Legalizing Marijuana

[ProgMatinee]

we'll have to learn to live with the fact we each walked our own road in our own shoes to get where we are. i'm listening to what others have to say, but the approaches that people use are what their characters are. I'm not asking anyone to change the way their mind works or formulates a thought. thats messed up.

I've been nothing but logical. In a discussion over the internet you don't have much time to explain with marginalized opinions. So we use extremes. Look at your last comment about money in the bank. Little extreme? Did I say "no money"? Perhaps I was speaking about the general economy which maybe you noticed is in the toilet.

And FYI, we have compromised our farmland. Notice corn prices have gone up? Thats in large part because selling corn to make ethanol is more profitable than to make food. Same with making corn sugar. So yeah, prime farmland would certainly be used to make pot. Historically good farmland has been overtaken by malls and parking lots too. It happens.

I'm neurotic so I do invision cataclismic stuff, but I'm not a fool and I don't just formulate opinions out of thin air.

 

[Darkseed]

Keep it illegal. Recreational drugs are pointless.....moving on.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

1)You're proposing a creation of an industry. In itself that does not create "new money". It simply moves money from other industries to it. For example, people who chose to smoke pot must do it at the expense of something else. Maybe thats alcohol or movie tickets, or food, or cars, or baby formula. Something loses money.

2)The land that is proposed for growing will have to come from somewhere. I'm not an expert, but typically the most profitable plants demand the best land. I'm sure pot will be super profitable, so that means land currently being used here in the states for corn, or wheat or other produce will be converted. That means a bigger reliance on outsourced food. Higher food costs, more money leaving the country.

3)True new money is created when America exports goods to other countries. Will other countries be interested/able to buy American pot? Probably not unless other countries legalize.

To me, the legalization of pot just moves money from productive industries to non productive industry. If people can't afford to spend money on legal stuff today, where are they going to get money to spend on pot?

i think we all know that none of this will pass. and as i stated earlier you can make money from Hemp, lots of money.

 

[Deckard]

Keep it illegal. Recreational drugs are pointless.....moving on.

And its use for cancer patients?

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Keep it illegal. Recreational drugs are pointless.....moving on.

obviuosly doesn't ever partake in Caffine, or never had Alcohol in his life.

 

[Deckard]

Yup, hope you never smoke a cigarette or have a beer or glass of wine(good for your heart) or gonna look like a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[ProgMatinee]

i think we all know that none of this will pass. and as i stated earlier you can make money from Hemp, lots of money.

none of what will pass? ?

you're saying that you don't think pot wil ever be legalized anyway?

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

No, I'm saying that land will not be taken away from from the farmers in Kansas and such places. Everyone know that you need a specific climate to grow the best product. There is a reason that close to 90% of pot grown in the US is from California.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

And its use for cancer patients?

But in that particular case, it ceases to be recreational and falls into the realm of the medicinal.

 

[Deckard]

But in that particular case, it ceases to be recreational and falls into the realm of the medicinal.

Only where they recogize it as such which is not every state.

Technically overall MJ is still recreational even if used for practical purposes, thats why its illegal. I think we should as a country definately w/o arguement, legalise it for these people who can truely medically benefit from it and would happily put aside my own wants for such a cause.

 

[ProgMatinee]

No, I'm saying that land will not be taken away from from the farmers in Kansas and such places. Everyone know that you need a specific climate to grow the best product. There is a reason that close to 90% of pot grown in the US is from California.

apparently not me! thats why I said i wasn't an expert. I figured hemp needed a similar climate to other crops.

and i wasn't implying by any means that farmers would have their land "taken". I meant that most farmers would prefer to grow the most profitable crops, which will undoubtely be pot.

 

[Deckard]

That may not be the case though(most profit) given the fact that as I said, the government will pay farmers to limit food crops. But I don't know for sure how much they get from such a deal or if a similar deal would be enacted for MJ growers.

 

[ProgMatinee]

And its use for cancer patients?

i don't want to be rude, but this is what I meant that its personal to you, since you told us you had cancer. anything anyone says in the contrary is going to look like an attack on your own survival. I don't blame you, just saying thats why you think everything I'm saying is so extreme.

someone was abused or neglected by a parent who was high from pot would probably think you supporting its legalization was a slap to them.

 

[Darkseed]

Yup, hope you never smoke a cigarette or have a beer or glass of wine(good for your heart) or gonna look like a bit of a hypocrite.

Never drank nor smoked and I am 43 don't think it is gonna happen anytime soon.

Mom and dad smoked were recreational drinkers and most of my family followed suit. My mother died of lung cancer never used pot to ease any pain.

Tons of social, physical and mental activities to do that doesn't require illegal activities to relax. IMO it is an excuse but each their own.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

that's cool, but if you truely believe to each their own then you shouldn't care if it's legal or not.

 

[ProgMatinee]

in any case, i'm out of here and going to get wasted on cheap beer.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

............ I see the Nuggets are on tonight, Enjoy the game if you're gonna watch.

 

[Deckard]

i don't want to be rude, but this is what I meant that its personal to you, since you told us you had cancer. anything anyone says in the contrary is going to look like an attack on your own survival. I don't blame you, just saying thats why you think everything I'm saying is so extreme.

someone was abused or neglected by a parent who was high from pot would probably think you supporting its legalization was a slap to them.

It isn't really, Im not at the stage where it could be or would need to be prescribed to help me. But I have seen people who do need it and why not help them?

As to abuse, I was adopted, my foster father was a Marine in Vietnam and the way he was raised was to hit kids. He would come home drunk and hit me for no reason sometimes but I still love my father with all my heart, without him I would not be here. Simple as that. And I still drink in moderation. As does my close friend who's father also beat him far worse due to alchohol, though he no longer speaks to him.

Also, hopefully it goes w/o saying but I would never hit my child.

 

[devilof76]

Cheap beer? You know you could have used that money to truly stimulate the economy, right? You're just shifting money from one useless place (your pocket) to another useless place (the beer manufacturers).

And where did they farm those hops? Land that could have been used for food?

 

[Deckard]

Never drank nor smoked and I am 43 don't think it is gonna happen anytime soon.

Mom and dad smoked were recreational drinkers and most of my family followed suit. My mother died of lung cancer never used pot to ease any pain.

Tons of social, physical and mental activities to do that doesn't require illegal activities to relax. IMO it is an excuse but each their own.

More power to you then. Your completely correct, but alchohol is not illegal, and theyre are plenty of social situations where drinking in moderation is plenty of fun.

As to your mother, I am not really in a position to judge, I don't know if she was in pain or not, but if she had wanted to in order to have an appetite would you have been against it?