Jurassic World (SPOILERS!)

[Wor-Gar]

Versus masterful JW dialogue

"We should probably stick together. For survival"

Cue JP melodica theme.

Didn't every line get followed by the JP score?

 

[a-dev]

Ugh... the Flea speech. Yes... the worst winner!

Ellie: I was overwhelmed by the power of this place.

I wasn't thinking of that as a candidate for worst dialogue in the first film, you just happened to get your post in there while I was typing that. But yes some of Ellie's lines in that scene always seemed a bit overly dramatic.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wasn't thinking of that as a candidate for worst dialogue in the first film, you just happened to get your post in there while I was typing that. But yes some of Ellie's lines in that scene always seemed a bit overly dramatic.

It was a preposterous conceit for Hammond's background -- a flea circus? And the way its milked for sentimentality and sympathy. Just... really bad Spielberg. It does happen.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

There's three moments in JP that have always bugged me and taken me out of the movie.

1. The mouthy kid at the digging site. Doesn't come off as genuine at all. Feels so contrived to me, the kid is just planted there with dialogue I just don't buy that he'd say, it's this big confrontational scene with the people cheesily parting to reveal the kid, I just think it's dumb. I don't even buy that Gran't offhand comments about the Raptors vertebrae being like a bird or whatever would illicit laughter. The whole thing is just so forced.

2. The freaking flashlight. Good grief. Who would DO that? A T-Rex has his back turned to you so you go out of your way to activate a massive beacon that leads it right to you? Beyond bizarre.

3. The conversation between Hammond and Ellie that a-dev already mentioned. Right from the beginning. The way she's standing there watching Hammond as the camera pans, then right when it stops she moves. Just *feels* like I'm watching Spielberg go, "and camera pan...stop, and ACTION!" Always takes me out of the moment and then it's just another massively forced conversation that neither actor seems to feel comfortable with.

For all of its "cheesiness" or "absurdity" or whatever you want to say is in JW it still had not a single scene that took me out of the movie like those three in JP.

The only scene that bothers me is when the T-Re escapes from his habitat by removing the unpowered electrical cables and walks towards the road. But later, the flat terrain he walked on transformed as he is able to push a car down a huge crevasse that wasn't there when he went through the fences. The crevasse is so big that it would have been impossible for the T-Rex to reach or even see the fences....but Spielberg was like, "I want a cool action scene...even if it makes no sense!"

 

[Khev]

The only scene that bothers me is when the T-Re escapes from his habitat by removing the unpowered electrical cables and walking towards the road. But later, the flat terrain he walked on transformed as he is able to push a car down a huge crevasse that wasn't there when he went through the fences. The crevasse is so big that it would have been impossible for the T-Rex to reach or even see the fences....but Spielberg was like, "I want a cool action scene...even if it makes no sense!"

I'm glad you mentioned that one, where the hell was the goat supposed to be??

Crazy how the geography of the paddock changed so dramatically.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The only scene that bothers me is when the T-Re escapes from his habitat by removing the unpowered electrical cables and walks towards the road. But later, the flat terrain he walked on transformed as he is able to push a car down a huge crevasse that wasn't there when he went through the fences. The crevasse is so big that it would have been impossible for the T-Rex to reach or even see the fences....but Spielberg was like, "I want a cool action scene...even if it makes no sense!"

YES! This! Drove me crazy back in the day. Used to point it out to my friends who didn't even notice and then they'd be like 'hey what the hell?'

 

[a-dev]

YES! This! Drove me crazy back in the day. Used to point it out to my friends who didn't even notice and then they'd be like 'hey what the hell?'

Yeah there's just no way around that one. It's not like the Rex pushes the jeep way down the road and then knocks it through a gap in the fence. It all happens in a pretty small zone which could not possibly have such a massive change in topography. If were a director I just could not depend on the audience overlooking something like that. I would have to keep it consistent and plausible.

 

[DiFabio]

The only part of Jurassic Park I had a problem with was the whole "GRAAANT" scene when the Raptor is trying to get into the security room and you hear the gun shots over the phone with Hammond. What did Grant do? Miss with a shot gun? The next shot it's just lying on the floor with a few bullets around it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The only part of Jurassic Park I had a problem with was the whole "GRAAANT" scene when the Raptor is trying to get into the security room and you hear the gun shots over the phone with Hammond. What did Grant do? Miss with a shot gun? The next shot it's just lying on the floor with a few bullets around it.

That's the only thing? With all we've mentioned?

 

[Khev]

And did Hammond really painstakingly carry seven heavy buckets of ice cream one at a time to the table just to devour himself? And then I guess the old codger just left the freezer door wide open which led to Timmy being chased into it by the velociraptor?

 

[DiFabio]

That's the only thing? With all we've mentioned?

Yeah. I never noticed the T-Rex paddock complaint. I always assumed the T-Rex pushed the car on the other side from the view we don't see, like there were fences on either side of the road. The flat, forestry area with the goat was on one side and the wall with the 40 foot drop was on the other. We just saw it from different perspectives.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yeah. I never noticed the T-Rex paddock complaint. I always assumed the T-Rex pushed the car on the other side from the view we don't see, like there were fences on either side of the road. The flat, forestry area with the goat was on one side and the wall with the 40 foot drop was on the other. We just saw it from different perspectives.

That makes zero sense. When did it push the car "down the road"? And even if it did, which it clearly did not, then the fence would not have been broken at that point... you know with the wire hanging down that they scale. If you use that snapped wire as a marker, then its right where the Rex walked out, but then dangling over a dam-sized chasm moments later.

It's very fishy geography.

 

[Sundowner]

There's three moments in JP that have always bugged me and taken me out of the movie.

1. The mouthy kid at the digging site. Doesn't come off as genuine at all. Feels so contrived to me, the kid is just planted there with dialogue I just don't buy that he'd say, it's this big confrontational scene with the people cheesily parting to reveal the kid, I just think it's dumb. I don't even buy that Gran't offhand comments about the Raptors vertebrae being like a bird or whatever would illicit laughter. The whole thing is just so forced.

2. The freaking flashlight. Good grief. Who would DO that? A T-Rex has his back turned to you so you go out of your way to activate a massive beacon that leads it right to you? Beyond bizarre.

3. The conversation between Hammond and Ellie that a-dev already mentioned. Right from the beginning. The way she's standing there watching Hammond as the camera pans, then right when it stops she moves. Just *feels* like I'm watching Spielberg go, "and camera pan...stop, and ACTION!" Always takes me out of the moment and then it's just another massively forced conversation that neither actor seems to feel comfortable with.

For all of its "cheesiness" or "absurdity" or whatever you want to say is in JW it still had not a single scene that took me out of the movie like those three in JP.

The only scene that bothers me is when the T-Re escapes from his habitat by removing the unpowered electrical cables and walks towards the road. But later, the flat terrain he walked on transformed as he is able to push a car down a huge crevasse that wasn't there when he went through the fences. The crevasse is so big that it would have been impossible for the T-Rex to reach or even see the fences....but Spielberg was like, "I want a cool action scene...even if it makes no sense!"

And this is why JP is just a good memory for me. I can't even watch that movie anymore

The only part of Jurassic Park I had a problem with was the whole "GRAAANT" scene when the Raptor is trying to get into the security room and you hear the gun shots over the phone with Hammond. What did Grant do? Miss with a shot gun? The next shot it's just lying on the floor with a few bullets around it.

It seems that shogun shoots bullets even though you can clearly see the cartridges. Also before that scene, why didn't Tim hand Ellie the shotgun? why he had to stay next to his sister doing nothing? this movie is really cringeworthy

 

[DiFabio]

That makes zero sense. When did it push the car "down the road"? And even if it did, which it clearly did not, then the fence would not have been broken at that point... you know with the wire hanging down that they scale. If you use that snapped wire as a marker, then its right where the Rex walked out, but then dangling over a dam-sized chasm moments later.

It's very fishy geography.

I don't know, I didn't build the ****ing thing!





In all seriousness though, in all my viewings I never noticed it. The only geography I paid attention to was which dinosaur stop they had next. It's raining, they're going back to the entrance, the T-Rex pops up, there's suspense with the lights and flares, then the car flip, Spielberg easily duped me. I actually just googled the whole thing you mentioned and I guess it's a topic of hot debate, with illustrations!





I never looked into it that far. I took what was happening for granted and was immersed completely. I tend to gloss over all the mistakes in my favorite movies.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

When the girl is trying to set the locks for the door when the raptors are coming in, Alan and Ellie are holding the door and Ellie cant reach the shotgun, and the boy is just sitting next to the girl, helping her sister by pounding the chair and acting nervous...instead of handing the shotgun to Ellie, or just kill the raptor himself like a little badass, but no...Spielberg wanted tension and drama!!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I don't know, I didn't build the ****ing thing!





In all seriousness though, in all my viewings I never noticed it. The only geography I paid attention to was which dinosaur stop they had next. It's raining, they're going back to the entrance, the T-Rex pops up, there's suspense with the lights and flares, then the car flip, Spielberg easily duped me. I actually just googled the whole thing you mentioned and I guess it's a topic of hot debate, with illustrations!
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I never looked into it that far. I took what was happening for granted and was immersed completely. I tend to gloss over all the mistakes in my favorite movies.

Holy ****! Graphics and everything! It's like the Kennedy assassination...but with dinosaurs!

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, until tonight I had no idea. This is great.

 

[Khev]

Agreed on Grant or Ellie not saying "Timmy get the ****ing shotgun!" Things like that are why I never "bought" a lot of the tension of JP. I was never really freaking out in those moments because I was almost watching fools in a horror movie go out of their way to avoid making incredibly obvious decisions that were very out of character. I didn't get that with Jurassic World.

Jurassic Park was at it's best when the T-Rex broke out (other than the flashlight) and the kitchen scene. Pretty much everything else was a situation that IMO would have been very easily avoided. It was all still "fun" but not "holy ****!" edge of my seat excitement.

But still, great iconography and a buttload of awesomely quotable lines.

 

[Sundowner]

Agreed on Grant or Ellie not saying "Timmy get the ****ing shotgun!" Things like that are why I never "bought" a lot of the tension of JP. I was never really freaking out in those moments because I was almost watching fools in a horror movie go out of their way to avoid making incredibly obvious decisions that were very out of character. I didn't get that with Jurassic World.

Jurassic Park was at it's best when the T-Rex broke out (other than the flashlight) and the kitchen scene. Pretty much everything else was a situation that IMO would have been very easily avoided. It was all still "fun" but not "holy ****!" edge of my seat excitement.

But still, great iconography and a buttload of awesomely quotable lines.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't consider it a goof or a mistake per se, but being a fan of Muldoon, it always bugged me how he got killed.

Here we have a hunter that knows more about these animals than anyone. He's seen and followed them first hand. Yet, Grant, a Paleontologist, a ****ing bone digger, knows about raptor attack patterns and Muldoon doesn't? What Grant describes in the beginning to the fat kid is exactly what happens to Muldoon. How did he not see that coming? Muldoon was schooling Grant when they all first arrived, and yet, Muldoon didn't know that they hunt in packs of two and trick their prey?

It's probably just me being salty because even as a kid, Muldoon was one of my favorite characters.