Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[jye4ever]

Gimp suit after that scene then, at the forest climax, problem solved.

 

[batfan08]

Gimp suit after that scene then, at the forest climax, problem solved.

So, then we get to see Wolvie get his ass mangled by some pansy in latex? Nah, bro.

 

[jye4ever]

Real life sucks.

 

[YoNoSe]

"Hey is that Tony the Tiger in this Canadian forest? Oh **** it's my stupid clone! LOL!"

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

X24 in costume would've been lame as ****, and it would've totally messed with the thematic perfection that is Charles confusedly thinking Logan betrayed him if he showed up, snarling, in a bright yellow gimp suit.

Nothing says stealth like a yellow gimp suit.

 

[Khev]

Yeah costumes are stupid. Batman should stop wearing them too.

 

[a-dev]

lol so true.



I thought Khev provided a very compelling and logical reason why X24 should've been in yellow costume.

X24 being in costume would've been an insult to Logan but not because Logan would be jealous of it, because Logan hated that version of himself.

Right, is that what you're protesting?

I was agreeing with what Junkion said - that if they'd put X24 in the costume people who wanted to see Jackman in the costume would still be pissed because firstly it'd be a case of too little too late and secondly it's not even the real Wolverine.

However, I don't think it would have been a good idea no matter what. The comic Wolverine outfit was never deemed appropriate in all the preceding films and it would be even less appropriate in the most tonally 'real world' movie of the entire series.

I'm reminded of the whole Man of Steel not using the John Williams Superman theme discussion from years ago. I was basically saying that you can't have Superman without that music, it's not really him if you don't give him that theme. Others were saying ''look, that's just not the tone they're going for here. They couldn't use that music with these visuals, with these serious characters and events''. I sort of begrudgingly had to accept that with the caveat of ''well, so be it, but don't expect me to call this Superman''. Same thing here really. Wolverine's comic outfit belongs in a far more comic-booky world than the Fox X-men films actually presented. People are free to hold that against the Fox X-men films while others can and do very much like what they did.

I have no doubt though that when they do actually fully reboot the X-men universe they will go full comic-book...because quite simply what else would there be to do.

 

[YoNoSe]

Yeah costumes are stupid. Batman should stop wearing them too.

Not all of them.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah costumes are stupid. Batman should stop wearing them too.

He did, when he finally grew up, got over his childhood trauma, and moved to Italy

 

[YoNoSe]

I was agreeing with what Junkion said - that if they'd put X24 in the costume people who wanted to see Jackman in the costume would still be pissed because firstly it'd be a case of too little too late and secondly it's not even the real Wolverine.

However, I don't think it would have been a good idea no matter what. The comic Wolverine outfit was never deemed appropriate in all the preceding films and it would be even less appropriate in the most tonally 'real world' movie of the entire series.

I'm reminded of the whole Man of Steel not using the John Williams Superman theme discussion from years ago. I was basically saying that you can't have Superman without that music, it's not really him if you don't give him that theme. Others were saying ''look, that's just not the tone they're going for here. They couldn't use that music with these visuals, with these serious characters and events''. I sort of begrudgingly had to accept that with the caveat of ''well, so be it, but don't expect me to call this Superman''. Same thing here really. Wolverine's comic outfit belongs in a far more comic-booky world than the Fox X-men films actually presented. People are free to hold that against the Fox X-men films while others can and do very much like what they did.

I have no doubt though that when they do actually fully reboot the X-men universe they will go full comic-book...because quite simply what else would there be to do.

I was watching Apocalypse for the second time last night on HBO (I think) and it was - to get downright millennial - pretty cringey when one of them says "hey guys - flight suits!" to justify them wearing matching costumes in the finale. Kudos to First Class for somehow pulling of the last-act getups but in general I agree - even all-black biker costumes are kind of hard to believe in the the current x-multi-universe.

 

[jye4ever]

I was agreeing with what Junkion said - that if they'd put X24 in the costume people who wanted to see Jackman in the costume would still be pissed because firstly it'd be a case of too little too late and secondly it's not even the real Wolverine.

However, I don't think it would have been a good idea no matter what. The comic Wolverine outfit was never deemed appropriate in all the preceding films and it would be even less appropriate in the most tonally 'real world' movie of the entire series.

I'm reminded of the whole Man of Steel not using the John Williams Superman theme discussion from years ago. I was basically saying that you can't have Superman without that music, it's not really him if you don't give him that theme. Others were saying ''look, that's just not the tone they're going for here. They couldn't use that music with these visuals, with these serious characters and events''. I sort of begrudgingly had to accept that with the caveat of ''well, so be it, but don't expect me to call this Superman''. Same thing here really. Wolverine's comic outfit belongs in a far more comic-booky world than the Fox X-men films actually presented. People are free to hold that against the Fox X-men films while others can and do very much like what they did.

I have no doubt though that when they do actually fully reboot the X-men universe they will go full comic-book...because quite simply what else would there be to do.

Oh ok now I understand.

Even though Logan was the most grounded I think it would've worked because Alkali Transigen was such an ugly organization that I could see them taking pleasure in dressing up their creations in obnoxious costumes just to be dicks.

Regarding MOS, the JW score has no business being in that movie because that music requires visuals of Superman embracing who he is and being happy to serve humanity and there was none of that in MOS. I also think the score is the least of Snyder's Superman problems.

But getting back to Wolverine another way of showing off the costume would've been for Logan to wear it during his final assault as an embracement of his heroic self, that would've also worked.

Either X24 or Logan should've donned the costume in this movie, there are enough scenarios to justify both.

 

[jye4ever]

How did Logan get his claws back after getting them chopped off in Wolverine.

Let me guess, Timeline B?

Look at the start of The Wolverine, Jackman squinting thru the slit in his japan jail cell, he looks just like Eastwood squinting during the civil war bridge battle in Good Bad Ugly.

 

[jye4ever]

Logan, Hugh Jackman’s final, moving outing as Wolverine, was certainly not without its gloomy moments. Pretty much all of the mutants — including some pretty beloved characters — are gone, and pretty much only Professor X and Logan are left. However, at one point the film contained a scene that talk explained what, exactly, happened to one of the most important people in Logan and Professor X’s life: Jean Grey.


As director James Mangold told Empire, the deleted Jean Grey scene would’ve taken place during the dinner scene at the Munson’s farm around the middle of the movie. Spoilers from here on out.


As we learn through a radio news report that Logan quickly switches off, several of the X-Men died because Professor X has a degenerative brain disease. When he had a seizure of some sort at his school in Westchester, it led to the deaths of his beloved students and team. The final cut of the movie doesn’t specify who exactly dies, but the original draft revealed that Jean was one of the casualties.



As Mangold explains:

I sketched out different conversations for that dinner scene and one of them went to a much darker place. Mrs. Munson asks Logan if he’s married, and Charles says he was – but he killed her. Of course, he wasn’t really married, but what that then spawns is Charles waxing poetic about Jean Grey, and it’s a really cool moment. Both Hugh and Patrick were amazing.


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Mangold decided to remove the scene from the final cut of the film because “it created an incredibly powerful lead brick in the middle of the only moment in the movie where there was a breather. Even I, with my taste for the dark, felt that it was one too many. Things go pretty ****** within seconds after that.”


Mangold says that the deleted scene, will probably appear on the Blu-Ray when it comes out, so we’ll all have to look for it then and cry all over again.

 

[Khev]

Whoa, stop the press, doesn't X-24 wear pretty much this exact same outfit? It was actually my second favorite costume from the comics and it never even occurred to me that it made an appearance in the movie.

So I actually redact my complaints about his look, I'm totally cool with that. What they *could* have done was have him in that black outfit for the night attack at the farmhouse and then the brown costume in the woods at the end. And him being taken out by the shotgun blast to the head earlier would have been a great excuse for the Reavers to give him a bulletproof cowl to go with the brown.

 

[Khev]

But getting back to Wolverine another way of showing off the costume would've been for Logan to wear it during his final assault as an embracement of his heroic self, that would've also worked.

Either X24 or Logan should've donned the costume in this movie, there are enough scenarios to justify both.

Yeah, if they wanted "Logan" in costume they could have said he swallowed his pride to humor Laura's love of the comics. I mean he already humored her with Eden, why not go the extra mile?

Watched about half of X1 for the first time in a LOOONG while. Interesting that his story begins by crossing paths with a young mutant girl fleeing north...

And then him giving her a ride is what brings him into the entire world of the X-Men. Then in the final film he has that chance to ignore her this time because he assumes it will end just as badly for her as everyone else yet against his better judgment he takes her in and this time lives to see her get to walk away.

He kind of does come full circle in a Rocky Balboa kind of way. Pretty cool.

 

[a-dev]

Oh ok now I understand.

Even though Logan was the most grounded I think it would've worked because Alkali Transigen was such an ugly organization that I could see them taking pleasure in dressing up their creations in obnoxious costumes just to be dicks.

But getting back to Wolverine another way of showing off the costume would've been for Logan to wear it during his final assault as an embracement of his heroic self, that would've also worked.

Either X24 or Logan should've donned the costume in this movie, there are enough scenarios to justify both.

Hmmm. I have to disagree with this one.

Regarding MOS, the JW score has no business being in that movie because that music requires visuals of Superman embracing who he is and being happy to serve humanity and there was none of that in MOS. I also think the score is the least of Snyder's Superman problems.

It is the least of their problems, I will agree with that. The MOS score is actually very good. My biggest issue is that I don't think they should have made a Superman for whom the John Williams score isn't appropriate. Because I daresay if you've done that then you probably don't have a Superman, you've got an 'in name only' scenario.

How did Logan get his claws back after getting them chopped off in Wolverine.

Let me guess, Timeline B?

That's what I don't like about the Fox-men films. They write things in that create problems for other films and their way of dealing with it tended to be...''lets just ignore that, who'll even notice'' - because, as we all know, comic fans and sci-fi fantasy geeks have no ****s to give about minutiae.

 

[a-dev]

Yeah, if they wanted "Logan" in costume they could have said he swallowed his pride to humor Laura's love of the comics. I mean he already humored her with Eden, why not go the extra mile?

There is the problem of where would they even get the costume...

 

[Khev]

 

[Khev]

Obviously the most organic way of introducing a more comic book-y costume would just be to have X-24 wearing it in the forest. For Logan himself they'd obviously have to change things a bit to explain why he had one. Maybe in fleeing the farm they steal one of the Reaver's trucks that had a stash of X-24's gear that he later dons to counter his weakened healing factor. *shrugs*

But as I mentioned above now that I see that X-24 *did* wear a comic accurate costume (even if it wasn't the most iconic) I'm pretty much good.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Movie Logan wore his trademark movie costume, white tank top and jeans.

They even had the kids give Wolvie his trademark facial hair for his final battle.

That's good enough. No need for some silly yellow or brown costume.

Save the costume for the next actor.