Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[Niltusk]

I posted this in the Iron Patriot thread, but part of me wonders if IP won't join the Avengers, get in trouble, and lead to Tony taking up the mantle of Iron Man again. I do feel like, in some way, Avengers 2 might involve Tony suiting up again after some time off. He'll have been working on Mark 43 or something post IM3. It'll be odd if he just walks in and is Iron Man again after the end of this movie.

I just wish wherever he shows up next he goes back to being Warmachine.
Apparently IronPatriot is a pacifist.

 

[CelticPredator]

It's not as complicated as you guys are making it.

Pepper had the virus. Tony got it out of her. He put a modified version into him, which allowed them to take the shrapnel out of his heart, and then probably took it out again.

The end.

 

[Deckard]

It's not as complicated as you guys are making it.

Pepper had the virus. Tony got it out of her. He put a modified version into him, which allowed them to take the shrapnel out of his heart, and then probably took it out again.

The end.

Except what you may not know since your a self proclaimed non comics fan is Extremis goes a bit differantly once it's in Tony's system and many are speculating he may still have it in him to power future armors.

 

[The Josh]

So because of this new, improved Extremis, Tony has real super powers now? I would've rather had them say a wizard removed the shrapnel from his chest.

Quoting this again. Here is the synopsis of the extremis armor.

After being critically injured during a battle with a nanotech-enhanced foe, Stark injected his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus to save his own life. This fused Stark's armor to his body, allowing him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. The Extremis enhancement has turned Stark into a cyborg, whereby the usage of his existing lockchip (a personal area networking implement implanted in his forearm) is directly integrated into his nervous system.

His new armor is no longer a bulky unit which houses its own AI "response server" and miscellaneous interfaces for neural control. Instead, it is more lightweight (constructed of a pliable crystalline material with a molecular structure that can collimate into super-hard planes upon the application of an electrical field) and less complex (as it interfaces directly to Stark's brain via the Extremis-modified cybernetic connections), and has much faster response time since it effectively functions like Stark's second skin.
He is also able to remotely connect to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers through the PAN interconnect (that is now thought-controlled). Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved.

Another major departure from the previous armors is expansion of repulsor technology. The "repulsor flight system" provides lift (something like anti-gravity) and positive flight control (pitch, roll and yaw), while the usual rocket boots provide the armor with thrust. The same repulsor technology allows the individual pieces of the armor to levitate and assemble themselves, by modulating what Stark referred to as "vectored Repulsor fields".

Furthermore, the Extremis process has endowed Stark with a 'healing factor' and possibly even enhanced physical abilities, as he was confident enough to challenge Logan/Wolverine to a fight (and even challenging to see who's capable of recovering faster from the other's attack). It was later stated that the Extremis enhancement speeds up a person's repair process and hence the body's cells died and regenerated at a faster rate. This effectively made Tony Stark immune to cancer and gave him his 'healing factor'.

In the Iron Man: The Inevitable storyline, it was shown that it's not only Tony Stark's body and the interfacing undersheath that has self-healing properties. Even the Iron Man armor has the ability to self-heal and self-repair, presumably through the use of nanotechnology. The armor is also able to store power throughout its structure, indicating that instead of having main batteries mounted around the waist as in the older Iron Man armors, the Extremis armor incorporates distributed and decentralized energy storage.

Note: Although Extremis for reasons of simplicity is referred to as "a virus", it is not. The Extremis process involved injecting several billion microscopic nanotubes, which act as information carriers, into the brain. The brain is then partly reprogrammed; the so-called "repair center," that part of the brain which maintains an "integrity map" of the body, is told that the body is wrong. The physical reaction is that the entire body regrows itself, remaking itself per the Extremis instructions. Extremis itself, the original information package, is not involved; neither are "nanobots."

After the entire Stark 'dataspine', the central data processing center which governed all, or at least the pertinent portion of Stark technology, was infected with a hyper-advanced, Skrull-developed computer virus during the "Secret Invasion" storyline, Tony lost the ability to use Extremis' interface functions and consequently the armor was rendered obsolete. For the 2008 "World's Most Wanted" storyline, Tony used older armors, such as the Heroes Return and Classic Red and Gold versions.

Bleeding Edge Armor

Bleeding Edge Armor


Iron Man in his Bleeding Edge armor. Cover art to Invincible Iron Man (volume 5) #25 (second printing, August 2010) by Salvador Larroca.
First Appearance: Iron Man (vol. 5) #25 (June 2010)
In Invincible Iron Man #25 (2010), Tony creates a new armor in the aftermath of the "Stark: Disassembled" storyline.[18] Created by writer Matt Fraction and artist Ryan Meinerding, this new armor is sleeker in appearance, and is featured in the 2010 crossover storyline, the "Heroic Age".

When asked if the Bleeding Edge is an upgrade to Extremis, Tony Stark comments, "Nah - this is what comes next." As such the new armor is a part of Tony Stark's now-posthuman biology - it is stored inside Tony's body in its entirety, "manifesting" itself when mentally commanded.
The neurokinetic user-controlled morphologic nanoparticle bundles that form the suit reside in Stark's body, and form a fibrous wetweb of iron and platinum, that can be commanded to form any type of structure upon Stark's skin, such as large boxing gloves, or weapons, including large guns extending from his arms or a lightsaber-like energy sword with which Iron Man was actually able to harm one of the Worthy during the 2011 "Fear Itself" storyline.The nano-machines can even mimic the appearance of clothes, and then dissociate to transform into the Iron Man armor whenever Stark wishes.The suit adds less than twenty-five pounds to Stark's body mass, and can stop a howitzer shell.

The armor and Stark's own transhuman body are powered by the high-yield arc reactor mounted in his chest.The high output of the arc reactor has greatly augmented Stark's intelligence and provided him superhuman-level multitasking and learning capabilities. Unlike earlier armors, this new armor does not appear to rely on motors and servos for motion. Instead, the nano-machines create a secondary artificial musculature over Stark's body, upon which additional rigid structures are assembled. This also enables the armor to self-repair and be almost invulnerable, as the armor is capable of transforming and healing itself as long as the power output from the arc reactor is not interrupted or terminated; when the armor was briefly apparently destroyed in a fight with an alternate version of the Scarlet Witch who was one of Apocalypse's Horsemen, it was restored to normal after only a matter of seconds (although it was still out of action long enough for Stark to need rescuing by Spider-Man to stop himself hitting the ground as he fell).Doctor Octopus is also able to disable the armor using technology derived from the armor of Iron Man 2020.

The suit's repulsors, which are located around the knuckles, chest, back and legs of the armor, as well as in the traditional palms, now function also as cameras, or "eyeballs", which afford Stark a 360-degree panoramic view around himself. Temporarily replacing the suit's primary composite - iron/platinum - with carbon nanotubes rendered it unaffectable by Magneto's powers when he and Iron Man engaged in combat over Utopia.

After Tony decides to retire as Iron Man, he undergoes a surgical procedure that expels the Bleeding Edge technology out of his body, rendering the armor inert.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ If it's not explained in the films, it does not matter. No really. It doesn't. None of the comic stuff needs to be applied to the films.

What's in the films is all that matters in regards to the films.

 

[Deckard]

But it wasn't explained that's the point, you just said it yourself. They didn't say he took it out, so it maybe back in 4 or Avengers 2 which are films. None? Not even IroN Man right? Extremis was comic stuff.

 

[CelticPredator]

Well, i'll let you edit that sentence before someone else tries to dissect that in a nasty way.

But, i'm pretty sure they did explain that. I'll have to see it again. But I don't think he kept it.

 

[Deckard]

Nah I was just adding that Extremis was "comic stuff". As are most plots being put into these Superhero movies. I get not reading them, but I think it's a bit silly to dismiss that it's where all the movies you're enjoying are coming from, Shane Black and Sam Raimi aren't the ones creating this stuff.

 

[jye4ever]

Tony Stark being a cocky *******? So out of character.

Hey, he's the one whining to pepper and a little kid that he's all whimped up now, not me.

 

[CelticPredator]

Nah I was just adding that Extremis was "comic stuff". As are most plots being put into these Superhero movies. I get not reading them, but I think it's a bit silly to dismiss that it's where all the movies you're enjoying are coming from, Shane Black and Sam Raimi aren't the ones creating this stuff.

I'm not dismissing. But they don't matter here. Because they aren't the comic books. They are adaptations. Period. They will always take liberties. For whatever reason. And I think it's silly trying to fill in holes with things that were never mentioned in the film, that were mentioned in the comic.

Whenever that Deadpool movie rolls around, i'll say the same thing. Despite reading all those books and actually knowing that world.

Take the core. Leave the rest.

 

[CelticPredator]

Hey, he's the one whining to pepper and a little kid that he's all whimped up now, not me.

Because he's a cocky arrogant ******* who has compensation problems.

Thor's hammer is a weapon that destroys anything he created.

 

[jye4ever]

Because he's a cocky arrogant ******* who has compensation problems.

Thor's hammer is a weapon that destroys anything he created.

I'm not going to argue against you.

I'll lose.

**** dat.

Movie was ****ing great, the end.

 

[CelticPredator]

It doesn't bother me if you liked the movie or did not. I'm just enjoying this thread for the same reason I enjoyed the TDKR thread. It's almost 90% fanboy backlash, and very little "As a film...." almost all the problems seem to stem from not being comic accurate, to not making a comic villain a super hardcore villain.

So it's kinda fun.

 

[Deckard]

I'm not dismissing. But they don't matter here. Because they aren't the comic books. They are adaptations. Period. They will always take liberties. For whatever reason. And I think it's silly trying to fill in holes with things that were never mentioned in the film, that were mentioned in the comic.

Whenever that Deadpool movie rolls around, i'll say the same thing. Despite reading all those books and actually knowing that world.

Take the core. Leave the rest.

I get what you're saying but it's also incredibly contradictory. If they are going to draw from a comic story which they did and do with every comic movie, Spiderman, Batman Begins, TdK and TDKR all combined various comic stories, than it's obvious the reasoning behind that is a scriptwriter was inspired by it. The comics are the reason you're getting these movies period, because the comics have and have had the draw they do. It's why movies like SM3 or Wolverine Origins that try to completely do their own thing with existing comic characters fail and are rejected.(current Deadpool, Venom) It's also why no studio is rushing out to do an Archie movie. He's not relevant anymore in the world of comics.

So again I get that changes need to be made to keep it fresh and new, but what I'm saying to you is, you can go too far and so far the most embraced have been based heavily on fan favorite comic stories.

Shane Black read and very much understands the Extremis comic and a ton of that went into his script. So it's not at all unrealistic to assume that we could still see side effects of something unexplained like that in a future film since those writers are going to be reading and rewriting those same stories. We aren't talking about a change like Mandarin, that's taking a liberty, here, it's just a possibility that something else very influential from the comics could play out in the future like saying someday we may see The Death of Superman on screen.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I am just a little surprised how people could love this movie after seeing all the better movies marvel has made. This is the worst one so far yet people say its so great. It just seems that people who really like this movie are giving it the benefit of the doubt because of the movies that came before it and/or are part of this universe. In fact all marvel movies get this benefit even in critic reviews because its not easy to tie all these different movies together. They get brownie points for difficulty kind of like an Olympic diver regardless of how good the film is. A lot of people did not like IM2 or captain america but check out the reviews on RT. They will always be squed because of the scope of the undertaking and their association to a larger universe; the largest ever attempted in hollywood, not on the merits of the individual films. Its like the sum is greater then its parts!!!

For the record, I liked captain america and thought IM2 was pretty good. I just didn't like IM3 for ignoring continuity and breaking rules already established in the films before it and what we knew about ironman, his armor how it was powered and how durable it was.

 

[The Josh]

I'm surprised that your surprised.

 

[jye4ever]

It doesn't bother me if you liked the movie or did not. I'm just enjoying this thread for the same reason I enjoyed the TDKR thread. It's almost 90% fanboy backlash, and very little "As a film...." almost all the problems seem to stem from not being comic accurate, to not making a comic villain a super hardcore villain.

So it's kinda fun.

I'm joking, I love the movie threads.

 

[Niltusk]

To a point you have to read comics into play a little, not that it always helps. Brandt had Extremis, Brandt still had her facial scars... it grows back limbs, etc... but didn't remove those scars. To me thats a nod that Extremis doesn't have a very effective defense against magic. Or maybe Black just put it in for giggles.

 

[IrishJedi]

I just saw MUD, starring Matthew McConaughey.

Now I can't take IM3 or this thread even remotely seriously.

 

[jye4ever]

I just saw MUD, starring Matthew McConaughey.

Now I can't take IM3 or this thread even remotely seriously.

I just saw DUM, aka IM3.