Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[jye4ever]

I think I will have to give this movie some time to settle before I can rank it as an artistic/filmmaking achievement. But it can't rival Dark Knight. No other comic movie can at this point imo.

I'll gladly trade some artistic achievements for extra violence.

Unless you enjoy watching Bail Organa wobbling his knees to show that he was shot in the knees by Joker.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Unless you enjoy watching Bail Organa wobbling his knees to show that he was shot in the knees by Joker.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'll gladly trade some artistic achievements for extra violence.

Unless you enjoy watching Bail Organa wobbling his knees to show that he was shot in the knees by Joker.

You mean William Fichter? Jimmy Smits played Organa.

 

[DiFabio]

I'll gladly trade some artistic achievements for extra violence.

Unless you enjoy watching Bail Organa wobbling his knees to show that he was shot in the knees by Joker.

That's one reason I'll always have trouble taking TDK as seriously as so many people do on here.

It always bothered me how non-violent it is. I'm not saying we needed to see some Departed level executions, gore, blood squibs or a character bleeding out, but the movie is waaaaay too sterile. I've always found that "grittiness" people speak of to be a meme, a joke. They could have atleast given the Joker a missing tooth, a bloody nose or something after the interrogation scene. All the characters come off as cartoon characters where the harm inflicted on them aren't even evident. Batman and Joker could punch and stab the **** out of each other and nothing would happen. There aren't any consequences other than laying on the ground, pretending you are dead. That pool table scene where the Joker kills Gambol for instance just doesn't hold up well. It's not horrific, it's not scary. There were other more creative ways to play up his death than the silent, off screen stab with cheesy horror movie tune.

I'm not saying lack of blood makes it a bad movie, it's good, but I'll never see it as some serious film that elevates the genre. It's a ****ing PG-13 Batman comic book movie.



That alone gives Logan the edge in my opinion, not to mention it's a more emotional and heartfelt journey than anything that happens in TDK (I dunno about other people but I was happy when Rachel died ).

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's strange how they can't show blood, but they could show Harvey's face burning away

I wish Nolan/WB could release an R rated version for the 10th anniversary. They wont.

 

[DiFabio]

It's strange how they can't show blood, but they could show Harvey's face burning away

I wish Nolan/WB could release an R rated version for the 10th anniversary. They wont.

Yeah it would have been better in a few places, it needed it. It wasn't the censors or MPAA, that's just Nolan's style when you read the making of books. It's the same deal with sex. There are probably raunchier conversations that go on in a middle school playground than anything that happens in the Nolan Batman movies.

We discussed this before, but originally the interrogation scene had Joker getting bloodied and battered with each hit but Nolan opted out of it. That imagery would have been fantastic, especially with the Joker laughing.

TDK would still have been PG-13 with some good old fashioned blood. Didn't need an R rating or claws going through a guy's face or arm pit to give it some reality and edge.

 

[batfan08]

That's one reason I'll always have trouble taking TDK as seriously as so many people do on here.

It always bothered me how non-violent it is. I'm not saying we needed to see some Departed level executions, gore, blood squibs or a character bleeding out, but the movie is waaaaay too sterile. I've always found that "grittiness" people speak of to be a meme, a joke. They could have atleast given the Joker a missing tooth, a bloody nose or something after the interrogation scene. All the characters come off as cartoon characters where the harm inflicted on them aren't even evident. Batman and Joker could punch and stab the **** out of each other and nothing would happen. There aren't any consequences other than laying on the ground, pretending you are dead. That pool table scene where the Joker kills Gambol for instance just doesn't hold up well. It's not horrific, it's not scary. There were other more creative ways to play up his death than the silent, off screen stab with cheesy horror movie tune.

I'm not saying lack of blood makes it a bad movie, it's good, but I'll never see it as some serious film that elevates the genre. It's a ****ing PG-13 Batman comic book movie.



That alone gives Logan the edge in my opinion, not to mention it's a more emotional and heartfelt journey than anything that happens in TDK (I dunno about other people but I was happy when Rachel died ).

I always had a big problem with the Gambol thing because, honestly: how does that kill somebody? Like, I can assume he'd have him killed after, but getting your mouth cut open like that doesn't seem like something that would kill you, so much as something that would leave you screaming in agony in a pool of your own blood on the floor? That whole dramatic "falling to the ground" thing doesn't make sense to me because, best guess, he just passed out from the excruciating pain.

 

[Khev]

Yep that has always annoyed me about both TDK and TDKR. I never feel like I'm watching a serious crime movie with PG-13 violence. No they feel like serious crime movies with *PG* level violence which is just bizarre.

Compare that to all the spraying blood, exit wounds, etc., of Cap: First Avenger. Hell Steve gets more bloodied in his little scrap in the alley than anyone who actually dies in the Nolan movies.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Cap TFA could have been a great movie. The moment Steve gets put in the USO the movie goes to ****.

Its rare when a movie opens so strong and yet plummets so disturbingly forty minutes in.

 

[Khev]

Yeah once I realized that Cap wasn't going to fight his evil twin and that Red Skull wasn't going to get smothered by a putting green I knew it was going to be crap.

I kid, I kid...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

TDKR had blood.

See, look!!

Look at that "R" wound!!

Which proves once and for all why TDKR is superior and way better than TDK/BB

also better than CA

 

[DiFabio]

TDKR had blood.

See, look!!

Look at that "R" wound!!

Which proves once and for all why TDKR is superior and way better than TDK/BB

also better than CA

Bro that's nothing, look at that pathetic dry blood.


Now THIS is some graphic material. Viewer discretion is advised.






Look at that ninja ****oo boi, that puts Begins over the top

Begins > TDKR > TDK

 

[Khev]

I've seen gorier commercials for ProActiv.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Bro that's nothing, look at that pathetic dry blood.


Now THIS is some graphic material. Viewer discretion is advised.



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Look at that ninja ****oo boi, that puts Begins over the top

Begins > TDKR > TDK

Whoa! Blood in the ear and mouth are a sign of internal hemorrhaging.

I underestimated BB.

 

[Khev]

At least with BB I never felt like I was watching an R rated film that was edited for network television. BB's PG-13 violence felt right for the story which is yet another reason it's the best film of the trilogy.

 

[batfan08]

Lau be on top of that pile of money, burning alive, and he doesn't make a peep. That's one tough mother****er.

 

[DiFabio]

Lau be on top of that pile of money, burning alive, and he doesn't make a peep. That's one tough mother****er.

It's like the movie just forgets that he's up there struggling, don't even get a reaction shot.

 

[Khev]

I guess he wasn't a squealer after all.

 

[KryptoSlush]

Lau be on top of that pile of money, burning alive, and he doesn't make a peep. That's one tough mother****er.

Isn't he gagged and tied up?

 

[DiFabio]

Isn't he gagged and tied up?

Just tied.