Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[KryptoSlush]

It's like the movie just forgets that he's up there struggling, don't even get a reaction shot.

I love how Joker probably forgot he was up there too, when he lit the money pile on fire. Either that or he just didn't give a damn. Either way, it's perfect.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Logan's last words





Poor Jye, first the grass and now this.

 

[KryptoSlush]

When Laura says "daddy" just...the tears start rolling. I saw it for my second time today and the movie was even more rewarding and emotional.

 

[jye4ever]

lol @ last few pages

Just returned from 2nd viewing.

I don't know why it didn't impact me the first time but this time my wife and I and I think the entire audience were crying.

The movie held up wonderfully!

The feels are real!

Sorry TDK but.....

Logan > TDK > CW > TWS > BB

Logan > any other XM or Wolverine movie.

Logan will hold up for years to come.

TDK is a nice cute safe movie trying to act all gritty and tough.

Logan is the real deal.

 

[karamazov80]

Two very different films.

The Dark Knight aside from being the CBM to end all CBMs is first and foremost a crime drama. Like The French Connection in the 70s & Heat in the 90s, its the police procedural of its time. Its a war between the law and those that challenge it, set in a concrete jungle.

Logan on the other hand is a neo-western. Like No Country for Old Men & Hell or High Water its a movie about good men doing bad things to get by. A movie where people are on the run both literally and figuratively, in a hurry to do something right before going out in a blaze.

Of course, they are different. But I was asked, and if you're doing an apples to oranges comparison, I have to go on what my overall "score" would be for each, in terms of being a successful film at what they are attempting to be. Both of these films do a good job, but Dark Knight still easily takes the cake for me. I've read and re-read the various criticisms, but to my eyes anyway, nearly each of those is a nitpick. It is a masterful film, that opened my eyes to how a comic movie can really hold up in relation to any other movie out there from Scorsese, Fincher, the Coens, etc.

Logan. . .I just don't feel it is quite there, though I did enjoy it quite a bit and will probably buy it. Something I almost never do with movies. But I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. I'm very happy another X-movie is getting great critical acclaim, as that should push back the perennial arguments that Marvel Studios needs to "take over" and turn X-Men into the Avengers B-team. I don't see a Marvel Studios movie ever going this X-TREME I'm curious to see if everyone's excitement holds up over time, though. These things always tend to get more excitement and love when they're new.

 

[jye4ever]

What helps TDK immensely is the Joker.

Joker was a better villain than any single villain from Logan.

But remove Joker and oh oh TDK is in trouble because Dent's fall certainly isn't in the same league as Ledger's Joker.

But with Logan we had 4 strong protagonists who were just as interesting when dealing with each other as they were when dealing with the villains.

 

[Khev]

I'll say this about Logan, it's never boring (even with long periods of no action) and has no cringeworthy dialogue or performances. TDK cannot make the same claim.

 

[karamazov80]

As someone else pointed out earlier about an earlier Logan comment I made, though, trying to take the Joker out of Dark Knight wouldn't work at all. The whole story revolves around him. But you're right I think. The whole structure of the film would have to be changed if Dent was really meant to be the focus in himself. He was mostly a pawn in Joker's plan against Batman.

Who was the 4th protagonist in Logan? You have Wolvie himself, and the girl, and I guess Prof. X is your third (though I think of him as a straight up supporting character). Black guy from ER?

I'll say the about Logan, it's never boring and has no cringeworthy dialogue or performances. TDK cannot make the same claim.

The pacing is methodical, and often that leads to "boring" comments, but I am in total agreement there. But then, I feel the same way about Dark Knight.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'll say this about Logan, it's never boring (even with long periods of no action) and has no cringeworthy dialogue or performances. TDK cannot make the same claim.

This was soooo welcome. For a comicbook movie it was nice that people actually talked like people for a change.

 

[jye4ever]

As someone else pointed out earlier about an earlier Logan comment I made, though, trying to take the Joker out of Dark Knight wouldn't work at all. The whole story revolves around him. But you're right I think. The whole structure of the film would have to be changed if Dent was really meant to be the focus in himself. He was mostly a pawn in Joker's plan against Batman.

Who was the 4th protagonist in Logan? You have Wolvie himself, and the girl, and I guess Prof. X is your third (though I think of him as a straight up supporting character). Black guy from ER?


The pacing is methodical, and often that leads to "boring" comments, but I am in total agreement there. But then, I feel the same way about Dark Knight.

Caliban, what an incredible performance and he played an integral part in helping Logan and X23 escape from the farm after having their ***** handed to them.

I would also like to add that Wolverine's scream in the forest during the climax is my favorite Wolverine moment from any of the Fox movies. His yell gave me goosebumps.

 

[Shawpaw]

Finally saw this today. As a dad of a daughter, it hit me hard watching them share those moments. When she started holding his hand during burial scene, it got me. Watching her be upset at him for not showing he cared, got me. That final scene, got me. Really good movie. I actually liked the villains. Very realistic and unique. Definitely loved the flow and gore.

A+ from me. Ranks up there with Nolan movies and TWS.

 

[karamazov80]

This was soooo welcome. For a comicbook movie it was nice that people actually talked like people for a change.

Yeah, one thing that did jump out to me was that the film respected the audience more than most comic movies did. You didn't have to be shown whatever it was that Xavier did a year ago. You knew what the result was. X-23 acted like an actual little girl from time to time. Xavier felt like a real, old person with degenerative brain, and other health issues. Wolverine acted like an actual, worn down, borderline suicidal alcoholic. His killing didn't feel out of place because from the first time you see him you can an idea for where he is emotionally. Stephen Merchant felt like someone who was going out of his way to repent for past deeds out of guilt.

To take another comic example, think about the Avengers movies. Whether it's Cap, or Hawkeye, or Thor, or Stark, or Widow, they all seem so polished and sure of themselves, and like they're putting on a show for each other and the audience. In Logan, it is more like you could be a fly on the wall, watching more real-type people interact.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The only thing that hurts Logan for me is how they telegraphed X24's demise 20 minutes before it happens.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid film.

 

[jye4ever]

Finally saw this today. As a dad of a daughter, it hit me hard watching them share those moments. When she started holding his hand during burial scene, it got me. Watching her be upset at him for not showing he cared, got me. That final scene, got me. Really good movie. I actually liked the villains. Very realistic and unique. Definitely loved the flow and gore.

A+ from me. Ranks up there with Nolan movies and TWS.

Very nice

Yeah, one thing that did jump out to me was that the film respected the audience more than most comic movies did. You didn't have to be shown whatever it was that Xavier did a year ago. You knew what the result was. X-23 acted like an actual little girl from time to time. Xavier felt like a real, old person with degenerative brain, and other health issues. Wolverine acted like an actual, worn down, borderline suicidal alcoholic. His killing didn't feel out of place because from the first time you see him you can an idea for where he is emotionally. Stephen Merchant felt like someone who was going out of his way to repent for past deeds out of guilt.

To take another comic example, think about the Avengers movies. Whether it's Cap, or Hawkeye, or Thor, or Stark, or Widow, they all seem so polished and sure of themselves, and like they're putting on a show for each other and the audience. In Logan, it is more like you could be a fly on the wall, watching more real-type people interact.

Perfect breakdown.

 

[karamazov80]

The only thing that hurts Logan for me is how they telegraphed X24's demise 20 minutes before it happens.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid film.

Yeah, I figured that one out, as well

 

[jye4ever]

The only thing that hurts Logan for me is how they telegraphed X24's demise 20 minutes before it happens.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid film.

What redeems that for me is Logan shooting the doctor in his face while the doctor was mid sentence boasting about his successful high fructose corn syrup social engineering lol.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, one thing that did jump out to me was that the film respected the audience more than most comic movies did. You didn't have to be shown whatever it was that Xavier did a year ago. You knew what the result was. X-23 acted like an actual little girl from time to time. Xavier felt like a real, old person with degenerative brain, and other health issues. Wolverine acted like an actual, worn down, borderline suicidal alcoholic. His killing didn't feel out of place because from the first time you see him you can an idea for where he is emotionally. Stephen Merchant felt like someone who was going out of his way to repent for past deeds out of guilt.

Even Caliban, with a name like Caliban and dressed like a Mexican bandit felt real ****s in this movie didn't feel gratuitous because everybody talked normal. etc etc.

"I don't know how you brought me here but thank you"

"De nada"

I want to protect x23.

To take another comic example, think about the Avengers movies. Whether it's Cap, or Hawkeye, or Thor, or Stark, or Widow, they all seem so polished and sure of themselves, and like they're putting on a show for each other and the audience. In Logan, it is more like you could be a fly on the wall, watching more real-type people interact.

MCU is borderline a skit or stand up comedy, witty comebacks and quick one liners at every turn.

Then on the other side, there's the DCU where everything's a soliloquy.

 

[Khev]

The only thing that hurts Logan for me is how they telegraphed X24's demise 20 minutes before it happens.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid film.

Almost immediately after he appeared I assumed Logan's bullet would be used on him. Which is a bit too bad because I remember watching T2 and having no idea how they were going to take out the T-1000 until moments before he "died." Cameron was always good at keeping cards like that close to the chest.

 

[jye4ever]

I feel bad that you hated it lol.

 

[DiFabio]

This was soooo welcome. For a comicbook movie it was nice that people actually talked like people for a change.

Yup and no preachy, melodramatic dialogue. Even Charles' speeches felt surprisingly realistic, especially about family. There's a sincerity that doesn't come across in the other comic movies we're talking about. I also had no idea that Patrick Stewart coincidentally saw Shane as a kid until I watched that interview.