Statue Iron Patriot Quarter Scale Maquette by Sideshow Collectibles

[MagnumOpus]

JAWS,
I tell you why XM (for now) is not greedy! Cause they are not making 1/6th figures. Also they are not producing art prints. And they don't have thousand licenses! They have chance to take but they don't choose to it! Also do you know they are participating their knowledge with other companies but SS doesn't want to! Don't you think it's odd and interesting! Cause SS and XM are using same factories but XM's owners are lecturing the factory workers about how do they have to paint! They're friendly, really They interact with their consumers through their facebook page which is cool But you are right about XM's exclusiveness. But SS never sees themselves middle class! Am I right? 500$ for Vader pf which is not 1/4 in fact and without any led options does not sound middle class to me I am no enemy Jaws! I am not on anybodies side cause I am a consumer and I love this hobby I just want to get what I paid! Every prototype of Sideshow looks awesome cause they are working with top artists like Canale, Cipriano, Newman. Sadly the problem is the end product never reaches at the standard of the proto! Also they could change the infos about their products after taking pre-orders which is not ethic! They did it with MOS & Reeve's Superman, you know And I don't see any example of this from not only XM but other companies! So please be objective and tell me who is greedy?

 

[sexy1575]

I would just like to know why they never address what is happening to anyone with their QC issues? If they make mistakes, so be it. But be honest and let us know what is happening and whether they are fixing it. if they at least released blogs now and then updating us on things, they would have a lot less heat. Unless I miss where they do this?

 

[savageHULK]

I would just like to know why they never address what is happening to anyone with their QC issues? If they make mistakes, so be it. But be honest and let us know what is happening and whether they are fixing it. if they at least released blogs now and then updating us on things, they would have a lot less heat. Unless I miss where they do this?

Understandable.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

In all honesty people need to stop comparing SSC and XM to each other...

Comparisons are fine, but in this thread at this moment Spidey brought up XM to deflect the heat off Sideshow for this Iron patriot disaster.

They don't retail at $900 btw, closer to 650-700 US $.

 

[Asdf]

Safe to avoid IM SS po from now on ahahaha... Just wait for in hand. IF it turns out liek this, most likely you can pick it up for easilly $100 off retail price from another member down the road.

 

[savageHULK]

Figured I'd post it here with the recent plague. How does everyone go about inspecting their statues for damages/flaws?

 

[keewan]

Comparisons are fine, but in this thread at this moment Spidey brought up XM to deflect the heat off Sideshow for this Iron patriot disaster.

They don't retail at $900 btw, closer to 650-700 US $.

Those people need to have ordered any to know that. My Magneto was $740 USD shipped to USA, all my XM statues are under $800 shipped except one; only one I had to pay over $800 USD shipped was Hulk due to shipping. The next one that would cost me over $800 USD shipped is Phoenix.

 

[Spidey976]

Comparisons are fine, but in this thread at this moment Spidey brought up XM to deflect the heat off Sideshow for this Iron patriot disaster.

They don't retail at $900 btw, closer to 650-700 US $.

Ummmm no. I brought up XM because they deliver superior paint apps and QC when compared to SSC as a general rule, and that is why people are willing to pay the bigger bucks to get them. Other than the lower ESs on their pieces, which unless SSC lays off half of its staff or more isn't going to happen, the biggest difference in the process between SSC and XM is the final QC and paint check done by the XM guys just before they ship the pieces out. If the guys find a paint problem they fix it right then and there before they send it out. If you had a group of painters in the US doing the same thing for SSC products then **** shows like the Iron Patriot would be less likely because in the end when people complained about a craptastic paint app then there would be some well paid artist directly responsible on US soil who could get their pay docked or get their walking papers IF the job didn't get done right.... Not some nameless faceless Chinesee lady who can barely afford to eat and doesn't give a ****.

This piece is one of the examples that we all know exist, where SSC got it completely wrong. Personally I still think SpiderWoman is the worst, but that doesn't mean this one isn't bad. I am suggesting a constructive way that things could be improved. Unlike some who just like to snipe from the sidelines.

 

[csi]

Honestly, I was just spit baling an idea guys. Again I simply pont out that guys are willing to pay $800 for your averag PF from XM, and the major difference is the last minute touch ups by a master painter. That is $350 more than the new Joker PF. The fact is that would also put someone on US soil directly responsible for the final quality assurance. Their ass would be on the line so to speak. nd it might get them to lean on the factories more so they weren't correcting a million mistakes. Which could help overall QC... Again just looking for a possible constructive idea, rather than the usual bitching and moaning.

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its not constructive to find ways to increase to price of the already overpriced statues sideshow sells.

 

[csi]

JAWS,
I tell you why XM (for now) is not greedy! Cause they are not making 1/6th figures. Also they are not producing art prints. And they don't have thousand licenses! They have chance to take but they don't choose to it! Also do you know they are participating their knowledge with other companies but SS doesn't want to! Don't you think it's odd and interesting! Cause SS and XM are using same factories but XM's owners are lecturing the factory workers about how do they have to paint! They're friendly, really They interact with their consumers through their facebook page which is cool But you are right about XM's exclusiveness. But SS never sees themselves middle class! Am I right? 500$ for Vader pf which is not 1/4 in fact and without any led options does not sound middle class to me I am no enemy Jaws! I am not on anybodies side cause I am a consumer and I love this hobby I just want to get what I paid! Every prototype of Sideshow looks awesome cause they are working with top artists like Canale, Cipriano, Newman. Sadly the problem is the end product never reaches at the standard of the proto! Also they could change the infos about their products after taking pre-orders which is not ethic! They did it with MOS & Reeve's Superman, you know And I don't see any example of this from not only XM but other companies! So please be objective and tell me who is greedy?

Curious how much of this you have facts to back up and how much is speculation? And when did it become "greedy" for a company to make multiple product lines in an effort to grow its business?

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Let's take these 1 at a time:

"Other than the lower ESs on their pieces....the biggest difference in the process between SSC and XM is the final QC and paint check done by the XM "

Wrong. You want to know what the biggest difference between XM & SSC is? Xm hasn't completely abandoned it's direction, principles, and everything they stand for that put them on the map to begin with.

Here's an article from 2007 to refresh your memory: T.O. company makes high-end collectibles - VC-Star

Here's a few important quotes from that article describing Sideshow as a company:

"Ninety-five percent of what we do are low-run, limited editions"
"If it is determined a particular figure should be an edition size of 1,000, only 1,000 numbers will be produced."
"We're comfortable with that process, because we're looking to increase the value of these products through their scarcity"
"Sideshow is a company that is very disciplined about not overproducing the products that it makes, nor expanding the edition size to a point of saturation"
"It's the first company that I found that actually treats their customers like they mean something"

Knock, knock. Who's there? Irony.

"I am suggesting a constructive way that things could be improved."

You haven't suggested anything that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum for half a decade with the exception of one thing: your idea to actually charge Sideshow customers $50 more to "ensure" a better product. F-ing brillaint.

Like I stated, you add nothing constructive. Your horrid idea to charge people more for this appalling QC is destructive. You've been told this on not one but two forums in the collecting community, yet it still isn't sinking in.

"Unlike some who just like to snipe from the sidelines."

Who's on the sidelines? Anyone posting here has the balls to voice their opinion center stage bub. But hey, at least you've accomplished your passive aggressive quota this go around. Good work.

Here's where you post "this is why I don't come around here much anymore" & "this is why designers don't post here anymore" schtick, and we'll see you in 5 minutes.

 

[Spidey976]

its not constructive to find ways to increase to price of the already overpriced statues sideshow sells.

I get where you are coming from CSI I really do. Again I am just throwing out ideas. Ideally there would be someone at the factories doing this work, and I think there are in some of them. Just not all of them. So yeah maybe a factory overhaul is the way to go. Track where these bad pieces are coming from and then do a house cleaning ... Or maybe a better training session.

Let's take these 1 at a time:



Wrong. You want to know what the biggest difference between XM & SSC is? Xm hasn't completely abandoned it's direction, principles, and everything they stand for that put them on the map to begin with.

Here's an article from 2007 to refresh your memory: T.O. company makes high-end collectibles - VC-Star

Here's a few important quotes from that article describing Sideshow as a company:

"Ninety-five percent of what we do are low-run, limited editions"
"If it is determined a particular figure should be an edition size of 1,000, only 1,000 numbers will be produced."
"We're comfortable with that process, because we're looking to increase the value of these products through their scarcity"
"Sideshow is a company that is very disciplined about not overproducing the products that it makes, nor expanding the edition size to a point of saturation"
"It's the first company that I found that actually treats their customers like they mean something"

Knock, knock. Who's there? Irony.




You haven't suggested anything that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum for half a decade with the exception of one thing: your idea to actually charge Sideshow customers $50 more to "ensure" a better product. F-ing brillaint.

Like I stated, you add nothing constructive. Your horrid idea to charge people more for this appalling QC is destructive. You've been told this on not one but two forums in the collecting community, yet it still isn't sinking in.



Who's on the sidelines? Anyone posting here has the balls to voice their opinion center stage bub. But hey, at least you've accomplished your passive aggressive quota this go around. Good work.

Here's where you post "this is why I don't come around here much anymore" & "this is why designers don't post here anymore" schtick, and we'll see you in 5 minutes.

Deflect much??? You didn't even address the fact that I was answering your original snipe at me... Pot meet kettle.

As for everything that you brought up. That was all when SSC was smaller with fewer product lines and smaller ESs. Those days are gone because, when the demand for SSC products got higher they made more of them and hired a bigger workforce to get it done. You can't get back to that without laying people off. You want a giant of a company to get smaller, not going to happen, and they now have a huge beurcracey in place that could sure use some retraining. The fact is you can't turn back the clock, but you can look at ways to improve. Again my idea is just one way that you could add extra accountability and at the same time give some American artists a job, and maybe a factory overhaul is in order, but the solution isn't turning back the clock to a smaller company because that isn't going to happen.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

I get where you are coming from CSI I really do. Again I am just throwing out ideas. Ideally there would be someone at the factories doing this work, and I think there are in some of them. Just not all of them. So yeah maybe a factory overhaul is the way to go. Track where these bad pieces are coming from and then do a house cleaning ... Or maybe a better training session.




Deflect much??? You didn't even address the fact that I was answering your original snipe at me... Pot meet kettle.

As for everything that you brought up. That was all when SSC was smaller with fewer product lines and smaller ESs. Those days are gone because, when the demand for SSC products got higher they made more of them and hired a bigger workforce to get it done. You can't get back to that without laying people off. You want a giant of a company to get smaller, not going to happen, and they now have a huge beurcracey in place that could sure use some retraining. The fact is you can't turn back the clock, but you can look at ways to improve. Again my idea is just one way that you could add extra accountability and at the same time give some American artists a job, and maybe a factory overhaul is in order, but the solution isn't turning back the clock to a smaller company because that isn't going to happen.

So it's clear you don't know what 'deflect' or 'snipe' means. Moving along.

Where did I state "I want Sideshow to get smaller"? If you're going to resort to making things up then don't bother replying anymore.

I posted that article and those quotes to illustrate the biggest differences between XM & SSC, and it isn't due to a little touch up paint before an end product gets sent out like you've alluded to.

Here's a quote from an SF member that hits the nail on the head with respect to Sideshow QC which is what this Iron Patriot thread should be about:

"As you know, collectors are concerned. Any time your customers cancel p.o's with you (in droves) and completely inconvenience themselves by paying almost 3 times the price from another company, in a far away land, and in some cases with so much risk involved with complete strangers, that's an emergency situation for you that warrants a wake up call. Come on guys!..And all this silence isn't helping either. Its like your conveying denial. Im not saying respond to every complaint...it would not be wise to put out every small fire..But you hear collectors say the same thing over and over.. QC, QC, QC...you guys could at least lay the hammer down and say enough is enough...Come up with a plan of action and publically announce an initiative on how you intend to do better on QC. After all, judging by the DC line, you are capable. And some would say its lazy and cheap to not exercise the same consistency on all lines. For you to remain silent on this will not make it go away. You cant just brave the storm because you have most of the cards. This is a small niche industry and its just a matter of time before your bottom line is effected. I want to see you guys be great across the board. Consider it is not my intention to bash. I was blunt, but constructive."

 

[RobertoBagg10]

Here's a quote from an SF member that hits the nail on the head with respect to Sideshow QC which is what this Iron Patriot thread should be about:

"As you know, collectors are concerned. Any time your customers cancel p.o's with you (in droves) and completely inconvenience themselves by paying almost 3 times the price from another company, in a far away land, and in some cases with so much risk involved with complete strangers, that's an emergency situation for you that warrants a wake up call. Come on guys!..And all this silence isn't helping either. Its like your conveying denial. Im not saying respond to every complaint...it would not be wise to put out every small fire..But you hear collectors say the same thing over and over.. QC, QC, QC...you guys could at least lay the hammer down and say enough is enough...Come up with a plan of action and publically announce an initiative on how you intend to do better on QC. After all, judging by the DC line, you are capable. And some would say its lazy and cheap to not exercise the same consistency on all lines. For you to remain silent on this will not make it go away. You cant just brave the storm because you have most of the cards. This is a small niche industry and its just a matter of time before your bottom line is effected. I want to see you guys be great across the board. Consider it is not my intention to bash. I was blunt, but constructive."

I love that quote! but you know that once Sideshow recieve it, the reply you'll get is this....

We are sorry to hear you are not happy with your product. However, due to the fact that your item is not damaged (just atrociously painted) we are happy to offer you a $45 refund credited to your Sideshow account for you to use on your next future order, alternatively we can offer you a partial refund of $35 paid directly to your bank account



P.S. Dear mods, the above comment is all tongue in cheek as I love Sideshow very much

 

[Collectorcol]

I would just like to know why they never address what is happening to anyone with their QC issues? If they make mistakes, so be it. But be honest and let us know what is happening and whether they are fixing it. if they at least released blogs now and then updating us on things, they would have a lot less heat. Unless I miss where they do this?

They do have a Blog on their site.
Recently they have shown production pieces a couple of weeks before they ship.
Snake Plissken, BD T-800, MK42 Bust, IP Maquette...

All these looked bad on the Blog. The problem is if you don't like how the production piece looks and cancel you will lose your deposit.
SS should offer a full refund when the production piece significantly fails to reflect the proto.

Sideshows new motto should be 'Wait for inhand pictures'.

 

[-jay-]

P.S. Dear mods, the above comment is all tongue in cheek as I love Sideshow very much

Lies! Ban him.

 

[RobertoBagg10]

Lies! Ban him.

i especially love Mark aka Darth Snoopy and Adopted Scot aka Shell

i also love Ink but thats purely plutonic

On a serious note lol i just put some pics up on Instagram of my IP will get a review done shortly

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I don't care if you like me or not

 

[RobertoBagg10]

I love you Robertobagg10...more than you will ever know my good friend

Thanks Ink means alot buddy

 

[-jay-]

Thanks Ink means alot buddy

Ink thinks you're irrelevant