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[TaliBane]

I think TaliBane's post is the best evidence yet for the use of deflected bolts -- I didn't even make it all the way down to his Klaatu example. So many examples of lightsaber deflecting bolts. Brilliant.

I would also say since 1983 that I assumed Luke intentionally deflected that bolt into that guy on the barge. Otherwise its just not cool. I wonder what the filmmakers say on this...?

You're skimming.

We are talking about TARGETED bouncing back of laser beams by a skilled Jedi. That's what Vader clearly does in RO.

DEFLECTED beams occur using lightsaber in the OT. But not TARGETED back at the shooter.

Even Luke in ROTJ (the same Luke who defeats Vader in battle just a day or so later) doesn't do targeted bounce-backs even when he's in critical need - like at the incoming speeder bike firing lasers at him, or on the skiff when he's facing a half dozen goons with firing laser pistols.

The Klaatu death is clearly meant to be a cool but freak thing - it occurs in a hail of laser bolts, and Luke never does it again even ONCE.

In RO, it's clearly meant to show Vader's mastery, yet Luke is arguably at the same level in ROTJ and never is CLEARLY shown to do it intentionally, i.e. proving its skill.

All I'm saying is if this was a Jedi skill seen in the OT, wouldn't the filmmakers make a big deal of it, not have it happen at the VERY END of the barge battle only ONCE in a THROWAWAY fashion (amidst a bunch of other stuff) and never to be seen again... before or after?

 

[TaliBane]

Not even really sure how the Greedo thing even came up (something about them not adding a bolt to the scene, inferring something for the ESB Vader scene.)

Han shoots Greedo at about Greedo's waist level from below tabletop level. That's why they didn't roto in a laser bolt - because its below the level of the film frame.

Costner's with me on this.

 

[Khev]

Ha, nice one on the JFK reference.

However from the very beginning Greedo slumped over with a smoking hole between his shoulder blades which could only occur if the blast was made at an upward angle, not waist level.

It does appear that Han's gun might have been in plain sight all along hence the slowwww unholstering and his successful attempt at misdirection by having his other hand play with the wall high and to the right while they were talking.

 

[TaliBane]

The Greedo thing really doesn't make a whole lot of sense - it's clearly filmed as if Han's pulling the blaster hidden by a tabletop, but there isn't one if you see the set.

What's clear is that Han doesn't raise the blaster above tabletop level, and shoots from a very low angle partly hidden by his leg and to some degree the table, and the blast hits Greedo at around waist height (not seen in shot due to the way its filmed) and because of the low-angle-pointed-upward of Han's hip shot, it then exits out Greedo's middle back.

Because the laser shot occurred below the film frame, they didn't roto a bolt in... so not really pertinent to the RO discussion.

 

[Khev]

So your final conclusion is that you're right and the movie itself is wrong? Okay...

And here I thought that you might actually concede a point.

 

[canofhumdingers]

Well this thread stopped being fun...

Rogue One Vader is cool and his fight scene is loads of fun. His fighting abilities on display feel consistent with the OT while also showing some cool new tricks and variations.

Hot Toys Rogue One Vader is an awesome action figure and I wish I had one...

 

[Khev]

Well this thread stopped being fun...

Rogue One Vader is cool and his fight scene is loads of fun. His fighting abilities on display feel consistent with the OT while also showing some cool new tricks and variations.

Hot Toys Rogue One Vader is an awesome action figure and I wish I had one...

Yep, agreed on all counts and though I missed out on the HT RO Vader figure the new two-pack with Tarkin looks like it will be more than sufficient.

 

[MClass]

Well this thread stopped being fun...

Yup.

 

[WesMordine]

My Goodness! Vader does DEFLECT blaster bolts with both hands!

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[TaliBane]

So your final conclusion is that you're right and the movie itself is wrong? Okay...

And here I thought that you might actually concede a point.

That's sounding like contributing to a toxic environment. Maybe there should be infractions for "not agreeing with me" or "disproving my Retcon"?

To conclude:

No laser bolts were roto'ed in the examples you cited (Greedo, 3PO) because of the angles they were filmed from.

Despite the filmmakers going to a LOT of trouble roto'ing FOUR distinct red laser bolts coming from Han's blaster in the ESB scene (in the space of just a second or two,) they didn't roto ANY bolts coming/bouncing back from Vader's hands. That's very, very conclusive. Actually, interpretations aside... it 100% proves it.

So... obviously their intention was NOT that Vader redirected the laser bolts (targeted or otherwise) as that Vader seen in RO does. The damage to the walls in ESB scene is from the massive sparks that explode outward more than ten feet from Vader's hands; that can be seen sparking/impacting onto the walls, window and chair (yes, they ARE there) - and creating the two small scorch marks on the walls.

And yes, in the OT redirecting a laser blast is seen, but ONLY using a lightsaber and the deflection outcome is RANDOM, not deliberately targeted (and not clearly presented as a Jedi skill) as is inferred in RO. In scenes like Luke being attacked by the Speeder Bike - where he presumably DOES have Vader-level skills - he does NOT bounce the laser bolts back at the bike to destroy it, only bouncing them into tree trunks.

Keep firing those red laser bolts - my retcon gloves can block as many as you got.

 

[SithThundercracker]

Well this thread stopped being fun...

Yup.

No guys, nerd discussions are the backbone of Star Wars, expecially when loaded with pics and references.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

So... how about that Hot Toys Rogue One Vader?

 

[EVILFACE]

Old News.

 

[jacerc130]

I wonder what the price of this will drop to on Evil bay once the ROTJ version is released LOL

 

[earthdog]

Glad I sold mine when I did.

 

[SilverStar17]

I wonder what the price of this will drop to on Evil bay once the ROTJ version is released LOL

Or even just the Tarkin-Vader two pack kitbashed version of ANH and R1 Vader parts.

 

[HTHero]

So, is this figure actually worth paying $100 over retail for it?

 

[zackg__]

Not really

 

[maximus_73]

The only thing I found it ridiculous was $120 for a pair of hands on Evil Bay, but more ridiculous was people purchased with that price.

 

[HTHero]

Ah well, guess I'll wait for the Tarkin/Vader set, unless anyone has a fair price for RO Vader here?