look so old to young eyes do i.....

[Agent0028]

I think this has the potential to be the geekiest post I've ever written...

Let's start with movie time not matching time within the movie. Everything was cut together so we didn't watch Luke for 30 minutes and then Han and Leia on Bespin for 30 minutes.

As arnax said, the hyperdrive on the Falcon was broken, so it took Han and Leia a long time to get to Bespin. They spent alot of time just hanging out that we never see, because it would be boring. I wouldn't be surprised if it took them at least a month to get to Bespin. Even traveling in hyperspace can take a long time, traveling at regular speed would be alot longer.

Luke on the other hand had his hyperdrive so he was able to travel to Dagobah and Bespin much more rapidly than Han and Leia were. In fact, I think that he left Dagobah before they were being tortured. Remember Yoda made his famous quote about the future always being in motion at this point. So that leads me to believe that Yoda was saying that what Luke was seeing (Han and Leia's torture) may never even come to pass. Although I think he knew it would and was just trying to get Luke to stay.

To sum it up I think the timeline would look something like this:
The three leave Hoth
The Falcon has all its adventures with the Empire and begins its journey to Bespin
Luke arrives on Dagobah and trains with Yoda
Luke gets images of Han and Leia being captured and tortured and leaves Dagobah
Han and Leia arrive at Bespin

Hope all that makes sense, sometimes I'm not always good at putting my thoughts to words.

 

[d_jedi1]

In regards to the timeline, IIRC, ESB takes place over a prolonged period.
From the opening to the battle of hoth is a couple of days, nothing serious. Then everyone leaves..
Luke, goes to Dagobah and trains for six months.
Han and crew, limp to Bespin over the same period of time. (Remember, when bragging about the Falcon's SUB-LIGHT engines, he said she makes .5 past light speed. My understanding is that the Falcon is FTL even outside of hyperspace)
Han and Leia arrive on Bespin, are held for a few days, Han gets frozen and Luke FINALLY shows up.
Six months would be a crash course to be sure but pretty intensive.
ROTJ takes place 1 year after the battle of Hoth so it's roughly six months after the conclusion of ESB (remember, prolonged timeline).

 

[MISFIT]

All very great points my fellow freaks!!,
Im so glad i started this thread!,now i know im not the only crazy mofo on the planet!,lol,
keep them comming!!!

 

[Agent0028]

Oh no, you aren't the only crazy one on the planet. We're all mad here.

 

[Darth_IMPoor]

Not me!!

Besides, I don't analyze some of these things as much as you guys. I never really looked at it as him dying for good. I think that was his "Obi-Wan". Kenobi could've lived much longer had he chose to. He sacrificed himself at that given time to move Luke along in his training. Since the Yoda age-thing doesn't really make sense (especially given his vitality in the Prequels only 20-28 years prior), I'm thinking he used his age as an excuse to push Luke to the next level of his training. He could've lived longer, but it was apparent Luke would not fight Vader unless the next series of events (him "dying", last conversation w/Obi-Wan, family reveal) took place. Like someone mentioned, it explains why all that's left is their robes after they disappear. When the Jedi got their @$$es kicked after Order 66, I didn't see any empty robes, just bodies. And we all know Jedi can spin stories to suit their purpose. That's why I think Yoda's was more voluntary than natural.

 

[Agent0028]

The reason the jedi didn't disappear during order 66 and they didn't know how transcend death. Qui-Gon figured that out after death and passed it on to Yoda and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan utilized at the moment of his death by Vader. Yoda may have done the same, or as you say maybe it was a voluntary thing to move Luke along in his training. It's as good a theory as any. But it doesn't quite fit to me since Yoda was quite adamant that Luke finish his training during ESB, like I said before I don't really think he changed his mind by ROTJ.

 

[MISFIT]

i think yoda was so adamant because he new luke was impulsive and could see him goin down the same path anakin went, the fear of lose controling his thoughts eventually leading him to the darkside,
so thats why he was almost trying to control luke to calm him down,(almost like pulling the reigns on a horse for it to slow down),
if luke had bein corrupted at that stage then any hope the jedi ever had would have vanished,regardless of leia being in the picture.

 

[automaton]

the Jedi order ceased to exist largely due to its narrow mindedness. both Yoda and Obi are a little more chill in the OT, but still have blinders on. it is only Luke that sees the potential in his father and it is only Vader that can bring down the Empire.

 

[Colossus]

Maybe Yoda was using the force to keep him alive long enough to train Luke. After he did that maybe he started to let himself go. You know like a woman does after she gets some one to marry her............

 

[D. Martin]

According to the "New Essential Chronology" it was only 1 year.

Odd. The timeline was always 6 months between TESB and ROTJ... In the novel for ROTJ Han says the six months he spent in Carbonite was a big wide awake nothing...

 

[D. Martin]

It just occured to me to think of the sequence of events in AOTC and ESB. In AOTC Obi-Wan scolded Anakin for jeaporadizing the mission to savce Padme. However Yoda showed him the error of this thinking when he saved Obi-Wan and Anakin instead of stopping Dooku. But then years later Yoda advocated Luke leaving Han and Leia to their fate in order to pursue his Jedi training and defeat Palpatine and Vader.

Don't forget, they saved Luke on Bespin. He did nothing to help his friends, and by going to Bespin, he sprung Vader's trap, therefore destroying all for which they suffered for (to protect Luke).

Yoda was right and simply told it to Luke as it was.

 

[D. Martin]

The reason the jedi didn't disappear during order 66 and they didn't know how transcend death. Qui-Gon figured that out after death and passed it on to Yoda and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan utilized at the moment of his death by Vader. Yoda may have done the same, or as you say maybe it was a voluntary thing to move Luke along in his training. It's as good a theory as any. But it doesn't quite fit to me since Yoda was quite adamant that Luke finish his training during ESB, like I said before I don't really think he changed his mind by ROTJ.

Another thought on the disappearances:

Always two there are, no more, no less. Obi-Wan, being one of only two living Jedi had to transend to another plain to keep the light side balanced. When Yoda disappeared, only he an Luke were Jedi... Mind you, when Anakin defeated Vader and then killed Sidious, he and Luke were the last two Jedi... Aw, forget it. It is what it is and we love it just as it is.

 

[SwedishHeat]

It just occured to me to think of the sequence of events in AOTC and ESB. In AOTC Obi-Wan scolded Anakin for jeaporadizing the mission to savce Padme. However Yoda showed him the error of this thinking when he saved Obi-Wan and Anakin instead of stopping Dooku. But then years later Yoda advocated Luke leaving Han and Leia to their fate in order to pursue his Jedi training and defeat Palpatine and Vader.

Well, the guy who wrote ESB was a different guy than the one who wrote AOTC.

But, to play devil's advocate and try to explain that, I would say, in ESB, Luke was the last remaining Jedi, 100% essential to carry on the Jedi Order, and Yoda believed that Vader would kill Luke or persuade him to join the Dark Side, so Yoda implored Luke to stay. So, in that sense, you could say Yoda cares more about saving Jedi than anything else, which is why he saved Obi-Wan and Anakin instead of going after Dooku. He knew there'd be other opportunities to go after Dooku, but Anakin is the Chosen One and Obi-Wan is one of the best Jedi around, he had to save those two.

 

[Agent0028]

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post. I don't see Yoda's two actions as being contradictory. I think that Yoda's view changed. After all had he left Anakin and Obi to die he would have caught Dooku and maybe prevented the fall of the Jedi and rise of the Empire.

But the two theories you guys provided work too.

 

[Darth Mitchell]

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post. I don't see Yoda's two actions as being contradictory. I think that Yoda's view changed. After all had he left Anakin and Obi to die he would have caught Dooku and maybe prevented the fall of the Jedi and rise of the Empire.

But the two theories you guys provided work too.

That's right. If Yoda caught Dooku and let Anakin and Obi-Wan die, the clone wars would have stopped, and Palpatine's plan to turn Anakin to the darkside would have failed. So Yoda can be seen as one of the key caracters for the rise of the Empire...
"From a certain point of view"

 

[MISFIT]

bloody good point!!..also i think if mace had let anakin come with him and the other jedi to arrest palpitine in revenge of the sith then anakin might have not have jumped to the darkside as he would have seen palpatine for what he really was!! i mean he alrady knew that he was a sith lord.

 

[Outer_Rim]

According to the "New Essential Chronology" it was only 1 year.

Odd. The timeline was always 6 months between TESB and ROTJ... In the novel for ROTJ Han says the six months he spent in Carbonite was a big wide awake nothing...

I checked it again and it is from the start of "Empire" to "Jedi". Sorry.

 

[d_jedi1]

like I said... took Han and Leia six months to limp to Bespin

 

[Agent0028]

Six months, can you imagine how much that would suck? Talk about cabin fever.

 

[d_jedi1]

Oh, I'm sure they'd find ways to keep occupied

How about Luke whos only company was an over the hill frog-man?