Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[RIDDICK]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I thought his goal was to inspire the people of Gotham.

Yeah, that's another dumb thing about RISES. You can't take a character that was created in order to instill fear into criminal minds and then turn him into a symbol of hope and goodness. Batman is not Superman.

That's why as Bruce's story ends, Blake's story begins.
A Dark Knight retires as a Dark Knight Rises.

Sounds like a load of pretentious crap.

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Anyway, I just want a good Wolverine film for once.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Yeah, that's another dumb thing about RISES. You can't take a character that was created in order to instill fear into criminal minds and then turn him into a symbol of hope and goodness. Batman is not Superman.

He wasn't trying to instill fear in TDKR. That was done with. The vigilante Batman ended in TDK. TDKR Batman is basically a soldier of Gotham. He returns to Gotham to empower the police by freeing and rallying them so together they can defeat the terrorist group that invaded the city.

Nothing dumb about that at all.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Well said Riddick.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Sounds like a load of pretentious crap.

He's basically a really selfish a-hole in TDKR until they dress it up
in the last act. Although I bet he loves that statue.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

He's basically a really selfish a-hole in TDKR until they dress it up
in the last act. Although I bet he loves that statue.

Selfish? The guy saved the city twice, cleaned it up and then took the fall for murders he didn't commit to keep it clean. How is he ever selfish in the series?

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Selfish? The guy saved the city twice, cleaned it up and then took the fall for murders he didn't commit to keep it clean. How is he ever selfish in the series?

Alfred spells it out directly. Pretty big plot point.

 

[pturtle]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

He wasn't trying to instill fear in TDKR. That was done with. The vigilante Batman ended in TDK. TDKR Batman is basically a soldier of Gotham. He returns to Gotham to empower the police by freeing and rallying them so together they can defeat the terrorist group that invaded the city.

Nothing dumb about that at all.

Everything you're saying makes perfect sense, You're arguing with people that didn't even think TDK was a good movie

I personally thought Rises was great, easily in my top 10 best superhero movies ever but I do think it's the weakest of the trilogy. Still, a very good movie, and in my opinion TDK trilogy is unmatched.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I thought his goal was to inspire the people of Gotham.

He did, in ALL 3 films.

Yeah, that's another dumb thing about RISES. You can't take a character that was created in order to instill fear into criminal minds and then turn him into a symbol of hope and goodness. Batman is not Superman.
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Actually, it's a "dumb" thing about Batman Begins and TDK, since him "inspiring people" was part of his goal, hence Harvey being his substitute and him saying, "I meant to inspire good...not madness or death" and "That's not what I had in mind when I said I wanted to inspire people".



In Batman Begins, Alfred and Bruce literally talk about the Wayne family inspiring people by example and Bruce becoming a symbol....not to mention he says he'll do it for as long as it takes...not forever like some people want.

You guys have short memories

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Actually, it's a "dumb" thing about Batman Begins and TDK.

In fist two films it's what these characters wanted Batman to be. The last film shoud've been about how that's absolutely not possible with a hero like Batman, a thoughtful tradegy. It'd also create a nice thematic background for their new Superman film.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I think one of the interesting things about the Nolan films is that there is an element of " how much of his stated goal is lip service?" He is calledout more than once about his self involvement. Which is not to say he doesn't believe in the greater good but it's also a convenient way to lampshade an obsession for control and revenge writ large.

I don't say this as criticism, I feel it's baked into the series.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

In fist two films it's what these characters wanted Batman to be. The last film shoud've been about how that's absolutely not possible with a hero like Batman, a thoughtful tradegy. filmIt'd also create a nice thematic background for their new Superman .

That's just fan wishing though. Can't criticize a film based on what you think it should be? There's plenty to criticize in Begins and TDK if that's the case. Superman has no connections to the Nolan films, so who gives a **** about what happens in the Nolan Bat films?

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

Can't criticize a film based on what you think it should be?

If what I think it should've been makes more sense than what they actually did... then why not.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

If what I think it should've been makes more sense than what they actually did... then why not.

You can, but it doesn't mean that the film is inconsistent with the previous movies. It wasn't some random new idea that was introduced in TDKR, so it made sense that was part of the story, but you wanted that to be a tragedy in the end. Personally, I wanted the last film to have a happy ending after all the heaviness in TDK and TDKR story. At least it didn't end with an Ewok party.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

He did, in ALL 3 films

Yeah, I know. That's why I said it.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

You can, but it doesn't mean that the film is inconsistent with the previous movies.

It was inconsistent with what the title character represents.
AND with the themes of two previous films.

It's ok to have guilty pleasure experience, no need to make an excuse.
We should stop right here or I'll make a wall-of-text post about why B&R is the best film ever.

 

[EVILFACE]

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[RIDDICK]

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[Khev]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

at EVILFACE and RIDDICK.

Regarding TDKR I don't really care anymore how his voice sounded or where he spent his retirement. I just find the film to be a bit of a bore, at least with regard to watching it from the beginning. And I still think he should have died in the blast. If happy go lucky Han Solo can take one for the team than serious and brooding Bruce Wayne certainly should have been able to.

It's *okay* for certain films to have a bittersweet ending, *especially* if they have a theme of passing the torch. As it stands TDKR sort of crossed over into Superman Returns territory. "Wait WHY are you ditching your kid? Just because? Um okay, what an awesome hero." Same for Bruce and his city. He retired at age 38 or whatever? So he's going to get fat eating croissants for 50 years? Awesome use of your abilities there bud.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

And I still think he should have died in the blast. If happy go lucky Han Solo can take one for the team than serious and brooding Bruce Wayne certainly should have been able to.

Han is not the protagonist and the new films will go on to have a happy ending with the new heroes. If anything , Han should have died in ESB, but he didn't in order to have that happy ending in ROTJ.

It's *okay* for certain films to have a bittersweet ending, *especially* if they have a theme of passing the torch. As it stands TDKR sort of crossed over into Superman Returns territory. "Wait WHY are you ditching your kid? Just because? Um okay, what an awesome hero." Same for Bruce and his city. He retired at age 38 or whatever? So he's going to get fat eating croissants for 50 years? Awesome use of your abilities there bud.

I can understand people wanting a Batman that doesn't retire, but that was never his goal in the Nolanverse, as shown in Begins and TDK.

 

[Khev]

Re: WOLVERINE (March 3rd 2017)

I can understand people wanting a Batman that doesn't retire, but that was never his goal in the Nolanverse, as shown in Begins and TDK.

I think it's okay that his goal was to retire. I just think he should have been faced with "do I retire which is what I really want or stay and take one for the team?" The guy who sacrifices is always the cooler hero IMO. Cap crashing the ship and forever missing his date with Peggy > bugging out early so you can make your date in Italy.