Its time for the next Joe!

[Jester]

Jester is definitely the 1%

Alright, that's what, the third time someone's referenced percentages like that? Is this some strange new Americanism that this poor Canuck is unacquainted with?

Shipwreck would sell just as good,if not better than every other Joe that has been made in this line..

Based on what, exactly?

I am not a Huge Shipwreck fan,but he was in my '85 collection and he was pretty important

Oh, he was important to me, too. Keel-Haul had to have someone to boss around on the Flagg, after all.

I think the only pilot suit that would really match up with Ace is something like the U2/SR-71/Space Shuttle pressure suit but in white. The suit from the Red Bull Stratos freefall jump would be perfect for Ace (this is without the stupid Red Bull advertisement thrown all over it):

That to me is what Ace should look like.

Given the prices the BBI U2 pilot seems to command these days, that's probably not a bad idea.

I agree that's one of the most requested pilot helmets in 1/6 scale and that the HGU 55 has been done to death. But it doesn't look like Ace to me. It'd be great if SSC could do that for another pilot figure though.

I'm more partial to the Battle Copter/Battle Corps version, the original being before my time.

If Sideshow does any pilots,The 1st one I want to see is Wild Bill..

I think that's a good idea. He'd be a bit more "grounded" in a sense, and not so much of an abrupt break from the previous Joes, and something makes me think his hat would look awesome in 1/6th.

 

[thenammagazine]

Clearly, you're completely attached to the character if you think he's interesting.

Because I actually know what character I'm talking about.

Not really. Hasbro doesn't produce multiple Shipwreck figures every year, but Storm Shadow is another story entirely (to say nothing of Snake Eyes).

You missed the entire point. I didn't say he was as popular. I said his outfit was as KEY TO THE CHARACTER as the ninja garb is to Storm Shadow. Saying he shouldn't be wearing the sailor garb is like saying Storm Shadow should be released in street clothes. Get it now?

I realise that the dynamic isn't quite the same in the adult collector market, but then again I can't say I can remember seeing more than a couple of Shipwreck kitbashes on One Sixth Warriors over the last seven or so years, as opposed to I don't know how many Snake Eyes, Storm Shadows, Beachheads, etc.

Mando produced a phenomenal bash of him. The main thing floating the G.I. Joe franchise today is nostalgia. It's not about what looks lame to you or the other 2.5 people who might share your narrow perception. It's about how this figure plays to the adults who grew up with the character, who saw him every day at 4pm, before Transformers, or read about him in the comics and "gay sailor outfit" be damned, used that action figure as one tough badass. The fact that Hasbro felt absolutely no need to update Shipwreck's looks in the vintage RAH as frequently (though he had a few) should speak volumes about how distinct of a character he was vs. be seen as him having limited appeal.

No, actually.

Like I said, that Hal Jordan pilot belongs in the DCD thread. If Sideshow should start making your watered down versions of these characters, they might as well just kick the Joe license to the curb and start producing modern soldier figures. Because moving too far away from the nostalgia aspect, which is key to this license, will cost them the majority of their Joe collectors in a niche that already deems anything not made by Hasbro and more expensive than $30 as heresy.

 

[Khev]

Actually, instead of Flash, how about Ace? He'd provide a great excuse to make this:

I've really never understood this mindset. Why make a figure that looks nothing like the character? That's like saying I want Maverick or Goose or X-Wing Luke to look like an F-22 pilot. I just don't get it.

If you want a generic modern pilot/soldier just go buy one. Why does it need a GI Joe filecard attached?

 

[onethousandmasks]

Jester is definitely the 1%

Shipwreck would sell just as good,if not better than every other Joe that has been made in this line..I am not a Huge Shipwreck fan,but he was in my '85 collection and he was pretty important and I remember how quick I grabbed his figure off the peg when I saw him.

I wouldnt go that far.

I've really never understood this mindset. Why make a figure that looks nothing like the character? That's like saying I want Maverick or Goose or X-Wing Luke to look like an F-22 pilot. I just don't get it.

If you want a generic modern pilot/soldier just go buy one. Why does it need a GI Joe filecard attached?

 

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[preeny101]

If Sideshow does any pilots,The 1st one I want to see is Wild Bill..

Not enough of these for that statement.

 

[Jester]

Because I actually know what character I'm talking about.

Yes, and so do I.

You missed the entire point. I didn't say he was as popular. I said his outfit was as KEY TO THE CHARACTER as the ninja garb is to Storm Shadow. Saying he shouldn't be wearing the sailor garb is like saying Storm Shadow should be released in street clothes. Get it now?

No, it's really more like saying that Stalker should always be in arctic kit with a kayak plugged into his back.

Yeah, yeah, I know it's Shippy's "definitive look", but if you want to make comparisons with Storm Shadow for consistency costume-wise, the blue, navy and white dungarees-and-dixie-cup uniform only accounts for three out of fifteen of Senior Chief Petty Officer Delgado's releases over the years, with the rest being mostly a mix of wetsuits, sweaters, knit-caps and camouflage BDUs.

Mando produced a phenomenal bash of him.

I suspect that that may be one of the two or so that I remember seeing.

The main thing floating the G.I. Joe franchise today is nostalgia.

Not really a very good point so far as the SSC figures are concerned. None of them look exactly like the original designs (the closest to date is probably the Crimson Guard) which seems to be idea being mooted here.

It's not about what looks lame to you or the other 2.5 people who might share your narrow perception.

Let's see the survey.

It's about how this figure plays to the adults who grew up with the character, who saw him every day at 4pm, before Transformers

And saw him unsuccessfully hit on Lady Jaye and lose arguments with his parrot.

Can't say the Jack Nickolson-esque nasal whine really helped the character either.

or read about him in the comics and "gay sailor outfit" be damned, used that action figure as one tough badass.

He was pretty much a non-entity in the comics. I'd have to check, but I think he actually had fewer appearances of consequence than Ghostrider AKA "Ol' What's-his-name".

The fact that Hasbro felt absolutely no need to update Shipwreck's looks in the vintage RAH as frequently (though he had a few) should speak volumes about how distinct of a character he was vs. be seen as him having limited appeal.

Why? How does his having shown up in the toyline once again just before the end mean he's any more popular a character than other Battle Corps re-ups like Bazooka, Backblast, Keel-Haul, Cross-Country or Iceberg? Even then, he was redesigned/redesignated a SEAL, not a generic sailor, which really should speak volumes about how Hasbro felt about him.

Like I said, that Hal Jordan pilot belongs in the DCD thread.

If you want to be that way, you'd be better off dismissing the design as "Tom Clancy's HAWX pilot", as the game featured that helmet several years before the Green Lantern movie was released.

If Sideshow should start making your watered down versions of these characters, they might as well just kick the Joe license to the curb and start producing modern soldier figures. Because moving too far away from the nostalgia aspect, which is key to this license, will cost them the majority of their Joe collectors in a niche that already deems anything not made by Hasbro and more expensive than $30 as heresy.

That's what they've been doing from the beginning, really. C'mon, can you, the self-proclaimed purist, really say you prefer Beachhead with an XCR over his old Demro XF-7 Wasp?

I've really never understood this mindset. Why make a figure that looks nothing like the character?

That's really a matter of perception. It does, in fact, look quite a lot like the character, as it happens:

 

[onethousandmasks]

Yes, and so do I.

No, it's really more like saying that Stalker should always be in arctic kit with a kayak plugged into his back.

Yeah, yeah, I know it's Shippy's "definitive look", but if you want to make comparisons with Storm Shadow for consistency costume-wise, the blue, navy and white dungarees-and-dixie-cup uniform only accounts for three out of fifteen of Senior Chief Petty Officer Delgado's releases over the years, with the rest being mostly a mix of wetsuits, sweaters, knit-caps and camouflage BDUs.

I suspect that that may be one of the two or so that I remember seeing.

Not really a very good point so far as the SSC figures are concerned. None of them look exactly like the original designs (the closest to date is probably the Crimson Guard) which seems to be idea being mooted here.

Let's see the survey.

And saw him unsuccessfully hit on Lady Jaye and lose arguments with his parrot.

Can't say the Jack Nickolson-esque nasal whine really helped the character either.

He was pretty much a non-entity in the comics. I'd have to check, but I think he actually had fewer appearances of consequence than Ghostrider AKA "Ol' What's-his-name".

Why? How does his having shown up in the toyline once again just before the end mean he's any more popular a character than other Battle Corps re-ups like Bazooka, Backblast, Keel-Haul, Cross-Country or Iceberg? Even then, he was redesigned/redesignated a SEAL, not a generic sailor, which really should speak volumes about how Hasbro felt about him.

If you want to be that way, you'd be better off dismissing the design as "Tom Clancy's HAWX pilot", as the game featured that helmet several years before the Green Lantern movie was released.

That's what they've been doing from the beginning, really. C'mon, can you, the self-proclaimed purist, really say you prefer Beachhead with an XCR over his old Demro XF-7 Wasp?

That's really a matter of perception. It does, in fact, look quite a lot like the character, as it happens:

Thats not the same helmet. This one looks a lot better than the previous one you posted.

Btw, SS "updated" look, has not stray far from the original source, save Firefly and to some degree Dutsy.

 

[Khev]

That's really a matter of perception. It does, in fact, look quite a lot like the character, as it happens:

Ah, if you're going for 1993 Ace specifically then green suit, black helmet wouldn't be so bad. But then you're going to need a few Eco-Warriors and Street Fighter figures to round out the display.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yes, and so do I.

No, it's really more like saying that Stalker should always be in arctic kit with a kayak plugged into his back.

You grow up with these? Or were you born 80's forward?

Yeah, yeah, I know it's Shippy's "definitive look", but if you want to make comparisons with Storm Shadow for consistency costume-wise, the blue, navy and white dungarees-and-dixie-cup uniform only accounts for three out of fifteen of Senior Chief Petty Officer Delgado's releases over the years, with the rest being mostly a mix of wetsuits, sweaters, knit-caps and camouflage BDUs.

Check the dates on the rest of those releases. With the exception of the wetsuit wearing versions released for the Battle Corps line (which by that time RAH had jumped the shark anyway), most were outside of vintage RAH and well into the Ding Dong Poopy era.

Not really a very good point so far as the SSC figures are concerned. None of them look exactly like the original designs (the closest to date is probably the Crimson Guard) which seems to be idea being mooted here.

Wrong. With the exception of Firefly, most have been quite faithful to their Hasbro representations. But I guess if you'd been collecting them all since the beginning, you'd know this.

Let's see the survey.

Start at your first post in this thread and read the replies to it.

And saw him unsuccessfully hit on Lady Jaye and lose arguments with his parrot.

Can't say the Jack Nickolson-esque nasal whine really helped the character either.

Age exposed. Looking at the cartoon from a "now" perspective , of course. But as a child watching the cartoon (when it was new), I highly doubt you'd have the same POV.

He was pretty much a non-entity in the comics. I'd have to check, but I think he actually had fewer appearances of consequence than Ghostrider AKA "Ol' What's-his-name".

G.I. JOE: #40, 41, 46, 47, 49-52, 61, 63, 64, 67, 74, 75, 83
G.I. JOE Special Missions: #1, 27, 28
G.I. JOE Yearbook: #2, 4

You were saying?

Why? How does his having shown up in the toyline once again just before the end mean he's any more popular a character than other Battle Corps re-ups like Bazooka, Backblast, Keel-Haul, Cross-Country or Iceberg? Even then, he was redesigned/redesignated a SEAL, not a generic sailor, which really should speak volumes about how Hasbro felt about him.

Again, Battle Corps was jumping the shark. So you'll have to come up with something better for that argument. Many had bailed on the line by then as the fluorescent figures and vehicles had already started showing up.

If you want to be that way, you'd be better off dismissing the design as "Tom Clancy's HAWX pilot", as the game featured that helmet several years before the Green Lantern movie was released.

Pick whichever you want. Either way, it's not Ace.

That's what they've been doing from the beginning, really. C'mon, can you, the self-proclaimed purist, really say you prefer Beachhead with an XCR over his old Demro XF-7 Wasp?

Maybe you need thicker glasses. Clearly that character is Beachhead. As has already been stated, the furthest away from the initial figure was the Ice Viper Sideshow released and named Firefly.

That's really a matter of perception. It does, in fact, look quite a lot like the character, as it happens:

Then yours is flawed. The helmets, the key focal point, aren't even alike. But as Khev already mentioned, you should be petitioning Sideshow for some 1/6 Street Fighter figs to flank him.

 

[The Craw]

Sorry. I want my Shipwreck in the 80's sailor outfit. I don't like the navy blue sweater/stocking cap look. Looks like he's getting ready for the next season of The Deadliest Catch. Hopefully Sideshow's figure respects the original RAH look. And i'm sick of the "gay sailor" comment. That is such a lame stereotype.

 

[Kibagami]

Sorry. I want my Shipwreck in the 80's sailor outfit. I don't like the navy blue sweater/stocking cap look. Looks like he's getting ready for the next season of The Deadliest Catch. Hopefully Sideshow's figure respects the original RAH look. And i'm sick of the "gay sailor" comment. That is such a lame stereotype.

I do think the should include a sweater with beanie since this original figure doesn't have a lot of accessories (pistol, anchor, and Polly the parrot).

 

[thenammagazine]

Sorry. I want my Shipwreck in the 80's sailor outfit. I don't like the navy blue sweater/stocking cap look. Looks like he's getting ready for the next season of The Deadliest Catch. Hopefully Sideshow's figure respects the original RAH look. And i'm sick of the "gay sailor" comment. That is such a lame stereotype.

Blame the homophobe who thinks owning Shipwreck in his iconic rendition will somehow make him less of a man.

 

[Khev]

I really hope they don't go off the wall with Shipwreck's head sculpt. That's the one thing that could really ruin the figure, aside from giving him an idiot sweater/beanie outfit.

 

[Boba Ben]

I can't think of any reason why I wouldn't want Shipwreck in his classic outfit. That's how I picture him, not some Deadliest Catch character.

 

[Kibagami]

I really hope they don't go off the wall with Shipwreck's head sculpt. That's the one thing that could really ruin the figure, aside from giving him an idiot sweater/beanie outfit.

No love for the sweater? Anyhow, it's not needed since those are plentiful like water but I agree; the head sculpt face needs to be grizzly, eyebrows furrowed, and with a scowl.

 

[thenammagazine]

I really hope they don't go off the wall with Shipwreck's head sculpt. That's the one thing that could really ruin the figure, aside from giving him an idiot sweater/beanie outfit.

Rock 'n Roll and Zartan anything to go by as far as non-masked faces, I'd say we've got little to worry about. I'd worry more about QC.

 

[teemu]

Shipwreck is going to look badass...and as manly as can be!

There was never anything gay about him

 

[thenammagazine]

Shipwreck is going to look badass...and as manly as can be!

There was never anything gay about him

Tell that to Jasper.

 

[EVILFACE]

I really hope they don't go off the wall with Shipwreck's head sculpt. That's the one thing that could really ruin the figure, aside from giving him an idiot sweater/beanie outfit.

Jack Nicholson with a beard.