Iron Man 2 Discussion Thread

[The Mike]

Stark specific yes, BUT NOT IRON MAN SPECIFIC!!! Being Iron Man is as close as Tony gets to therapy. It allows him to step away from the nightmare that is Tony Stark & be some one else for a while......some one who the world loves for his peace making efforts. Iron Man helps to heal & redeem Tony. But when they had RDJ soil the image with cheap laughs...........well it was anything BUT funny or entertaining.

This isn't accurate. Stark and Iron Man are the same person. He truly believes that. Unlike Batman where there is a duality to the character, a Bruce Wayne persona and a Batman one; in Stark he honestly believes that Iron Man is a simple extension of his own self, the film tried to show that with the "high tech prostesis" comment and others that were intended to make the audience see that point of view. Iron Man isn't therapy but in fact just a visual interpretation of his ego. He does it for redemption in the first one but by the second is inflated with all of the praise the original roots are lost and we see a Tony dealing with his own personal demons and mortality while still having to be in the suit. Why do you think there are so many side reports about Iron Man "abandoning" America because Tony is dealing with his own crap and ignores a calling for heroics which shows his still self rooted and self centered personality. That is why the original "Demon in a Bottle" storyline worked so well because it was the question of "What would or could we do about superpowered being had a problem like Alcoholism?" We caught a brief glimpse of that here but nothing as flushed out and dramatic as the comics. We may still see it.

This post establishes that events during Incredible Hulk take place at the same time as this film.

Yes and No. It overlaps. The Culver University Incident which is the middle of the Hulk film occurs at the end of Iron Man 2 by the showing of screens. Which means that when Stark appears in front of Ross he is already accepting the "consultant" position offered by Fury that we saw him agreeing to with the caviat that Senator Stern give him a medal. I'm not sure what that poster believe he has to get together since he isn't actually on the team yet just telling Ross of the Avenger Initiative. Everything is fine as laid out in IM2. Especially because the time span that would actually still be occurring in The Incredible Hulk leading up to the bar scene had to be at least a couple of weeks if not maybe even three depending on the "Day/Night" scenes so this is plenty of time to get Tony up to speed with SHIELD and have him out doing his thing.

Its also to bad the chick who played Mysique in Xmen was not able to play Widow.

Oh God no. I'm so sick of Romijn and I thought she was horrible as Mystique. She would have been a horrid Widow. I think the original casting of Emily Blunt would have worked better but for as little as ScarJo was in it, she did acceptably.

 

[SUPREMEQUEEN]

No Mike my post is VERY accurate. what your doing is advocateing for the crap the movie is trying to sneak past the audiance. I'm well aware of what the movie was TRYING to do. But that attempt failed. Iron Man is INDEED the better part of Tony! The reason the movie jedi mind tricked you & so many others in to swallowing the "extention" drivel is cause todays writers & directors just don't have the talent to devlope a dynamic semi duel character like Tony Stark/Iron Man.

Now I will agree that this is not & should not be treated as a Batman/Bruce Wayne thing. Because your right. The two movies are very much different. But it still does not excues the cheaps laughs they reached for. & No....dont hold your breath for a "demon in the bottle" story line. I MEAN HELLO MCFLY.....why do you think they tried to pawn off the "blood toxic" crap as a lame substitute. All the soccar moms will have a cow if Iron Man is seen batteling alcoholizum.

Hmm, you know......its strange. Normally I effing hate Soccar moms & their endless *****ing about scaring their poorly raised brats. But this time I gotta side wth them. Seeing Iron Man boozing & eating doughnuts & pissing in his suit (even if it was a joke.....maybe), or getting in to a drunken fight & abuseing the Iron Man suit was all just........WEAK.

 

[Calcifer]

Shouldn't the Mark V suitcase be like mega heavy ..i know in the film its just a prop ..and this is a comic but universe but still..

 

[The Mike]

I'm not advocating anything. I liked Iron Man 2 but what I'm remarking about is Iron Man history plain and simple with nothing to do with the films, what I was pointing out is how the film, in its own way, tried to push forth the difference between Iron Man and his juxaposition of Batman which is usually done in the trades by showing off his vision of how he sees Iron Man and himself. The "extension" drivel as you say comes directly from the books themselves. Like the movie or not it doesn't change the history of the characters.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

No Mike my post is VERY accurate. what your doing is advocateing for the crap the movie is trying to sneak past the audiance. I'm well aware of what the movie was TRYING to do. But that attempt failed. Iron Man is INDEED the better part of Tony! The reason the movie jedi mind tricked you & so many others in to swallowing the "extention" drivel is cause todays writers & directors just don't have the talent to devlope a dynamic semi duel character like Tony Stark/Iron Man.

Now I will agree that this is not & should not be treated as a Batman/Bruce Wayne thing. Because your right. The two movies are very much different. But it still does not excues the cheaps laughs they reached for. & No....dont hold your breath for a "demon in the bottle" story line. I MEAN HELLO MCFLY.....why do you think they tried to pawn off the "blood toxic" crap as a lame substitute. All the soccar moms will have a cow if Iron Man is seen batteling alcoholizum.

Hmm, you know......its strange. Normally I effing hate Soccar moms & their endless b1tch.ing about scaring their poorly raised brats. But this time I gotta side wth them. Seeing Iron Man boozing & eating doughnuts & pissing in his suit (even if it was a joke.....maybe), or getting in to a drunken fight & abuseing the Iron Man suit was all just........WEAK.

tony stark didn't need a split personality to be iron man

my god, this forum needs a spell check program

 

[SUPREMEQUEEN]

Shouldn't the Mark V suitcase be like mega heavy ..i know in the film its just a prop ..and this is a comic but universe but still..

yeah we've all been grappleing with that & a few other plot holes. Here what I would have done instead of the big bulky (yet magicaly light weight suit case). Seeing as how Happy was gonna bring the Bently on the track ant how, I would have had the trunk lid open & fold completly away. Tony jumps up & stands in the trunk. Then the car'r rear end builds the suit on to him.

This is a very logical aproach & can be used in any number of situations. After all a man as rich as Tony would never be that far from an expensive automobile.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Shouldn't the Mark V suitcase be like mega heavy ..i know in the film its just a prop ..and this is a comic but universe but still..

I think the suff it's made out of is super durable & light weight at the same time

 

[The Mike]

The Comics in recent history dealt with the Iron Man suit much more understandably, with Tony shipping his own personal sports car in locked and bolted crates wherever he goes that cannot be opened by anyone unless its by him, Pepper or Happy. In the car of course is the Iron Man suit and the bots needed to put it together. The suitcase armor no matter how unplausable was just a nod to the Iron Man fans from the suitcase armor in the books, nothing more especially since it was on screen and destroyed within five minutes.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

The Comics in recent history dealt with the Iron Man suit much more understandably, with Tony shipping his own personal sports car in locked and bolted crates wherever he goes that cannot be opened by anyone unless its by him, Pepper or Happy. In the car of course is the Iron Man suit and the bots needed to put it together. The suitcase armor no matter how unplausable was just a nod to the Iron Man fans from the suitcase armor in the books, nothing more especially since it was on screen and destroyed within five minutes.

True story. How many times have you seen Iron Man 2 Mike?? Don't lie!!!

 

[SUPREMEQUEEN]

Ok one more time.......I NEVER SAID TONY HAS OR SHOULD HAVE A SPLIT PERSONALITY! its more of a mysterious bennifactor type thing with Iron Man. Tony doesn't feel like a different person when he dawns the suit.....the suit allows him to advance his own political agenda of world peace with out dragging the name of Stark Ent. in to the spot light. Fortune 500 companies have their hands in all sorts of NO NOs. Stark Ent was no different. After all Howard Stark was NO Thomas Wayne. Stark Sr. had no problem with dealing in shades of grey. Mind you he wasn't a double dealing prick like Obadia was in the 1st movie (BTW I love his chacter that is how acting should be done), But when Tony inheireted the Co. after Stark Sr. kick thw bucket, he didn't like how things were being done.

well you don't need me to spell out the whole history....so long story short Iron Man is the selfless avatar that allows Tony to advance his personal brand of right & wrong.

Hmmm, when you think about it like that, he's more like Robin of the Hood than Bats LOL.

 

[316what]

Rhodie being tought how to use the suit before you see him in it. If that was the case they would have shown it.

And as for Rhodie knowing how to use the suit, if you paid attention, it was mentioned that Tony had precautions in place to prevent unauthorized access to the suits. So clearly Rhodie had access and that could be infered that he had been familiarized with them as well.

Rhodes had absolutely nothing to do with it and it didn't make sense. It was one of those things that they hoped we'd over look.

There's somthing i dont get though.

Spoiler

How did rhodey know exactly how to pilot the mark 2 suit ?

Rhodey's ability to use the suit didn't need to be shown. He's been working with Tony for how long now? And working on an Iron Man report for the government. So it doesn't take a stretch here to see that he learned how to use one of the suits.

Every single thing doesn't have to be spelled out. And just because it's NOT spelled out, does not mean it is a plot hole.

 

[316what]

far as I'm conserned all this fan fair will wax cold in just a few months. then the true reviews will bubble to the surface.

And those true reviews in a few months won't mean Jack or Sheet. The $$ will have already be in the studio's pocket and Iron Man 3 greenlit.

 

[316what]

Iron Man 2: 4/10

I think they named the movie Iron Man 2 cuz it sucked twice as much balls than the first one.

What an epic let down.

Pros:
1. Graphics
2. Performances ( Mickey Rourkes character was kinda lame tho)
3. Last 15 minutes of the movie (minus bonus scene)

Cons:
1. The story had too much going on and it was way to chaotic
2. Whiplash was cheesey instead of intimidating
3. There where only about 3 action sequences in the whole f'n movie
4. The soundtrack was horrible
5. Cinematography was amateurish ( did anyone else notice that SW edit slide )
6. And the $2 prop that comes after the credits.


All in all.... I didn't like the first one and I definetly didn't like this one.

Jon Favre should stick to directing Couples Retreat 2 and leave Iron Man to the big dawgs... WhyTF does he always feel the need to act in his movies???

Ok, I'm just a little confused. If you didn't like the first one, then WhyTF would you spend money to go see the second one?

 

[LChinoz]

Just saw it. I almost fell asleep. Really disappointed in this one, as I loved the first Iron Man. I dunno, I feel like Iron Man was Marvel's legitimate film, and by making it a commercial for the Avaengers, they are kind of tainting it. I mean, I also like Thor and Cap America, but both those are much less plausible than Iron Man in terms of reality, which in a way takes away from Iron Man 2. I dunno, I could probably deal with an Avengers movie, but rather not have Marvel use what could have been a great series of films to promote it. I also had a problem with the abruptness of the action scenes. All in all it was a passable action film, but not much compared to the first one. 6/10.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

And those true reviews in a few months won't mean Jack or Sheet. The $$ will have already be in the studio's pocket and Iron Man 3 greenlit.

Absolutely true.

Ok, I'm just a little confused. If you didn't like the first one, then WhyTF would you spend money to go see the second one?

I don't get it either.

Sorry, Bam, but that's to me.

 

[LChinoz]

OMG I just saw this an agree with almost all of it:

https://thefilmstage.com/2010/05/10/10-reasons-why-iron-man-2-doesnt-work/

 

[SUPREMEQUEEN]

And those true reviews in a few months won't mean Jack or Sheet. The $$ will have already be in the studio's pocket and Iron Man 3 greenlit.

OH REEEEEAAALLLYYY!!!! So why, prey tell might I ask, is Michael Bay & Hasbro at each others throat? Why did Bay have a temper tantrum just days befor the release of ROTF stating he refuses to do the 3rd because all (im paraphraseing now but its still the same) all the big bad critics are picking on my movie *cry like baby* WHAAAAAA I going home & taking my toys with me LMAO!!

just cause fan fair has banked money dose not mean its a true success. & just cause its green lit for a triology dose not mean a great movie *coughs SM3*. & like I already said about poor Fantastic 4........we'll never see the 3rd installment.

which might just be for the best.

 

[Bullseye]

Isn't Rhodie a pilot? Wouldn't he have a greater grasp of flying than Tony had when he first took the MK2 for a test flight. I didn't see a problem with Rhodie knowing how to fly off the bat.

 

[Bullseye]

Ok, I'm just a little confused. If you didn't like the first one, then WhyTF would you spend money to go see the second one?

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[SUPREMEQUEEN]

OMG I just saw this an agree with almost all of it:

https://thefilmstage.com/2010/05/10/10-reasons-why-iron-man-2-doesnt-work/

WOW, & here I thaught I knew how to swing a wicked blade. This guy dose more than nail it.....HE COUNTER SINKS IT!!

nicely done indeed.