Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[SNIKT1950]

X-24 had absolutely no reason to be in costume. No costumes needed to be in this movie.

 

[Johnny1378]

How did Logan get his claws back after getting them chopped off in Wolverine.

Let me guess, Timeline B?

Look at the start of The Wolverine, Jackman squinting thru the slit in his japan jail cell, he looks just like Eastwood squinting during the civil war bridge battle in Good Bad Ugly.

Yeah, that's always bothered me too. Robo-Samurai chopped off his metal claws in "The Wolverine." His bone claws grew back, but of course the adamantium didn't. And I think the fact that he had adamantium claws again at the beginning of "Days of Future Past" would preclude an alternate timeline as being an explanation. I've always felt that sometime between when Magneto and Professor X met him in the airport to ask for his help (in the stinger at the end of The Wolverine) and the events of "Days of Future Past," Magneto must have used his power to help him graft new metal back onto his claws. But that was just my theory. They never give an official explanation. For that matter, they never explain how Charles is even alive at all, after Jean Grey disintegrated him, while she was Phoenix, in X-Men 3 (If we count the post credit scene at the end of X3, he did transfer his consciousness to a coma patient, but why does he appear to be back in his own body), or the myriad other inconsistencies throughout the series.

 

[Jedha Patrol]

Saw it last night....wow amazing movie

 

[jye4ever]

Going for my 2nd today looking forward to sinking in my seat, punched in the gut and being somber again.

 

[Khev]

jye did you see kara's review? He liked it less than Apocalypse.

 

[jye4ever]

GTFO you're messing with me lol

 

[Khev]

Yep check the Rate/Review your last movie thread. He pretty much summed it up with "No Mystique, no Logan getting his ass kicked every fight, no Magneto lifting things, no likey."

 

[Darth Snoopy]

*snicker*

 

[jye4ever]

Yep check the Rate/Review your last movie thread. He pretty much summed it up with "No Mystique, no Logan getting his ass kicked every fight, no Magneto lifting things, no likey."

kara's xmen comic wisdom and cinematic tastes can no longer be trusted.

I do not have the courage to read his review lol.

 

[karamazov80]

Yep check the Rate/Review your last movie thread. He pretty much summed it up with "No Mystique, no Logan getting his ass kicked every fight, no Magneto lifting things, no likey."

Thanks for quoting me verbatim [emoji38]

I enjoyed Logan a lot. But I'm not sure I agree with all the critical fawning it is receiving. If you take away the Walking Dead level shocks, how would it hold up? Or if you kept everything more or less the same, but take the popular comic character out of the equation? I think out would be a good, not great, western type film. I saw Hell or High Water last week and thought it was a more effective exploration of a flawed antihero who is beat down by the world struggling against a seemingly overwhelming opponent to ensure the well being of children.

Apocalypse could have been really really good if they had done a better job in the editing room imo.

Is Logan the best solo Wolvie movie? Definitely. Is it nice to see a comic movie defying conventions? Yes. Was it nice to see Wolvie with the gloves totally off? Yes, and it made sense inn this world. Was the story clearly and effectively told, with characters you can really relate to? Absolutely. Did it build on the existing x mythos? To some extent. I think the tone is in line, and this is what Snyder wishes he had the skill to pull off. But was I driven to tears as others apparently were? No. Not even close. Did I walk away feeling completely satisfied? Not really.

Keep in mind Wolvie was my favorite childhood comic character, so I go into all of these with some baggage that can work for or against a movie.

 

[Khev]

Thanks for quoting me verbatim [emoji38]

No problem.

I actually agree with almost all of your assessment, if you go back in this thread you'll see that I didn't get the emotional payoff or satisfaction I was looking for with regard to Xavier, Logan, or Pierce's death which had me leaving the theater also thinking "good but not great." I don't think it's totally fair to ask "but would it have been as good without the brutal violence or Jackman's beloved character" though because obviously they constructed the entire movie around those elements.

Yes Logan could have been worse had they done things differently and Apocalypse could have been better if THAT movie had been done differently. But they are what they are, not what they aren't.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[karamazov80]

And based on that, I prefer Apocalypse! The thing I'm trying to get at is basing a film on it's merits as much as one can, putting my own biases aside. But of course, that's always hard.

I was not sure what message Mangold was trying to send with the kids killing Pierce that way. A generous interpretation is that he was trying to evoke conflicting emotions of satisfaction and revulsion as Cronenberg often does. But I'm not convinced it was all that deep. Is it just that over the top killing by all is all there is in this society and time? Or just something he thought would make for a cool visual?

I saw the kids referenced as new mutants, and a couple-Rictor and Bobby-had new mutant names. Intentional?

 

[DiFabio]

I will say that while I teared up when Logan died, I do agree that Pierce's death wasn't a very fulfilling payoff. But that falls under one of my original gripes, those ****ing Mutie kids. The grass and the ice and the crunching was weird. Those freaks aren't heroes and I'd like to think when they reach the border, they get annihilated (given the tone of the film).

 

[karamazov80]

I will say that while I teared up when Logan died, I do agree that Pierce's death wasn't a very fulfilling payoff. But that falls under one of my original gripes, those ****ing Mutie kids. The grass and the ice and the crunching was weird. Those freaks aren't heroes and I'd like to think when they reach the border, they get annihilated (given the tone of the film).

Felt more like the power pack than new mutants most of the time.

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[emoji38]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

When Pierce was killed and we see that shot from his POV of all those kids hands killing him, it reminded me of Children of the Corn, or the movie Freaks, when the "sideshow freaks" get the villain.

 

[Khev]

I was not sure what message Mangold was trying to send with the kids killing Pierce that way. A generous interpretation is that he was trying to evoke conflicting emotions of satisfaction and revulsion as Cronenberg often does.

You know based on your love of A History of Violence I wondered if injecting your favorite character into a similar setting would make this your greatest dream come true. Guess not. While the kids did nothing for me I actually did feel a level of Cronenberg-esque satisfaction/revulsion watching Laura in action. I was constantly "yeah, rip that guys face off little girl! Wait, what, this is terrible!"

But I'm not convinced it was all that deep. Is it just that over the top killing by all is all there is in this society and time? Or just something he thought would make for a cool visual?

I'm guessing it was the former. I mean I found the automated 18 wheelers to be just as terrifying as any of the villains and no one seemed to blink an eye at them. Dr. Benton also seemed like he was living on borrowed time and was due for a violent end because even he seemed to escalate things too quickly with his .45 when the pickup truck goons showed up.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Pierce got what he deserved. That's the point. Its not complicated. He helped "put to sleep" many of the kids back in Mexico.

When I read mixed reactions to Logan they usually revolve around the morose and violent nature of the movie. But life is violent and morose. The problem is the MCU has people spoon-fed with their happy-go-lucky formula to the point that now its hard for them to get a dose of realism with their CBMs.

When Inarritu says CBMs are garbage he's referring directly to those that have no desire to explore real themes and torments.

I feel Logan dropped at a perfect time given that just six months ago people were raving about that crapola Doctor Strange.

 

[jye4ever]

I loved the kids killing Pierce, I just didn't like the silly grass.

I wanted them to pop his head Scanners style!

Murderous Punisher kids = awesome

Grass death = lame

 

[Khev]

I loved the kids killing Pierce, I just didn't like the silly grass.

Grass death = lame

Didn't Uma Thurman suffer a similar fate in Batman & Robin?