Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

I think there was a logical progression over the three films. Man of Steel seems like the most purely Snyder-esque of the three. BvS seems to have started that way, but Wonder Woman, the bad jokes, and the whole scene with Doomsday seem like studio interference. Didn't he initially want Batman raped there? At least he got to keep his Jimmy Olson death scene and visionary interpretation of Luthor. . .

With JL, the studio interference reached a high point, bolstered by their (financial) success after interfering heavily with Suicide Squad, and seeing that Wonder Woman defied expectations by playing it like a pretty conventional, crowd-pleasing, dare I say Marvel Studios-type superhero film. When Whedon left for personal reasons, they were allowed even more leeway to take the reigns and run with it, inserting Whedon to do a smattering of pseudo-comedic bits like, I'm sure, the scene with Superman racing Flash.

One running theme in all of the films is an attempt to overcompensate for a previous deficiency. In Man of Steel, it was criticism of Superman Returns--not enough of two super human monsters punching each other through buildings. In BvS, it was--not enough of a focus on civilians. In JL, it was--too much Snyder, not enough Feige.

But surely, this one stands out from the crowd as the most different. And I like it more because if it, while also respecting it less

That is truly master class right there you truly own this forum when you post **** like that lol

 

[Khev]

One running theme in all of the films is an attempt to overcompensate for a previous deficiency.

Yes and that really reached an apex with JL. I felt like literally almost every single line in the movie was either

1. to "correct" something that people criticized from a previous film

Or

2. make it feel more like a Marvel movie.

 

[karamazov80]

That is truly master class right there you truly own this forum when you post **** like that lol

Well that's something that summarizes a lot of the opinions here toward Marvel Studios, no? People who hate on those movies criticize them for being formulaic and crowd-pleasing. But many who love them do so because they're fun, and don't expect you to write a dissertation about it after all is said and done. There Will Be Blood they ain't. But there are worse ways to spend a couple of hours. These are the modern equivalents to the Arnold action movies of the '80s, or the James Bond movies of the '60s, or the John Ford westerns of the '40s and '50s.

I admire movies that take risks, but also can't stand many of them.

 

[Khev]

I admire movies that take risks, but also can't stand many of them.

Case in point: Rogue One.

 

[karamazov80]

Yes, the riskiest film in memory

 

[Khev]

Yes, the riskiest film in memory

Didn't you hate BR 2049 as well? I'm going to start calling you kariddick80.

 

[hoodonit00]

I actually find more to be enjoyed from watching B&R than JL.

And that is why I can't take your movie reviews with any sort or seriousness.

 

[jye4ever]

And that is why I can't take your movie reviews with any sort or seriousness.

Khev help me out here will ya

 

[karamazov80]

Didn't you hate BR 2049 as well? I'm going to start calling you kariddick80.

No, I thought 2049 was great. But it's one that I admittedly will need more time to process--and honestly, I haven't given it too much thought since I saw it. I didn't think it was something we'll look back on as a masterpiece 10 years down the road, and it lacked an emotional core that resonated with me (though on that last measure, I think it was in keeping with the spirit of the original). Comparatively speaking, I didn't think it had the same creative spark and impact that Fury Road did. But those criticisms don't detract from all that it accomplished so well. Villeneuve is a masterful filmmaker.

 

[jye4ever]

No, I thought 2049 was great. But it's one that I admittedly will need more time to process--and honestly, I haven't given it too much thought since I saw it. I didn't think it was something we'll look back on as a masterpiece 10 years down the road, and it lacked an emotional core that resonated with me (though on that last measure, I think it was in keeping with the spirit of the original). Comparatively speaking, I didn't think it had the same creative spark and impact that Fury Road did. But those criticisms don't detract from all that it accomplished so well. Villeneuve is a masterful filmmaker.

Ie; No Doofus guitar player in 2049 = forgettable movie

 

[Khev]

Khev help me out here will ya

No, I thought 2049 was great. But it's one that I admittedly will need more time to process--and honestly, I haven't given it too much thought since I saw it. I didn't think it was something we'll look back on as a masterpiece 10 years down the road, and it lacked an emotional core that resonated with me (though on that last measure, I think it was in keeping with the spirit of the original). Comparatively speaking, I didn't think it had the same creative spark and impact that Fury Road did. But those criticisms don't detract from all that it accomplished so well. Villeneuve is a masterful filmmaker.

I rate both FR and BR 2049 very highly but nevertheless:

Fury Road: Two-Face's entrance (Batman Forever)

BR 2049: Batman's entrance

Ie; No Doofus guitar player in 2049 = forgettable movie

 

[jye4ever]

At least kara doesn’t call it 2046 like I do lol

 

[M United]

So why does he require a thugs fear what’s wrong with his own.

If Parademons were attracted to fear wouldn’t they just be attacking the city already since it’s full of fear every second of the day everywhere, why just a single thug on a roof top.

Batman said this PD was a scout they send scouts first before the attack. The scout won't go cause havoc that's not their job batman tricked the PD by making this thug **** his pants that's more fear than worrying someone may do a drive by for example in the city center.

This is the problem when a movie is complex everyone think its **** because sometimes you need to watch it a couple of times to understand it marvel doesn't go this route they just put bright colors and jokes so you get it first go.

 

[jye4ever]

I kindly disagree about JL being complex at least not at the levels attempted by BvS.

Dumb yes

Complex no

Using fear from a thug is dumb.

The whole fear angle is dumb.

Steppenwolf fear was his undoing....oh brother.

The guy conquered how many worlds and now he was scared because his axe broke lol

 

[M United]

You are right it wasn't on the complex level of BvS but most things did make sense. What didn't make sense what batman calling Alfred in front of the thug, and when aquaman calls Bruce wayne batman in front of the villagers. Also why didn't they fly the cop out of there so he doesn't see Supermans real identity.

 

[Khev]

And how on earth could Batman have ever figured out that the parademons were attracted to fear? "You know Alfred it appears that every single victim that is attacked by these alien insect cyborgs with fangs and red glowing eyes is scared out of their minds."

"No ****!"

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

And how on earth could Batman have ever figured out that the parademons were attracted to fear? "You know Alfred it appears that every single victim that is attacked by these alien insect cyborgs with fangs and red glowing eyes is scared out of their minds."

"No ****!"

 

[M United]

Batman is a master detective it's not impossible to believe he can figure out that PD are attracted to fear. It's his character.

 

[jye4ever]

And how on earth could Batman have ever figured out that the parademons were attracted to fear? "You know Alfred it appears that every single victim that is attacked by these alien insect cyborgs with fangs and red glowing eyes is scared out of their minds."

"No ****!"

Oh no my axe was frozen then broken what do I do!

I’ve only conquered hundreds of worlds.

Who dafuq is this guy, Linus from Peanuts!

 

[Khev]

Oh no my axe was frozen then broken what do I do!

Yes and it just goes to show how underdeveloped a character that Steppenwolf was. Literally all we knew about him was that he was bad and carried an axe. Not much to go on with regard to things that might make him "afraid" so they had him overreact to losing his axe. And considering that that ended up being his downfall they really should have made "fear" a more prominent theme beyond just the one throwaway line about the burglar in the opening scene.

Compare that to how elegantly "be mindful of your surroundings" came full circle in Batman Begins (or even "I can do this all day/I'm with you to the end of the line") in the Cap films. Hell even the jokey jokey GotG had that really nice moment with Star-Lord finally taking his mother's hand after refusing it at the beginning but JL didn't even try to give any meaning at all to Steppenwolf's demise.