Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[FQRizzo]

Although I don't agree with you, they didn't leave it where he couldn't return as Mandarin either, lame or not if it happens.

They could have at least had Ben do this at the end of the movie to leave it open for a real Mandarin:

 

[crows]

They could have at least had Ben do this at the end of the movie to leave it open for a real Mandarin:

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[jye4ever]

Killian's "I'm Mandarin" statement was 100% accurate, he was the person behind the criminal enterprise he was running out of his Miami studio that had a fake criminal known as the Mandarin being the public face for it.

So Killian told the truth.

Killian reminded me of Miami Vice.

 

[Bardoon]

Killian's "I'm Mandarin" statement was 100% accurate, he was the person behind the criminal enterprise he was running out of his Miami studio that had a fake criminal known as the Mandarin being the public face for it.

So Killian told the truth.

I read somewhere too that the reason they gave him the dragon tattoos on his chest were to emphasize he was the "real" Mandarin.

The more I thought about it, the more I like the spin of Killian. He is essentially an evil Tony Stark. Not a goofy and bumbling version like Sam Rockwell's Justin Hammer (who was hilarious and did a fantastic job in IM2), but a creative genius who isn't above stretching his morals to get his way. He is a great foil for the "selfish billionaire playboy turned selfish billionaire superhero".

The young and nerdy Killian we saw approach a young Stark essentially turned himself INTO that Stark after the episode on New Year's Day. The only difference was that he was not hesitant to stretching morals to get there.

 

[jye4ever]

I read somewhere too that the reason they gave him the dragon tattoos on his chest were to emphasize he was the "real" Mandarin.

The more I thought about it, the more I like the spin of Killian. He is essentially an evil Tony Stark. Not a goofy and bumbling version like Sam Rockwell's Justin Hammer (who was hilarious and did a fantastic job in IM2), but a creative genius who isn't above stretching his morals to get his way. He is a great foil for the "selfish billionaire playboy turned selfish billionaire superhero".

The young and nerdy Killian we saw approach a young Stark essentially turned himself INTO that Stark after the episode on New Year's Day. The only difference was that he was not hesitant to stretching morals to get there.

Just to clarify my statement, I think he's NOT the real Mandarin.

He said to Stark out of anger, look, you wanted what you thought was the Mandarin (Trevor), well here I am, I'm the person running this criminal enterprise that you so much want to destroy.

In other words, he's the person behind the created Mandarin charade, the brains behind the entire concept.

Not that he's really the Mandarin.

I do agree with how you broke down the differences between Hammer and Killian.

Btw, evertime I see Killian's beer I think of IM3.

 

[Niltusk]

Oh...the irony of some of the gifs circulating...

 

[lerath666]

Ok.. That's.... Kinda awesome on several levels.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I finally got around to seeing this last weekend, and I really enjoyed it. I didn't feel as awe-struck as I did when seeing the first, but it was much more enjoyable, for me, than the second.

The suits stole the show for me. That last showdown scene with all of the suits in flight was the best in the trilogy, IMO.

The biggest letdown for me was Mandarin. I thought the twist was clever, but you don't do that to a character like Mandarin, THE Iron-Man villain of all villains. That's like WB making Zod (in the upcoming MoS) a fake Kryptonian who was nothing more than a guy on steroids with a jet pack, revealing it was Luthor who hired some random guy off of the streets to wreak havoc. I just didn't care for that aspect of it, especially with a character of that caliber. What I think would have been neat is if they left a cliffhanger at the end (say a better end-credits scene), showing Kingsley in a cell, putting on a pair of rings, blowing a wall through the cell, with a smirk on his face. So it turns out he was playing everyone, just to gauge the situation and test out Stark's abilities, etc. etc.

All-in-all, a great movie though. I liked Killian as the villain. I really like the armor upgrades. And surprisingly, I liked seeing Tony's struggle and getting more personal with Tony, rather than having more scenes with the suit. I thought Downey gave us another 'home-run.'

 

[IrishJedi]

you don't do that to a character like Mandarin, THE Iron-Man villain of all villains. That's like WB making Zod (in the upcoming MoS) a fake Kryptonian who was nothing more than a guy on steroids with a jet pack, revealing it was Ross Webster who hired some random guy off of the streets to wreak havoc.

Fixed your analogy. Luthor is an immeasurably bigger character than Killian.

 

[guyverfan]

Just to clarify my statement, I think he's NOT the real Mandarin.

He said to Stark out of anger, look, you wanted what you thought was the Mandarin (Trevor), well here I am, I'm the person running this criminal enterprise that you so much want to destroy.

In other words, he's the person behind the created Mandarin charade, the brains behind the entire concept.

Not that he's really the Mandarin.

I do agree with how you broke down the differences between Hammer and Killian.

Btw, evertime I see Killian's beer I think of IM3.

I haven't seen this since opening night so I'm probably wrong but during the final battle didn't Killian actually tell Tony that he was the real Mandarin?

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Yes.

Sheldon also said he was Batman.

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

Oh...the irony of some of the gifs circulating...

now ! that is the real mandarin !
BEN is a FAKE !!

 

[Gates70]

It was a goofball effect that seemed more at home in a cheesy Ghost Rider movie than the tech-based believability that Favreau had carefully established.

IM3 was just cheesy in general.
Killian-as-Smaug just neatly summarizes the point.

You summed it up for me. I thought I was watching Superman IV with Nuclear Man for a while.

 

[CelticPredator]

And all that tech based reality went to **** the moment an Alien popped up on screen.

Plus, isn't that Extremis crap in the comics? Don't you want that? Comic stuff?

 

[Biojex]

Why is fire beathing bad, but shooting lightning out of a hammer is okay.

You people and your things.

 

[The Josh]

Why is fire beathing bad, but shooting lightning out of a hammer is okay.

You people and you're things.

That's was kind of the point I was saying earlier (others said it as well). In a Universe that now has all the things we've seen on screen including things in Iron Man 1 I can't get upset by the movie extremis allowing him to shoot fire out of his mouth.

 

[JonWes]

Yeah, and somewhere I made the point that we'd already accepted humans generating a ton of heat (Johnny Storm in FF) and extreme healing (Wolverine) in the Marvel movie-verse. So not sure why Extremis seems so out there.

 

[Biojex]

I think it's just the fire breathing that people don't like

Picky picky.

 

[mojo customz]

i have not yet seen this popcorn flick but feel i already do not like it-------------------------------

 

[JonWes]

I think it's just the fire breathing that people don't like

Picky picky.

I'd explained that too! But it got lost in some back and forth. Basically, if you can tap into and rewrite the generic code, then there's no reason you can't write yourself up a heat-generating organ, an air intake/forced exhalation organ behind it, and then just insta-heal your throat after you fire. Could be painful, but it'd be easy to rewrite your pain center to ignore any pain generated by that.

It's all gobbledygook, but perfectly within the rules of the universe that was created.