Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[Snake Plissken]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Watch Fox do an R rated FF..i Wouldn't be that surprised- Sue Storm in naked glory plus Human Torch burning people to a crisp...

Anatomically correct "Thing"

 

[karamazov80]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Watch Fox do an R rated FF..i Wouldn't be that surprised- Sue Storm in naked glory plus Human Torch burning people to a crisp...

I would love to see a live action Plantary done well. In that story, which is very mature and disturbing, the Fantastic Four (essentially) are the bad guys. But of course, this was a post-modern, pessimistic view of that team and story.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

No idea how they can do a story on Old Man Logan without having access to portray so many of the other characters in it

Same as Civil War. Just change it for the screen

Unfortunately you are correct. If only Marvel could get the rights. Fun to dream I guess.

The battle-damage mechanic is brilliant, as you see Logan slowly go from normal person to a walking bag of meat and bones. It's gory, fun and insane. Plus, there are comic-book costumes that you can unlock, which make the game soooo much better. Honestly,it's one of my favourite Hack n' Slash games out there.

It was just awesomely done.

Well since that pamphlet was printed and handed out before deadpool even debuted its not just Becuase of deadpool...and has nothing to do with its "success".

Plus they did the unrated cut of TW so they've been interested in R-Rated Wolverine for a while

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Yes EF, we all know... EVEN I WANT ROBOCOP GORE IN THIS... Intestines, berserking rage screaming 300 style LOGAN! Just 10 minutes of a bit of story and instigation and 2 hours of full on killing rampage could makeup for all the missed chances! NTM bring out the Suit and Mask! Let battle damage rip the mask off to see Jackman near end of film.

I read Aronofsky's draft of McQuarrie's script and it was quite brutal. Its honestly one of the best CBM screenplays I've ever read. Its nothing like what we got with Mangold. It opens with him working for the Japanese mob as a ruthless enforcer. Then he turns on them and its an all out war where he kills at least a hundred people. The brown and orange costume is featured in one scene.

Aronofsky clearly couldn't get them to approve the heavy 'R' content so he walked. Wish they hadn't done Japan already.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I read Aronofsky's draft of McQuarrie's script and it was quite brutal. Its honestly one of the best CBM screenplays I've ever read. Its nothing like what we got with Mangold. It opens with him working for the Japanese mob as a ruthless enforcer. Then he turns on them and its an all out war where he kills at least a hundred people. The brown and orange costume is featured in one scene.

Aronofsky clearly couldn't get them to approve the heavy 'R' content so he walked. Wish they hadn't done Japan already.

I thought he left because he didn't want to be away from his family?

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I thought he left because he didn't want to be away from his family?

Lol I never listen to official press statements. Its always PC nonsense so the exiting party doesn't make the studio look bad. Like Favreau with Marvel Studios (and Patty Jenkins, and Ava DuVernay, and Drew Goddard, and Edward Norton).

Only Edgar Wright & Joss Whedon have publicly vented their frustrations with the studio system after their departures. The problem is people actually buy some of this stuff.

Like at the Deadpool premiere I was in line waiting for the 7:00 o'clock and I was having a CBM convo with the guy next to me. He says to me "I wish Whedon was doing Infinity Wars." I say "Too bad the suits drove him out." He responded "What do you mean? I thought he was just exhausted?" I responded "A working director doesn't remove himself from tens of millions of dollars and notoriety over exhaustion, specially when said film exhaustion is allegedly preventing him from doing wouldn't go into production a full year after AOU."

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Wolverine 3 May Have Just Confirmed Two Huge Details - CINEMABLEND

Just more news of them trying to go R.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Wolverine 3 May Have Just Confirmed Two Huge Details - CINEMABLEND

Just more news of them trying to go R.

Old Man Logan is honestly the best way to go.

Its Mad Max meets Wolverine, and with an 'R' rating can actually be done right. The tricky part is tying it to the ongoing events of the other films. The way to do that is you give Red Skull's role to Apocalypse. So you basically do a cross between AOA & OML set in 2045 (20 years after the future scenes of DOFP) rather than 50 (Xavier & Magneto would be dead).

Xavier will take Hawkeye's role, Rogue can take Spider Woman/Ashley Barton's role, Sabretooth can take Hulk's role & Magneto can absorb Doom's.

 

[filip629]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I don't care if it's rated R or PG-13. Just make a damn good solo Wolverine movie already. Most of what we've seen already is borderline crap. IMO, Origins sucked and The Wolverine was a tad better. If they want to go for an R rating, all the better. Give us a great script to go with it.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I don't care if it's rated R or PG-13. Just make a damn good solo Wolverine movie already. Most of what we've seen already is borderline crap. IMO, Origins sucked and The Wolverine was a tad better. If they want to go for an R rating, all the better. Give us a great script to go with it.

Both Gavin Hood & David Benioff have expressed that Origins was conceptually a much better and far more violent film but once Rothman aimed it at the kids the movie was pretty much ****ed.

With The Wolverine, Jackman sought out Aronofsky who had just triumphed critically and commercially via [the heavy 'R' rated] Black Swan hoping that Rothman would just let the character off the kid-friendly leash, but he wouldn't budge. Rothman eventually left FOX but sadly after Aronofsky did. While we did get a much better film via Mangold, it still felt restrained for a movie about a guy who's supposed to be the world's greatest killer.

Inherently, Wolverine is like The Punisher and Deadpool. When he's on his own you're essentially watching a story where the protagonist is designed to kill effortlessly & is for the most part surrounded by others of his ilk. In a team film, you can do Wolverine properly and get away with a PG-13 rating (X2 did it brilliantly with the invasion scene at the school), but in a solo piece it is essential to showcase how brutally violent Wolvie can be and how common it is for him to take part in gruesome conflicts.

Its a damn shame that a TV show like The Walking Dead has gone further with its content and gotten it right on a budget 1/20 of either Wolverine film & done it with a format where you are not allowed one F-bomb or bare breast. Goes to show how wrong Rothman was with his view on the character.

Gladly now we're in a post-Rothman, post-Deadpool world where Jackman & Mangold can correct the mistakes that virtually neutered the character in his cinematic solo career.

My hope is Jackman rethinks his decision to vacate the role given that the content revolution Deadpool achieved finally allows for proper Wolverine movies to be made.

 

[pturtle]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Old Man Logan is honestly the best way to go.

Its Mad Max meets Wolverine, and with an 'R' rating can actually be done right. The tricky part is tying it to the ongoing events of the other films. The way to do that is you give Red Skull's role to Apocalypse. So you basically do a cross between AOA & OML set in 2045 (20 years after the future scenes of DOFP) rather than 50 (Xavier & Magneto would be dead).

Xavier will take Hawkeye's role, Rogue can take Spider Woman/Ashley Barton's role, Sabretooth can take Hulk's role & Magneto can absorb Doom's.

I'd prefer if Cyclops took over Hawkeye's role, but everything else you mentioned would be perfect.


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[Deckard]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Old Man Logan would be completely neutered. No Avengers/Red Skull means only the X-Men to be killed which makes a Super Villain take over of the world way less impressive. It also means Logan's revenge doesn't lie with Mysterio but whoever the big bad he kills halfway through the story is. You have to change his sidekick and that person's daughter. You can't have any of the other warlords in a really interesting way. You lose the Symbiote T-rex which is just really cool. And you lose your climactic battle with the Hulk and the awesomeness of seeing Wolverine eaten and clawing his way back out. Plus the very end there's no baby Hulk to help jump start a new generation of heroes.

Maybe if Fox still has the rights to Fantastic Four they can play around with a few things like replacing Red Skull with Dr. Doom as the lead Super Villain and the Fantastic Four dead as well, Mr. Sinister replaces Mysterio, Sabertooth replaces Hulk but you still lose a lot right there. Wolverine riding into the sunset with Sabertooth's kid doesn't sound nearly as cool. And it makes Wolverine pretty much completely responsible for the takeover since he kills all the X-Men which could be played up for the revenge angle but really makes the need for that many bad guys banding together seem unnecessary.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Old Man Logan would be completely neutered. No Avengers/Red Skull means only the X-Men to be killed which makes a Super Villain take over of the world way less impressive. It also means Logan's revenge doesn't lie with Mysterio but whoever the big bad he kills halfway through the story is. You have to change his sidekick and that person's daughter. You can't have any of the other warlords in a really interesting way. You lose the Symbiote T-rex which is just really cool. And you lose your climactic battle with the Hulk and the awesomeness of seeing Wolverine eaten and clawing his way back out. Plus the very end there's no baby Hulk to help jump start a new generation of heroes.

Maybe if Fox still has the rights to Fantastic Four they can play around with a few things like replacing Red Skull with Dr. Doom as the lead Super Villain and the Fantastic Four dead as well, Mr. Sinister replaces Mysterio, Sabertooth replaces Hulk but you still lose a lot right there. Wolverine riding into the sunset with Sabertooth's kid doesn't sound nearly as cool. And it makes Wolverine pretty much completely responsible for the takeover since he kills all the X-Men which could be played up for the revenge angle but really makes the need for that many bad guys banding together seem unnecessary.

Couldn't disagree more.

Substituting Hulk with Sabretooth makes the story ten times more intimate. He's basically going to raise his arch-nemesis' kid (which would make him his biological nephew in the filmverse).

Same goes for Xavier replacing Hawkeye. Its just so much more intimate when the supporting cast actually has history with the protagonist.

Also, there are no superheroes in this filmverse other than the X-Men so the absence of The Avengers won't be felt. FOX doesn't even (nor will) need to involve the FF.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I really don't care how Fox manipulates the story and the characters to make it fit in the universe. I just want to see people being gutted and dismembered.

 

[Bardoon]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Old Man Logan would be a great story, but does anyone think we've warped the X-Men movie timeline TOO much to the point where 'Old Man Logan' might confuse people again? Or we've already had too much X-Men storylines within different timelines/decades? I'm not talking about us comic book fans that can differentiate, but the broader audience and perhaps even Fox studio and the filmmakers. Keep in mind we've already seen 'First Class' as a "prequel/reboot". 'Days of Future Past' then 'reset' the timeline and corrected a few things but also displayed a dystopic future. Deadpool retconned portions of X-Men Origins: Wolverine (which likely was likely also retconned by "Days of Future Past"). We have "Apocalypse" coming as another potential catastrophic event causing Armageddon and a dystopic future.

I'm just saying...is it possible that the 'Old Man Logan' storyline with ANOTHER time setting and ANOTHER dystopic future potentially TOO much of that again TOO SOON in the X-Men universe?

 

[pturtle]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Couldn't disagree more.

Substituting Hulk with Sabretooth makes the story ten times more intimate. He's basically going to raise his arch-nemesis' kid (which would make him his biological nephew in the filmverse).

Same goes for Xavier replacing Hawkeye. Its just so much more intimate when the supporting cast actually has history with the protagonist.

Also, there are no superheroes in this filmverse other than the X-Men so the absence of The Avengers won't be felt. FOX doesn't even (nor will) need to involve the FF.

Exactly, people crying about sticking to the source material need to understand this is a different medium and an entirely different universe. These FoX-Men movies should look to the comics for inspiration, not as a script.

I really don't care how Fox manipulates the story and the characters to make it fit in the universe. I just want to see people being gutted and dismembered.

Yup, its not like Old Man Logan is some great piece of literature, its just needs to be crazy, fun, and violent while also showing Logan in a new light.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Old Man Logan would be a great story, but does anyone think we've warped the X-Men movie timeline TOO much to the point where 'Old Man Logan' might confuse people again? Or we've already had too much X-Men storylines within different timelines/decades? I'm not talking about us comic book fans that can differentiate, but the broader audience and perhaps even Fox studio and the filmmakers. Keep in mind we've already seen 'First Class' as a "prequel/reboot". 'Days of Future Past' then 'reset' the timeline and corrected a few things but also displayed a dystopic future. Deadpool retconned portions of X-Men Origins: Wolverine (which likely was likely also retconned by "Days of Future Past"). We have "Apocalypse" coming as another potential catastrophic event causing Armageddon and a dystopic future.

I'm just saying...is it possible that the 'Old Man Logan' storyline with ANOTHER time setting and ANOTHER dystopic future potentially TOO much of that again TOO SOON in the X-Men universe?

The continuity isn't as awful as some people make it out to be & is actually pretty straightforward if you separate everything into two timelines:

Timeline A

-X-Men: First Class (opens in '44; most of the film takes place in '62; end scenes in '63)
-X-Men Origins: Wolverine (opens in 1845; Logan & Creed meet Stryker in '73; majority of film takes place in '79)
-X-Men (opens in '44; majority of film takes place in 2012)
-X2: X-Men United (takes place in 2013)
-X-Men: The Last Stand (opening scenes take place in 1995 & 2005; majority of film takes place in 2015)
-The Wolverine (opens in '45; majority of the film takes place in 2016; stinger takes place in 2018)
-X-Men: Days of Future Past (original future setting takes place in 2025)

Timeline B

-X-Men: First Class (opens in '44; most of the film takes place in '62; end scenes in '63)
-X-Men Origins: Wolverine (everything before Creed & Logan leave Vietnam remains; everything after they meet Stryker is exclusive to Timeline A)
-X-Men: Days of Future Past (everything that happens in 1973 begins the new timeline)
-X-Men: Apocalypse (movie takes place in 1983)
-Deadpool (movie takes place in present-day 2016)
-Gambit (will probably take place in present-day 2017)
-Wolverine III (movie takes place post-2025)


Basically the only movie of the franchise that exists completely in both timelines is X-Men: First Class, everything else belongs to one or the other.

 

[pturtle]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I’m not really sure if Origins is still canon.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I’m not really sure if Origins is still canon.

Portions of Origins, specifically shots of Kayla & the moment where Creed breaks Logan's bone claws off appear in DOFP when Wolverine first recognizes Stryker.

Again, only the stuff that happens from 1845 - 1944 is what transfers over into Timeline B. The post-Vietnam stuff with the brothers being executed - which is what leads them to meet Stryker, takes place in that alternate 1973 that is exclusive to Timeline A.

In Timeline B's 1973 Logan meets Stryker in France while helping Xavier find Mystique.

 

[filip629]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Yup, its not like Old Man Logan is some great piece of literature, its just needs to be crazy, fun, and violent while also showing Logan in a new light.

I don't know. They tried adapting The Wolverine from the Wolvie mini series and failed badly as far as I'm concerned. I expect the same to happen if they want to adapt Old Man Logan as well. It's the writing that is sorely lacking in the Wolvie solo movies IMO.