Hot Toys MMS437 - Episode III ROTS Anakin Skywalker 1/6 Collectible Figure

[RIDDICK]

Nothing about it was sudden. Maybe you didn't watch those movies more than once, but most of the main story made perfect sense, even without the help of CW.

 

[sithocan]

4 or 5 times. Most recent one was a week ago. Do you know any source where I can get more in-depth analysis so I can be more content with it?

 

[Dr. Odd]

Two things that helped me appreciate the prequels more: Story and Star Wars podcast series, and Rebel Force Radio Film Commentary with Sam Witwer series

 

[sithocan]

I will look into them. Thanks.

 

[dragontron]

My issue with ROTS or any of the prequels was that name Vader. Up until Palpatine said “from hens forth you shall be named Vader” I had never thought of when “Vader” would come into play. It seems like a missed opportunity for emotional connection to just have the name “Vader” be the first thing to pops out of Palps head. WTF is a Vader?? What if in TPM or ATOC there was a planet, city or person called Vader. The destruction of “Vader" could have been the mark or “Point of no return” as a reminder to Anakin (now Vader) of why he choose the Dark side. Not “I pledge myself to you”!! For example he should have been called “Darth Windu"

The names of the Sith seem to have traits to their actions. Maul, his aggressiveness. Tyrannus, his elite class and leaving the Jedi to take up his noble heritage and blood line. Sidious, his INsidious actions and character. Vader, INvader. Destroys the Jedi from the inside-out.

 

[SilverStar17]

The names of the Sith seem to have traits to their actions. Maul, his aggressiveness. Tyrannus, his elite class and leaving the Jedi to take up his noble heritage and blood line. Sidious, his INsidious actions and character. Vader, INvader. Destroys the Jedi from the inside-out.

Interesting, never thought of it that way. Good observation.

 

[Cocoboloboy]

The names of the Sith seem to have traits to their actions. Maul, his aggressiveness. Tyrannus, his elite class and leaving the Jedi to take up his noble heritage and blood line. Sidious, his INsidious actions and character. Vader, INvader. Destroys the Jedi from the inside-out.

I noticed that about the names when Ep1 came out but I never could figure out what Vader's meant. INvader makes sense though.


Hey BOBA SHREK! What's a "hens forth" and what does a chicken have to do with Vader?

 

[darth toffeeman]

My issue with ROTS or any of the prequels was that name Vader. Up until Palpatine said “from hens forth you shall be named Vader” I had never thought of when “Vader” would come into play. It seems like a missed opportunity for emotional connection to just have the name “Vader” be the first thing to pops out of Palps head. WTF is a Vader?? What if in TPM or ATOC there was a planet, city or person called Vader. The destruction of “Vader" could have been the mark or “Point of no return” as a reminder to Anakin (now Vader) of why he choose the Dark side. Not “I pledge myself to you”!! For example he should have been called “Darth Windu"

Vader means father.

Darth Vader translates as 'Dark Father' which is appropriate for Anakins character and his fears of family loss is what drove him to the dark side. Mother/Padme.

 

[sithocan]

With that logic he should be called Rayer since he beTrayed Jedi Order. He never invaded Jedi Order, he was part of it right from beginning.

 

[MarFon]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

While Vader does mean "Father" in Dutch, the real origin of Darth Vader's name lies somewhere else.

 

[Choryujin]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

While Vader does mean "Father" in Dutch, the real origin of Darth Vader's name lies somewhere else.

Yeah. Kind of tired of this BS Darth Vader means Dark Father stuff. It's a huge myth. A quick google search comes up with a plethora of info to debunk it including the fact in early drafts the character was massively different but named the same and dies on the Death Star. Throw in the fact that Vader in Dutch is pronounced closer to the English word father.

 

[MarFon]

Re: Hot Toys Episode 3 Anakin

Yeah. Kind of tired of this BS Darth Vader means Dark Father stuff. It's a huge myth. A quick google search comes up with a plethora of info to debunk it including the fact in early drafts the character was massively different but named the same and dies on the Death Star. Throw in the fact that Vader in Dutch is pronounced closer to the English word father.

Exactly

 

[Prime Clone]

In-Sidious. In-Vader. I actually think they're genius names.

 

[SilverStar17]

 

[Prime Clone]

For RotS, most of them was good except that sudden transformation.

Here's the thing, contrary to what most people think, there isn't a "sudden" transformation.

Anakin sold his soul to the devil (Palpatine) to get what he wanted (saving Padme).

Each atrocity he commits after that is done unwillingly, but he feels he has no other choice. And each time he is drawn further into the darkness (as Yoda says, "Once you start down that dark path...") He still sheds a tear after slaughtering the Separatist leaders.

Padme's death is the final blow, and he surrenders to the darkness. But he remains conflicted, as his own son later proves.

(Interestingly, the new canon comics show him discovering he has a son, and realising that Padme survived Mustafar for at least a short while. He takes his rage at the Emperor and channels it toward plotting his eventual downfall.)

 

[sithocan]

From sudden transformation, I meant "quick" transformation. The time between first commitment to Sidious to becoming fully pledged is too short IMO to internalize the dark side.

BTW, those new comics seem to throw a fire to the roots of OT.

 

[jedijim3002]

In the movie I agree that his transformation seems sudden but if you read the novelization of ROTS it takes a lot longer than 20 minutes for Anakin to finally succumb to the dark side. It’s only after his initial nightmare, when Padme dies in childbirth, that he stops sleeping for five days straight so he can figure out a way to save her. Plus the fact that he is terrified of having that dream again. So he pours himself into research at the Jedi Archives to find a method but is unsuccessful. He then realizes that the restricted section is where he might find those answers but that it’s only for masters.

Palpatine has been whispering in his ear for 10 plus years so we know that influence has always been there. But when he appoints him to the Jedi council he gets a small glimmer of hope that he will become a master. Which quickly gets extinguished fueling his hatred for the Jedi.

So between 5 days of sleep depravation with constant study, and whispers from Palpatine he finally gets a bread crumb from him that he can save her but only if he defies the Jedi order. And we all k ow where that leads.

 

[Medusoid]

In the movie I agree that his transformation seems sudden but if you read the novelization of ROTS it takes a lot longer than 20 minutes for Anakin to finally succumb to the dark side. It’s only after his initial nightmare, when Padme dies in childbirth, that he stops sleeping for five days straight so he can figure out a way to save her. Plus the fact that he is terrified of having that dream again. So he pours himself into research at the Jedi Archives to find a method but is unsuccessful. He then realizes that the restricted section is where he might find those answers but that it’s only for masters.

Palpatine has been whispering in his ear for 10 plus years so we know that influence has always been there. But when he appoints him to the Jedi council he gets a small glimmer of hope that he will become a master. Which quickly gets extinguished fueling his hatred for the Jedi.

So between 5 days of sleep depravation with constant study, and whispers from Palpatine he finally gets a bread crumb from him that he can save her but only if he defies the Jedi order. And we all k ow where that leads.

Not to mention Shmi's horrific death, which I think was the catalyst to all this. His mother was one of the few positive influences in his life, and he lost her not once, but twice.

The night he had that vision about Padme, Anakin knew he would do whatever it took to keep her alive. Even if it meant betraying the Jedi Order and putting the entire galaxy at risk, that drive to protect her became his singular obsession. He didn't want to bear the pain of loss ever again.

 

[abake]

Here's the thing, contrary to what most people think, there isn't a "sudden" transformation.

Anakin sold his soul to the devil (Palpatine) to get what he wanted (saving Padme).

Each atrocity he commits after that is done unwillingly, but he feels he has no other choice. And each time he is drawn further into the darkness (as Yoda says, "Once you start down that dark path...") He still sheds a tear after slaughtering the Separatist leaders.

Padme's death is the final blow, and he surrenders to the darkness. But he remains conflicted, as his own son later proves.

(Interestingly, the new canon comics show him discovering he has a son, and realising that Padme survived Mustafar for at least a short while. He takes his rage at the Emperor and channels it toward plotting his eventual downfall.)

Agreed. Besides, we've been shown how insecure and unstable Anakin is from the very beginning. His emotions always overpower him, he's always letting his heart dictate his actions.
In Ep I he risks everything to help some strangers in Tatooine, later he risks his own life and disobeys orders because he wants to help.
In Ep. II his emotions again control his actions, as he uses Padmé to lure her assassins, then disregards to tenets of the Jedi Order to pursue his love for her, then he goes back to try to save his mother, and we all know how that ended up. Then he disobeys orders to try to save Obi Wan (he could've stopped Padmé, if he had wanted to), and again disobeys orders because of his rage at Dooku having put Padmé's and Obi Wan's life in danger.
And throughout Ep III we see him struggling with his loyalty to his friends (Obi Wan and Palpatine), his resentment with the Jedi Council and his love for Padmé.
There's nothing sudden about his turn to the dark side. He's been turning to the dark side since day one. Everybody sees it, and Obi Wan voices it clearly: "The boy is dangerous. They all sense it."

 

[Prime Clone]

In the movie I agree that his transformation seems sudden but if you read the novelization of ROTS it takes a lot longer than 20 minutes for Anakin to finally succumb to the dark side. It’s only after his initial nightmare, when Padme dies in childbirth, that he stops sleeping for five days straight so he can figure out a way to save her.

Not to mention Shmi's horrific death, which I think was the catalyst to all this. His mother was one of the few positive influences in his life, and he lost her not once, but twice.

There's nothing sudden about his turn to the dark side. He's been turning to the dark side since day one. Everybody sees it, and Obi Wan voices it clearly: "The boy is dangerous. They all sense it."

Good points all. Rian Johnson probably put it best when he said: "The PT is about how fear of loss can turn good people into fascists."

I also discovered this week that in the ROTS novelization Palps plants the seed in Anakin's head that Padme may be cheating on him with Obi-Wan. This was only hinted at in the movie.