Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

X24 was made of NECA plastic.

So he breaks easily?

 

[Khev]

Love this interview, Mangold doesn't pull any punches on big budget superhero movies, he just goes right to the jugular.

Even the whole cigar/bub schtick had to be sacrificed, he wanted Logan to be taken as seriously as possible.

Wow that was a really great interview. SO on the nose with regard to us getting numb to the $100-200 million spectacles superhero movies through at us 5-6 times a year now.

Yup one of my gripes.

We can run around Vegas with an assault team and weapons out but the Canadian border in the middle of nowhere with no one watching....OH NO, HIT THE BRAKES, IT'S THE CANADIAN FOREST!

 

[Khev]

I only realized the 'downer' aspect of it afterwards when I was thinking more about the movie, as I was more engrossed in the characters I suppose and seeing their sendoffs. I suppose you retain a sense of hope in the fact that there ARE mutant kids still around, and that they could form up and stand up against the evil corporations trying to control or wipe them out. Yes they were relentless killing machines, but they're young and still have hope, and perhaps Laura running into Charles and Logan can give her hope to strive to be 'different'.

Agreed and I'm not necessarily saying that the downer ending is a shortcoming but I do find myself wondering if it was the best way they could have gone. Maybe it was a good thing that it left US to fill in the blanks as to how optimistic the kids' futures are. We don't see their future because we follow Logan's journey and nothing more. We don't see their cheery future because he doesn't. Interesting food for thought and I agree that this is a movie that lingers with you.

 

[DiFabio]

How then do you come to terms with the ending of Logan?

X-Men has always been depressing and gloomy and the movies have been no different. The first X-Men literally opens up with this,





Rogue kills her boyfriend by kissing him and can never touch anyone, Wolverine has always been a mess, etc. etc. This carries over to the sequels as well. Nightcrawler's back story is sad. Professor X is imprisoned in the beginning of the story. Poor, innocent mutants like Stryker's son and Lady Deathstrike die in horrific ways despite not being in control of their actions. Jean Grey dies, By the time the audience gets to the third installment, Cyclops, Professor X and Jean are dead.

And if Days of Future Past is anything to go by, the X-Men were all destined to die in horrific ways, anyway. No matter what happens, they'll all die. Look at Cyclops, Xavier and Jean. It doesn't matter if it's 2006, 2023 or 2029, in every timeline they die. Every one of these outcomes are a dystopian future. Every ending, for the most part, has been bittersweet whether it's the foreboding one at the end of X1 where Erik warns Charles that they'll be coming for his children/students or the tearjerker at the end of Logan where it's not only the death of Charles and Logan, but the X-Men as well. Logan's story has always been sad, just not this sad. When you're blessed with immortality, you're guaranteed to see all your friends die and watch everything crumble.

Even the X-Men cartoons for kids were like this. In the very first episode, Morph (an X-Man and one of Wolverines good friends) is killed off by Sentinels and Beast is presumed dead. It was heavy, mature stuff for a Fox Kids animated show and more than half the episodes weren't much better. The X-Men were always were always distressed or dying, they were always in situations where mutants (and even humans) were wiped out/extinct.

 

[a-dev]

I just want to know what kind of hardware the Canadian military was packing in 2029 to have the Reaver's so terrified of crossing their border to chase some kids in a remote part of the wilderness. Pacific Rim-style Jaegers?

Yup one of my gripes.

We can run around Vegas with an assault team and weapons out but the Canadian border in the middle of nowhere with no one watching....OH NO, HIT THE BRAKES, IT'S THE CANADIAN FOREST!

My guess it's these guys:

Love this interview, Mangold doesn't pull any punches on big budget superhero movies, he just goes right to the jugular.

Even the whole cigar/bub schtick had to be sacrificed, he wanted Logan to be taken as seriously as possible.

I don't quite get why the cigar or him calling people bub in any way conflicted with what they were doing but....

Massive Spoilers Below

I know some of you who loved Logan were put off to varying degrees by the fact that The Force Awakens basically undid everything the heroes fought for and won at the end of Return of the Jedi. And after Rogue One I found myself agreeing with those folks.

How then do you come to terms with the ending of Logan? Literally everything Professor X worked to achieve for mutantkind was destroyed. All those years of the school, the sanctuary, empowering his students and "children," and then Logan reveals that it's all for naught because he up and kills them allegedly during a seizure fit. All mutants, wiped out, in large part by the man who devoted his whole life to protecting them from people who wanted to wipe them out.

So they all die, Xavier lives with that knowledge and guilt, then he dies, then so does Logan. And it's not like TFA where even though Han died there's still two more films in a trilogy where the good guys get to kick ass and emerge victorious. The X-Men are dead, over, and Logan's grave was as much for them as it was for himself. Do you guys like that that's what all prior movies all build up to? That they all fought the good fight and then utterly and completely lost?

What's the point of 90's X-Men Phoenix saga now that we know everyone's ultimate and highly depressing end? Isn't this just Alien 3 all over again in that the heroes "won" because they denied the government their prize bio-weapons but only by paying the ultimate price? And that's it? No hope, no better tomorrow, nothing.

Laura and those other kids really came across as remorseless killing machines, right up until the end, and we didn't get the slightest hint that they would in any way carry the torch that Xavier worked so hard to maintain when he was alive. Should we have gotten an epilogue like old Sarah Connor at the playground but with an adult Laura happily living her life with a husband and kids? Something to show the fruits of Charles' and Logan's sacrifice?

Ohhh dear. Yes. If there is any misgiving I have about the film it is this^ Is it maybe just too depressing?....I mean it was a quality film, moreso than Star Wars TFA IMO - and I guess that, ultimately, is why I think I can forgive here what I find extremely difficult to forgive with Star Wars. It's a tough one...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

 

[crows]

what did he mean by this?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

what did he mean by this?

It's crazy Mel, so who knows?

That's the face he makes when he sees his favorite people.

 

[DiFabio]

tfw the Zyklon B just isn't enough

 

[ironwez20]

X-Men has always been depressing and gloomy and the movies have been no different. The first X-Men literally opens up with this,





Rogue kills her boyfriend by kissing him and can never touch anyone, Wolverine has always been a mess, etc. etc. This carries over to the sequels as well. Nightcrawler's back story is sad. Professor X is imprisoned in the beginning of the story. Poor, innocent mutants like Stryker's son and Lady Deathstrike die in horrific ways despite not being in control of their actions. Jean Grey dies, By the time the audience gets to the third installment, Cyclops, Professor X and Jean are dead.

And if Days of Future Past is anything to go by, the X-Men were all destined to die in horrific ways, anyway. No matter what happens, they'll all die. Look at Cyclops, Xavier and Jean. It doesn't matter if it's 2006, 2023 or 2029, in every timeline they die. Every one of these outcomes are a dystopian future. Every ending, for the most part, has been bittersweet whether it's the foreboding one at the end of X1 where Erik warns Charles that they'll be coming for his children/students or the tearjerker at the end of Logan where it's not only the death of Charles and Logan, but the X-Men as well. Logan's story has always been sad, just not this sad. When you're blessed with immortality, you're guaranteed to see all your friends die and watch everything crumble.

Even the X-Men cartoons for kids were like this. In the very first episode, Morph (an X-Man and one of Wolverines good friends) is killed off by Sentinels and Beast is presumed dead. It was heavy, mature stuff for a Fox Kids animated show and more than half the episodes weren't much better. The X-Men were always were always distressed or dying, they were always in situations where mutants (and even humans) were wiped out/extinct.

Jeez. Wow your right. Man what a mind ****.

 

[ironwez20]

At this point i'm hoping Fox gets Thor away from Marvel lol.

Whys that?

 

[SNIKT1950]

At this point i'm hoping Fox gets Thor away from Marvel lol.

Yep, Thor is destined to star in **** movies until Feige is fired.

 

[DarthTrafford]

For those who saw this.
Is there any mid credit scenes?

 

[RIDDICK]

Even the whole cigar/bub schtick had to be sacrificed
he wanted Logan to be taken as seriously as possible.

Yeah, right.
That's why there's a pointless meta comic book gag and a boring-childish-melodramatic third act.

 

[jye4ever]

Whys that?

Nah only kidding I just wanted to be Snik for a day lol.

The MCU is what it is, like Mangold said MCU has to cater to everyone from 8 year olds to 50 year old so their hands are somewhat tied.

Look at me, Fox lost out on my son's box office because I didn't take him to Logan and I go multiple times.

I don't think Disney would like to hear that.

Disney is there to provide entertainment for the whole family because that is big money but I also need that form of storytelling so that my son can also enjoy the superhero and Star Wars stuff.

Logan is a nice once in awhile gift to us serious adults.

I'm sure Snik is already dreaming of a hard R Logan/Rambo 4 style Star Wars movie lol.

Besides there's no guarantee that Fox will continue to create quality R rated material like Logan.

 

[EVILFACE]

Oh yea, hard R star wars. Vader force squeezing heads as they explode with ooze and Leia flashes her young cgi bewbs.

 

[jye4ever]

And ghost Yoda yells F ****!

I guess my point is that not everything needs to be R for it to be good.

But I do love listening to Mangold speak, he really is a Man Gold!

He reminds me of 1970/1980 John Milius.

Gareth Edwards is another director I like listening too.

 

[EVILFACE]

True. I enjoyed the Logan graphic violence and vulgar language and also enjoyed X2 gore-less violence and non-vulgar language.

I'll listen to Mangold video later.

 

[jye4ever]

True. I enjoyed the Logan graphic violence and vulgar language and also enjoyed X2 gore-less violence and non-vulgar language.

I'll listen to Mangold video later.

The guy doesn't hold back he just says that the massive budgets of the MCU/WB movies hasn't helped improve the quality and that it was liberating working off a small budget while concentrating on an adult audience only and I love that he says that the audience has a hard time connecting with invading big monsters from space (cough Doomsday/Thanos) but an ailing family member we all have experienced.

Yup.

But talk is cheap so thankfully Logan delivered the goods.

We still need to be entertained afterall.

But like you said there's room in out hearts to love both OT and Logan, Robocop and True Lies, Die Hard and Raiders.

 

[theuzi9mm]

For those who saw this.
Is there any mid credit scenes?

negative nor post credits either.