Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[Khev]

If I had to pick the single or maybe the two most groundbreaking, influential, and impactful films on the US film industry film in the last 27 years (1990-2017), it would be Toy Story (1995)and Toy Story 2 (1999).

Sounds like a joke, but TS was the first full length CGI film, and it single handedly killed traditional animation, and 20 years later, the box office is dominated by CGI animated films from all major studios.

Eh, domestically none of the TS movies outgrossed The Lion King, and adjusted for inflation hand drawn titles like Snow White, 101 Dalmations, Fantasia, Lion King (again), The Jungle Book, and Sleeping Beauty all destroy the highest CG contender (Shrek 2.) All Pixar did was offer a different technique in how pictures are animated.

And if you're simply judging a film's influence based on technique instead of content then AOTC has impacted how countless more movies are filmed than any achievement from Pixar. Content-wise I'd still say that Pulp Fiction, Braveheart, and Saving Private Ryan have been the most influential over the last quarter century.

 

[DiFabio]

I think there have been a lot of great, influential movies in the past 30 years. You guys listing 2-3 in the span of 10 - 20 years need to think a little harder.


As for the X-Men films, I think X2 is the best out of all of them and one of the best movies overall as well, probably moreso than Logan. I don't rank movies, but I think X2, Logan, X1, First Class and DOFP are all solid films. I'm probably in the minority, but I like The Wolverine a lot too.

 

[Khev]

I think there have been a lot of great, influential movies in the past 30 years.

Well sure but I listed what I considered to be the top three.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Eh, domestically none of the TS movies outgrossed The Lion King, and adjusted for inflation hand drawn titles like Snow White, 101 Dalmations, Fantasia, Lion King (again), The Jungle Book, and Sleeping Beauty all destroy the highest CG contender (Shrek 2.) All Pixar did was offer a different technique in how pictures are animated.

Which is now the norm along with making theatrical sequels.

And if you're simply judging a film's influence based on technique instead of content then AOTC has impacted how countless more movies are filmed than any achievement from Pixar. Content-wise I'd still say that Pulp Fiction, Braveheart, and Saving Private Ryan have been the most influential over the last quarter century.

It's not just technique.

Because TS is owned by Disney, it'll never become irrelevant and the character will always be iconic, but combine that with introducing a new technique for making full length films, and for that to become the standard replacing something like traditional animation which was the norm since the 1930's, to the point that even the kings of animation, Disney had to change how they made animated films, and yes, you have a very influential film/franchise that every studio learned from to the point animated films dominated the boxoffice like never before in the history of cinema.

Speaking of technique, we're not talking a sequence or dialogue (pulp fiction), or how a battle is filmed (brave heart), we're talking about a full feature film done with entirely done with CGI and having to INVENT simple little things like dust...yes, dust, was not possible in 1995, not until TS2. They were literally breaking new ground on a daily basis to make those films People really underestimate Pixar animation and the impact TS had on the film industry from a technical stand point, but also in terms of how animated films have become franchises that compete with live action franchises. That wasn't the case before TS/TS2.

 

[DiFabio]

Well sure but I listed what I considered to be the top three.

 

[Khev]

Once again based on the criteria AOTC still wins. The majority of films released in any given year are still live-action and very few shoot on celluloid film stock. Toy Story pioneered how most cartoons would be made going forward, AOTC pioneered how most films *period* would be shot and projected going forward.

 

[Khev]

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, the prequels really were influential in the filmmaking industry, for good and ill.

Toy Story was huge too.

 

[karamazov80]

If I had to pick the single or maybe the two most groundbreaking, influential, and impactful films on the US film industry film in the last 27 years (1990-2017), it would be Toy Story (1995)and Toy Story 2 (1999).

Sounds like a joke, but TS was the first full length CGI film, and it single handedly killed traditional animation, and 20 years later, the box office is dominated by CGI animated films from all major studios.


Then there is TS2, which doesn't seem that important, but again, it changed the industry by becoming the first truly successful theatrical animated sequel, which wasn't common at all before TS2. Now, it's expected for successful animated films to become franchises and have sequels, but that wasn't the case until TS2. Disney rarely made theatrical sequels to their animated films...maybe only one, and it failed. The rest were low quality sequels with poor animation made for VHS.

So I know for a lot of people, Pulp Fiction was a big deal, and it influenced numerous films, especially in the 90's, but long term speaking, I think TS has been more impactful.

I think you're right in terms of what's happened to animation. But I don't think it created a sea change in a way that fundamentally changed the landscape of film, because it was more a technological tweak/improvement (although obviously a pretty big one) to the existing way things are done than anything else. They didn't change the way movies are perceived in any fundamental ways. Stories are still told by Pixar in pretty conventional ways (even something like the one on emotions had similarities to existing movies like Defending Your Life).

I think there have been a lot of great, influential movies in the past 30 years. You guys listing 2-3 in the span of 10 - 20 years need to think a little harder.

What has really left a mark on the cultural consciousness is what I'm thinking of. Since 2000, I really can't come up with too much. I think the '90s was the last era where we'll see much of that (and T2 is another one that was pretty huge in that regard). Something having an impact like Back to the Future, or Rocky Horror Picture Show, or the Good the Bad and the Ugly. What is even close to that post-2000? Most movies now have a pretty damn short shelf life, for better or worse. And I think, frankly, it's a sign of the times where all entertainment is seen to be cheap and disposable by many consumers. People just pirate movies and music, or watch a few minutes here and there on demand when they feel like, and may never finish something because attention spans are short and people have texting to do. There is no feeling of commitment or ownership. That's another reason why the movies of the earlier age will always be more impactful. Before VHS, folks couldn't watch them at all unless they saw them at the theaters or caught them on TV at some point. And they were more genuinely communal activities.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Well, influential also has to include a movie like The matrix, right?

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[GodzillaSpawn]

Not only for its style of shooting action, but the culture that seemed to stem from it on both other films and in real life.

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[karamazov80]

That one goes up there I think, though it's impact has dulled with time. Was made in '99!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Once again based on the criteria AOTC still wins. The majority of films released in any given year are still live-action and very few shoot on celluloid film stock. Toy Story pioneered how most cartoons would be made going forward, AOTC pioneered how most films *period* would be shot and projected going forward.

Well, Vidocq (2001) still should get some credit for being the first feature that was shot entirely with digital cinematography. It came out before AOTC.

 

[Khev]

Well, Vidocq (2001) still should get some credit for being the first feature that was shot entirely with digital cinematography. It came out before AOTC.

Well it's not like Vidocq gave Lucas the idea or anything and it was still AOTC's lead that everyone followed from that point on. Now if you want to start rating films of the last 25 years by the iconic characters they produced then yeah I'm with you on Toy Story. Woody and Buzz would be right up near the top.

If you don't count adapted characters like Joker, Gandalf, Harry Potter, and so on and just go by original cinematic creations then I'd be inclined to list Woody, Buzz, and Jack Sparrow as the top three. (waits for someone to point out an obvious one that I missed)

 

[karamazov80]

Woody and Buzz would be right up near the top.

I am just now recognizing the lewd connotation to their names. Thanks for planting that in my mind, Khev!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

 

[jye4ever]

I am just now recognizing the lewd connotation to their names. Thanks for planting that in my mind, Khev!

lolololol

I take it you missed the the stars in the Lion King writing out Your mother sucks **** in hell?

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

lolololol

I take it you missed the the stars in the Lion King writing out Your mother sucks **** in hell?

There's something in every Disney movie

 

[SNIKT1950]

I think there have been a lot of great, influential movies in the past 30 years. You guys listing 2-3 in the span of 10 - 20 years need to think a little harder.


As for the X-Men films, I think X2 is the best out of all of them and one of the best movies overall as well, probably moreso than Logan. I don't rank movies, but I think X2, Logan, X1, First Class and DOFP are all solid films. I'm probably in the minority, but I like The Wolverine a lot too.

Yeah, X2 is superb. For me its as good as Whedon's The Avengers (2012) yet precedes it by almost a decade.

 

[pturtle]

Yeah, X2 is superb. For me its as good as Whedon's The Avengers (2012) yet precedes it by almost a decade.

This is more insulting than anything Jye has said about X2.

X2 is a far better movie in every way.