Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

but don't go around spreading false information as if it's fact.

So you've read the JLA script? Awesome. How is Flash introduced? How does Aquaman meet the JLA? Is Granny Goodness in the film?

I have so many questions. I'll try to keep it at three per post. Well actually four, since I need one more answered now:

WHY are you telling me they're not adapting INJUSTICE when you haven't read ****? I know over a dozen people personally who see INJUSTICE all over that Knightmare sequence and Flash vision. I can even link you to sites that are seeing it too.

I swear to God, people don't like something and moronically think it won't be adapted because they don't like it.

I could give a **** about INJUSTICE. It just LOOKS like that's where they're headed.

 

[Victοr]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

So you've read the JLA script? Awesome. How is Flash introduced? How does Aquaman meet the JLA? Is Granny Goodness in the film?

I have so many questions. I'll try to keep it at three per post. Well actually four, since I need one more answered now:

WHY are you telling me they're not adapting INJUSTICE when you haven't read ****? I know over a dozen people personally who see INJUSTICE all over that Knightmare sequence and Flash vision. I can even link you to sites that are seeing it too.

I swear to God, people don't like something and moronically think it won't be adapted because they don't like it.

I could give a **** about INJUSTICE. It just LOOKS like that's where they're headed.

Don't be so salty man, I'm not the one going around saying "it's clearly INJUSTICE". Literally nobody else does this but you. You go around in all the threads and say "it's Injustice, it's Injustice!", and when people bring up the actual events of Injustice, you either don't respond or go all nerd-rage. Everybody's jumping on the Injustice train because that's the most mainstream version of an Evil Superman and is fresh in everybody's minds. Nothing else points to that. Not Darkseid, not a Post-Apoc setting, nothing. Have you even played the game or read the comics? Because if you had, you'd know that nothing fits in there.

Again, I'm not the one going around responding to people's theories with "it's clearly Injustice bruh" when I don't know "****" as you so eloquently put it. Nobody knows "****", it's just that most of us can actually tell the difference between specualtion, and fact... You, on the other hand, just decided that it's Injustice and you've accepted it as fact. Which is cool and all, but don't treat it as an absolute certainty. There are many other "Superman gone evil" stories that fit the Knightmare sequences better. But I don't expect you to listen, really.

Chill man, chill...

 

[filip629]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

No, Darkseid isn't in the game. I think he appears in a cutscene or in the comic, where he's torturing someone, but Darkseid has no role in the whole Saga. Injustice is a morality tale which revolves around a broken Superman. Evil Superman doesn't fit with the game, at all. If anything, Regime Supes would straight-up try to murder Darkseid in Injustice, not team-up with him. He alligned himself with Sinestro because they shared similar POVs. Darkseid is the ultimate evil, there's no way he can work in such a setting.

Well, since Darkseid is the obvious focus of the JL movie and it was Parademons that helped take down Bats and string him up in the dream sequence, wouldn't that lead most peeps to believe Supes is brainwashed into working for Darkseid? Why would the Parademons leave Bats for Supes if he wasn't working for Darkseid? Since the INJUSTICE Supes would never ally himself with Darkseid, doesn't that completely contradict everything we saw in the dream sequence?

 

[filip629]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

After reading the last few posts I have to say this shouldn't be all that serious of a topic. When the JL movie comes out, we'll all know what story is being adapted and used for the movie.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Well, since Darkseid is the obvious focus of the JL movie and it was Parademons that helped take down Bats and string him up in the dream sequence, wouldn't that lead most peeps to believe Supes is brainwashed into working for Darkseid? Why would the Parademons leave Bats for Supes if he wasn't working for Darkseid? Since the INJUSTICE Supes would never ally himself with Darkseid, doesn't that completely contradict everything we saw in the dream sequence?

The Knightmare sequence clearly showcases that Supes' reign is under Darkseid.

Basically if Darkseid is Palpatine, Supes is Vader.

 

[Victοr]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Well, since Darkseid is the obvious focus of the JL movie and it was Parademons that helped take down Bats and string him up in the dream sequence, wouldn't that lead most peeps to believe Supes is brainwashed into working for Darkseid? Why would the Parademons leave Bats for Supes if he wasn't working for Darkseid? Since the INJUSTICE Supes would never ally himself with Darkseid, doesn't that completely contradict everything we saw in the dream sequence?

Of course it does, but some are convinced it's Injustice, just cause it's recent and it features an "evil" Superman. It's more akin to Nu52 Earth-2 if you ask me. Supes is killed early on (alongside Batman and Diana) and falls under the control of Darkseid (it's revealed that he's a clone, but for a couple of months, he was just an evil Superman) but still loves Lois, who dies and is turned into the Red Tornado. Hell, Earth-2 also featured a primary attack by Darkseid which left the world devastated, and actually had some "red zones", such as various "Pits".

 

[filip629]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

The Knightmare sequence clearly showcases that Supes' reign is under Darkseid.

Basically if Darkseid is Palpatine, Supes is Vader.

OK, but if Supes would never ally himself with Darkseid in INJUSTICE and would kill him instead because he's pure evil, how's that gonna work? Please don't take my post as pressing you on this subject. I have no clue what the JL story line will be. However, from what you told me, it just doesn't add up for me. A brainwashed Supes working for Darkseid just makes more sense for me. I admit that I could be wrong. Again, there's no way of knowing unless someone read the script or is working on the movie. Either way, I'm looking forward to the movie.

 

[batfan08]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

OK, but if Supes would never ally himself with Darkseid in INJUSTICE and would kill him instead because he's pure evil, how's that gonna work? Please don't take my post as pressing you on this subject. I have no clue what the JL story line will be. However, from what you told me, it just doesn't add up for me. A brainwashed Supes working for Darkseid just makes more sense for me. I admit that I could be wrong. Again, there's no way of knowing unless someone read the script or is working on the movie. Either way, I'm looking forward to the movie.

Who says it has to be based on Injustice? In Superman: The Animated Series, Superman is kidnapped and brainwashed into leading Darkseid's invasion of earth, as did he in an Elseworlds story which influenced that arc. They can take from different sources, and go from there.

 

[filip629]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Who says it has to be based on Injustice? In Superman: The Animated Series, Superman is kidnapped and brainwashed into leading Darkseid's invasion of earth, as did he in an Elseworlds story which influenced that arc. They can take from different sources, and go from there.

It's a running theory here by some members. I personally just don't see it.

 

[Victοr]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Who says it has to be based on Injustice? In Superman: The Animated Series, Superman is kidnapped and brainwashed into leading Darkseid's invasion of earth, as did he in an Elseworlds story which influenced that arc. They can take from different sources, and go from there.

Sure, that's plausible. There's no story that can be adapted and reflect perfectly what we've seen already. I'm just saying, that it doesn't fit Injustice, at all. I mean, let's look at the clues:

Injustice Superman: Dictator with a noble goal. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably evil.
Injustice Superman: Alligns with Sinestro, Darkseid doesn't even appear. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably working for Darkseid.
Injustice Superman: Has lots of Leaguers as allies. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably all alone, considering Flash's comments.
Injustice Superman: Wants to protect the world through order. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably lives in a Post-Apoc world.

Thing is, we don't know jack about Knightmare, whereas we know everything about Injustice, and nothing alligns with what've seen. Which is futile in and of itself, considering we've seen only a few minutes of Knightmare's world. When the synopsis for JL hits and the trailer comes out, then we'll have more clues, but as it stands, this looks like a brainwashed/evil Superman story, not Injustice.

It's a running theory here by some members. I personally just don't see it.

Neither do I friend, neither do I...

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Thing is, we don't know jack about Knightmare, whereas we know everything about Injustice.

Knightmare: Superman is a World Dictator
INJUSTICE: Superman is a World Dictator

Knightmare: Metropolis is destroyed (presumably by Darkseid)
INJUSTICE: Metropolis is destroyed in nuclear explosion

Knightmare: Batman leads small rebellion against Supes
INJUSTICE: Batman leads small rebellion against Supes

Knightmare: Superman loses his **** after Lois' death, becomes dictator (Flash alludes to this)
INJUSTICE: Superman loses his **** after Lois' death, becomes dictator

Knightmare: Superman blames Batman for Lois' death
INJUSTICE: Superman blames Batman for Lois' death

Yes, Darkseid is new to INJUSTICE but the basic premise remains the same. BvS established Lois as too important a part of Supes' sanity ("She was my world.")

 

[Victοr]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Knightmare: Superman is a World Dictator
INJUSTICE: Superman is a World Dictator

Knightmare: World Dictator of a Post-Apoc world.
Regime: World Dictator of a normal and still functioning world he wishes, above all else, to protect.

Knightmare: Metropolis is destroyed (presumably by Darkseid)
INJUSTICE: Metropolis is destroyed in nuclear explosion

Knightmare: We don't even know if that's Metropolis. Even if it is, this is destroyed by Darkseid, who has no relevance to the plot of the game. At all...
Injustice: Metropolis is destroyed due to Joker detonating a bomb, which is in a way, the heroes' fault. hence the ideological rift.

Knightmare: Batman leads small rebellion against Supes
INJUSTICE: Batman leads small rebellion against Supes

Knightmare: Batman leads a small band of humans, and possibly has the JL by his side.
Injustice: Batman leads a whole army of JL members and villains against Superman's "official" Peace-Keeping force. Meanwhile, Superman has enough "good points" for many Leaguers to allign themselves with him. Flash, Shazam, Cyborg, Hal Jordan and Wonder Woman to name a few.

Knightmare: Superman loses his **** after Lois' death, becomes dictator (Flash alludes to this)
INJUSTICE: Superman loses his **** after Lois' death, becomes dictator

Knightmare: Something happens to Lois, and Superman turns evil. We don't know what.
Regime: Lois dies by Superman's hands, and he decides to monitor Earth, punish criminals harsher and keep a tight grip around everyone.

Knightmare: Superman blames Batman for Lois' death
INJUSTICE: Superman blames Batman for Lois' death

Knightmare: That wasn't really stated, only that she was his world.
Regime: He blames Batman specifically because he's the one who's left the Joker roaming free for all of his career.

Yes, Darkseid is new to INJUSTICE but the basic premise remains the same. BvS established Lois as too important a part of Supes' sanity ("She was my world.")

So if Darkseid destroyes Metropolis, why the hell would Superman work with him? Again, the whole premise of Injustice is to showcase what would happen if Superman decided to abuse his power, not just an evil Superman. There are many, many evil Superman stories. Injustice Superman = Evil guy with noble intentions, whereas Knightmare Superman = Evil guy with presumably evil intentions.

Injustice is all about conflicting ideologies and is built upon the history of all these character. Knightmare looks like it's just a story of an Evil/Brainwashed/Lost-all-hope-in-humanity Superman, which isn't "Injustice". When you're adapting a story you have to at least stay true to the very centre of it, which in Injustice's case, is the rift in ideologies and the best way to ensure peace. We don't know anything at all about Knightmare, so we can't come to any conclusions.

All I'm saying is, give it a rest with "INJUSTICE". It's not a fact. You have no confirmation. Nobody has any confirmation whatsoever about the plot of JL. All we can do is speculate, which is futile at this point, give how little we know. The fact that the similarities between this and Injustice could be the same for many other evil Superman stories doesn't help.

 

[batfan08]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Sure, that's plausible. There's no story that can be adapted and reflect perfectly what we've seen already. I'm just saying, that it doesn't fit Injustice, at all. I mean, let's look at the clues:

Injustice Superman: Dictator with a noble goal. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably evil.
Injustice Superman: Alligns with Sinestro, Darkseid doesn't even appear. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably working for Darkseid.
Injustice Superman: Has lots of Leaguers as allies. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably all alone, considering Flash's comments.
Injustice Superman: Wants to protect the world through order. | Knightmare Superman: Presumably lives in a Post-Apoc world.

Thing is, we don't know jack about Knightmare, whereas we know everything about Injustice, and nothing alligns with what've seen. Which is futile in and of itself, considering we've seen only a few minutes of Knightmare's world. When the synopsis for JL hits and the trailer comes out, then we'll have more clues, but as it stands, this looks like a brainwashed/evil Superman story, not Injustice.




Neither do I friend, neither do I...

So, basically, I'm agreeing with you. I just popped into this thread, so, I have no context or any clue what the **** is going on.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

The whole premise of Injustice is to showcase what would happen if Superman decided to abuse his power, not just an evil Superman.

INJUSTICE showed just how important a role Lois plays in Superman's sanity. People who hate INJUSTICE tend to cite the fact that all it took for Supes to snap was Lois dying.

BvS spends its entirety conveying the message that Lois is the key because she's become his world. If you missed that HUGE plot point in BvS I can actually understand why you're so incapable of seeing the arguably obvious seeds of INJUSTICE.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Oh, man...

Injustice is about Superman turning from a hero with moral core, principles and a long history of saving people to a planetary tyrant because he was tricked into killing pregnant Lois and destrying Metropolis. Hopeman of Snyderverse isn't even a Superman yet and there's no indication that he was responsible for Lois' death in that alternative future.

 

[Victοr]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

So, basically, I'm agreeing with you. I just popped into this thread, so, I have no context or any clue what the **** is going on.

Well, here's the gist of it: Knightmare alludes to an Evil Superman storyline. Snikt is utterly convinced it's based on Injustice, despite us having little to nothing to speculate on, and Injustice and Knightmare being vastly different apart from superficial similarities. There, you're all caught up now!

INJUSTICE showed just how important a role Lois plays in Superman's sanity. People who hate INJUSTICE tend to cite the fact that all it took for Supes to snap was Lois dying.

So, all you took from a tale about conflicting ideologies and the debate between freedom and security is that Lois is important to Superman? Ooookaaayy...

BvS spends its entirety conveying the message that Lois is the key because she's become his world. If you missed that HUGE plot point in BvS I can actually understand why you're so incapable of seeing the arguably obvious seeds of INJUSTICE.

Wow. This is... this is golden. Not only do you not know jack about Injustice and other similar storylines, not only do you not want to hear anyone else's views, not only did you not get the point of Injustice, but you're also accusing me of being so damn brain-dead that I couldn't follow a film titled "Batman v Superman"... Have fun spouting "INJUSTICE" all the time mate, I'm out of this "debate", there's just no reasoning with you. If you actually go and read the books, you'll see that the similarities are far too few and that Knightmare is alluding to a general "Evil Superman" story but eh, believe what you want...

Oh, man...

Injustice is about Superman turning from a hero with moral core, principles and a long history of saving people to a planetary tyrant because he was tricked into killing pregnant Lois and destrying Metropolis. Hopeman of Snyderverse isn't even a Superman yet and there's no indication that he was responsible for Lois' death in that alternative future.

Let him believe what he wants man, there's no reasoning with him. He's firmly planted his feet into the ground and won't accept any opposing views, even if they have actual resources to cite and not speculation based on a few minutes. If anything, Knightmare looks exactly like Nu52 Earth-2:

A world destroyed by Darkseid's forces? Check.
An Evil Superman who answers to Darkseid? Check. (sorta)
A Superman who still loves Lois and his parents even though he's totes evil? Check.
A Batman who's fighting back alongside all of the available heroes, whereas Superman is the enemy and doesn't have any friends from the League? Check.

I really don't see how Knightmare is more similar to Injustice than this...

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Knightmare looks exactly like Nu52 Earth 2.

Somewhat.

Looks more like something else to me.

But by all means, mate, begin your rant on how the two images above have no resemblance whatsoever, just like that Lois dying/Superman going crazy/blaming Batman plot from BvS that doesn't resemble that Lois dying/Superman going crazy/blaming Batman plot from INJUSTICE at all.

 

[Victοr]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

Somewhat.

Looks more like something else to me.

But by all means, mate, begin your rant on how the two images above have no resemblance whatsoever, just like that Lois dying/Superman going crazy/blaming Batman plot from BvS that doesn't resemble that Lois dying/Superman going crazy/blaming Batman plot from INJUSTICE at all.

Well, you're the one who's calling everyone "bruh" and accuses them of "not getting it" whenever someone dissagrees with you. You provided one pic that has a similar syle. I provided a bunch of scans that have a similar story, there's a difference. Where's Sinestro? Where are his League and his alies? Where's his "Utopia" which is achieved through fear and order? But, nah, scans and evidence constitutes as a "rant", right? Nah, your way is many times better...

So you've read the JLA script? Awesome. How is Flash introduced? How does Aquaman meet the JLA? Is Granny Goodness in the film?

I have so many questions. I'll try to keep it at three per post. Well actually four, since I need one more answered now:

WHY are you telling me they're not adapting INJUSTICE when you haven't read ****? I know over a dozen people personally who see INJUSTICE all over that Knightmare sequence and Flash vision. I can even link you to sites that are seeing it too.

I swear to God, people don't like something and moronically think it won't be adapted because they don't like it.

I could give a **** about INJUSTICE. It just LOOKS like that's where they're headed.

But, by all means, keep beating a dead horse. Nobody here is convinced that it's Injustice, because, guess what, we don't know anything about Knightmare. But hey, believe what you want, it doesn't make a difference to me. When you start citing specific instances and providing scans, then I'll take you seriously. No, scratch that, when you decide to behave like an adult and not call people "bruh", when you stop accusing people because they don't share your POV, when you stop ignoring scans, evidence and the other person's points, when in general stop acting like a little child, then I'll take you seriously...

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)

OK, but if Supes would never ally himself with Darkseid in INJUSTICE and would kill him instead because he's pure evil, how's that gonna work? Please don't take my post as pressing you on this subject. I have no clue what the JL story line will be. However, from what you told me, it just doesn't add up for me. A brainwashed Supes working for Darkseid just makes more sense for me. I admit that I could be wrong. Again, there's no way of knowing unless someone read the script or is working on the movie. Either way, I'm looking forward to the movie.

This was a good read and actually brought up a nod to INJUSTICE I had missed.

What's Actually Happening In That Crazy Flash Scene From Dawn of Justice | CINEMABLEND

Supes kills The Joker by punching right through his chest with his arm. He basically does the same to Batman in the Knightmare sequence.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Justice League-Parts 1 & 2 (2017 and 2019)