Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[Johnny Utah]

I've come to hate both Avengers movies over time. They reek of Jossisms. His writing is just so self aware and aching to be cool and hip.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

What's happening to this place? Now people don't like the Avengers?

Come on guys, who has hurt you?

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[YoNoSe]

What's happening to this place? Now people don't like the Avengers?

You didn't get the letter?

 

[pturtle]

So what kind of build-up? Have Thor say "boy, these Ice Giants are tricky, but not as tricky as the legendary Chitauri". Have Nick go "oh, btw Tony, we have also discovered aliens". Loki was the main villain. he essentially "hired" an army. I don't see the rushed part, at all. If you don't like the film it's all fine and dandy, but the Chitauri themselves didn't need a grand introduction. Thanos had them under his control, he gave them to Loki to fullfil his end of the bargain. And... that's it.

What does it matter how the aliens are defeated? Were they aliens? Yup. Did they invade Earth? Yup. Alien Invasion Movie.

I get that you dislike/hate the majority of the MC, and prefer the more "high brow" Fox CBMs (of which only a handful are worthwile in their 17 year existence, IMO) and have no interest in the source material, but these complaints are weak AF and nitpicky as hell. The Chitauri were generic alien fodder who acted like generic alien fodder. Hate the film all you want, it's as valid an opinion as any, but the Chitauri having "no prior build-up" wasn't the problem. I don't like the film that much either (I prefer the "idea" of it), but none of those gripes hold any real ground.

I love how good standalone movies are consider highbrow, and disposable entertainment like The Avengers is considered the standard for superhero movies

I'd argue that more than half of the FoX-Men movies have been at least okay.

Anyway, I don't see how the Chitauri having some build up is a weak argument, you call them generic alien fodder because that's what they were, but they didn't have to be. Whats wrong with giving them some backstory? Foreshadowing their Invasion, or getting some background details on why they planned on invading earth. Netflix is has done that with The Hand. They could have been sprinkled throughout the solo movies, even if it was just in the post credit scenes. By building up the Chitauri, you also indirectly build up Thanos.

That's also not even close to being my main problem with the movie, the acting was ****, the dialogue was ****, the humor was ****, the cinematography was **** etc...
I could go on for days

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

We had a blizzard this week on the east coast. I'll check back next week.

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[Sweet Rabbit]

What's happening to this place? Now people don't like the Avengers?

Come on guys, who has hurt you?

 

[pturtle]

I've come to hate both Avengers movies over time. They reek of Jossisms. His writing is just so self aware and aching to be cool and hip.

Preach brother, preach!

 

[Victοr]

I love how good standalone movies are consider highbrow, and disposable entertainment like The Avengers is considered the standard for superhero movies

I'd argue that more than half of the FoX-Men movies have been at least okay.

It's why I put high brow in quotes. Again though, you're reaching. I never said The Avengers was the standard. I just said that you're a well known "hater" of the MCU. Nothing wrong with that, but you rarely have anything positive to say about it. Which is of course your right and opinion. And I have no problem with it. But in this particular instance, you have a problem with the flick as a whole, when the point of the discussion is the "alien invasion" part, which has no real "problems".

Anyway, I don't see how the Chitauri having some build up is a weak argument, you call them generic alien fodder because that's what they were, but they didn't have to be. Whats wrong with giving them some backstory? Foreshadowing their Invasion, or getting some background details on why they planned on invading earth. Netflix is has done that with The Hand. They could have been sprinkled throughout the solo movies, even if it was just in the post credit scenes.

The Chitauri were literally hired muscle, that's it. They didn't want to invade anything. Thanos just said "Loki, here are some of my Top Guys, take them and bring back what you need to". That;s literally it. They don't have an agenda like The Hand. It was explained in the first minutes of the film.

That's also not even close to being my main problem with the movie, the acting was ****, the dialogue was ****, the humor was ****, the cinematography was **** etc...
I could go on for days

...Okay. Not the point of the discussion...

 

[pturtle]

It's why I put high brow in quotes. Again though, you're reaching. I never said The Avengers was the standard. I just said that you're a well known "hater" of the MCU. Nothing wrong with that, but you rarely have anything positive to say about it. Which is of course your right and opinion. And I have no problem with it. But in this particular instance, you have a problem with the flick as a whole, when the point of the discussion is the "alien invasion" part, which has no real "problems".



The Chitauri were literally hired muscle, that's it. They didn't want to invade anything. Thanos just said "Loki, here are some of my Top Guys, take them and bring back what you need to". That;s literally it. They don't have an agenda like The Hand. It was explained in the first minutes of the film.



...Okay. Not the point of the discussion...

How didn't the Chitauri have an agenda? They were literally trying to invade earth to retrieve the tesseract for Thanos.

Wasn't Loki leading the army to invade earth for Thanos to retrieve the tesseract? Loki rules earth, and Thanos by extension rules another territory in the universe. That would mean that Thanos wanted to invade earth using the Chitauri, it's the same thing. None of that was ever really built up until The Avengers. I really can't see where you coming from on prefer generic alien fodder


We're like 14 movies in, and we still don't know what the hell Thanos wants outside of the infinity gen things. Its why their villains are lame, Marvel does a horrible job at fleshing them out.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

> 2017 and people are fighting over Avengers
> I will laugh now
>

 

[Victοr]

How didn't the Chitauri have an agenda? They were literally trying to invade earth to retrieve the tesseract for Thanos.

Wasn't Loki leading the army to invade earth for Thanos to retrieve the tesseract? Loki rules earth, and Thanos by extension rules another territory in the universe. That would mean that Thanos wanted to invade earth using the Chitauri, it's the same thing. None of that was ever really built up until The Avengers. I really can't see where you coming from on prefer generic alien fodder


We're like 14 movies in, and we still don't know what the hell Thanos wants outside of the infinity gen things. Its why their villains are lame, Marvel does a horrible job at fleshing them out.

Just... they were canon fodder, accept it and move on, man. We're just going in circles now. Thanos had them under his control, he gave the command to Loki, and that's it. They didn't have any investment in taking over Earth. Just think of them as Space-Mercs.

As for Thanos, he's getting the bit-by-bit build-up you said you wanted from the Chitauri. Now that's not good enough either? Ragnarok will have even more info about him. And both Avengers 3 & 4 will be about Thanos. Maybe they'll botch him, maybe they won't. But they're building him up, which is your supposed problem with the Chitauri, so...

 

[pturtle]

Just... they were canon fodder, accept it and move on, man. We're just going in circles now. Thanos had them under his control, he gave the command to Loki, and that's it. They didn't have any investment in taking over Earth. Just think of them as Space-Mercs.

As for Thanos, he's getting the bit-by-bit build-up you said you wanted from the Chitauri. Now that's not good enough either? Ragnarok will have even more info about him. And both Avengers 3 & 4 will be about Thanos. Maybe they'll botch him, maybe they won't. But they're building him up, which is your supposed problem with the Chitauri, so...

I think you just gotta accept my opinion man. Maybe it's because of your knowledge of them from the comics, but I think there was enough room to give them some decent lore and screen presence which would by extension, build up Thanos. My argument isn't to necessarily build them up, but foreshadow enough to make us curious enough about them and their agenda.

My problem with Thanos is they haven't built him up enough. We got The Avengers post credit, and Guardians, I honestly can't remember but has their been anything else about him since? It's good to know they'll continue building him up but personally, they haven't done a good job at it so far.

 

[pturtle]

> 2017 and people are fighting over Avengers
> I will laugh now
>

Now I would agree with this, but isn't it in your Mt Rushmore of superhero flicks? You of all people shouldn't be laughing

 

[Victοr]

I think you just gotta accept my opinion man. Maybe it's because of your knowledge of them from the comics, but I think there was enough room to give them some decent lore and screen presence which would by extension, build up Thanos. My argument isn't to necessarily build them up, but foreshadow enough to make us curious enough about them and their agenda.

My problem with Thanos is they haven't built him up enough. We got The Avengers post credit, and Guardians, I honestly can't remember but has their been anything else about him since? It's good to know they'll continue building him up but personally, they haven't done a good job at it so far.

I am accepting it though... I've been literally saying that from what, the second or third post?

As for Thanos, eh, whatever floats your boat. They're gonna have 5 hours to flesh him out. Small nods across multiple movies keep the intrigue but still set him up.

 

[GasparZizou]

My problem with Thanos is they haven't built him up enough. We got The Avengers post credit, and Guardians, I honestly can't remember but has their been anything else about him since? It's good to know they'll continue building him up but personally, they haven't done a good job at it so far.

I like that, actually, we've seen him a couple times but we're still not familiar to him, they have to save that for when he comes down in IW.

We know that he's a huge purple annoying orange but that's all we need to know so far.

 

[pturtle]

I am accepting it though... I've been literally saying that from what, the second or third post?

As for Thanos, eh, whatever floats your boat. They're gonna have 5 hours to flesh him out. Small nods across multiple movies keep the intrigue but still set him up.

You just told me to accept that they were fodder and to move on, which I certainly agree on but I figured you meant that I should move on from thinking that they could be anything more then fodder and that. Either way who cares we both seem to not like the movie anyway.

Maybe you're right about Thanos, it could just be my personal investment in the overarching story has diminished completely now. Maybe they are doing a decent job with him, I've just completely checked out.

 

[Victοr]

You just told me to accept that they were fodder and to move on, which I certainly agree on but I figured you meant that it was also for the best and that I should move on. Either way who cares we both seem to not like the movie anyway.

Maybe you're right about Thanos, it could just be my personal investment in the overarching story has diminished completely now. Maybe they are doing a decent job with him, I've just completely checked out.

The Chitauri are what they are. They're Space-Mercs and merely backdrop for the Avengers to come together and Loki to move on to the next part of his story. And it doesn't need to be more complicated than that IMO.

Eh, we'll see.

Anyway,

 

[pturtle]

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's that.

 

[pturtle]

I like that, actually, we've seen him a couple times but we're still not familiar to him, they have to save that for when he comes down in IW.

We know that he's a huge purple annoying orange but that's all we need to know so far.

You might be right, like I said I've checked out, I don't think I've seen every MCU movie since The Avengers so I really can't have an opinion on it.