look so old to young eyes do i.....

[devastator's balls]

hey, it's never too late to discuss the star wars universe. feel free to add/raise your own points here.

btw i read in empire mag that ford's injury was from riding the elephants in temple of doom. apparently, when you're atop one of those huge beasts, your legs are splayed wide apart, placing a lot of stress on the lower verterbrae. but u may be right, the fight scene with the thuggee strangler could very well have contributed to his back injury.

Oh yea you are right!! He initally injured it while riding the elephants, but I think the part when he was fighting the thuggee in his room, when he has to flip him over, that's when his back gave out. Nice job!!

 

[devastator's balls]

hey, it's never too late to discuss the star wars universe. feel free to add/raise your own points here.

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tyler's right bro it's never too late!!!..hense why im glad i started this thread!.
Seriously thought there have bein some very very good thoughts on this thread.
keep it up my fellow freaks!!

Thanks guys! I got some more to add, just going over the older posts to catch up.:emperor

 

[MISFIT]

lookin back at the question i posted bout darth maul..i don't think he woulda bein more popular than vader but man he had that crazy look.. imean when i first saw him on the holocron in ep 1 i was like WWWAAAATTTTTTT U GOTTA BE ^^^^TIN ME!!! he looked evil as hell and jus badass!!..i agree that if he had stayed the whole obi hatin him thing after qui gon dying would have bein a real good story.
think maul was waaayyyy better then count dooku and general grevious..he jus seemed more menacing..kinda what i always envisioned a sith as.
now anakin and obi fighting him like obi and qui gon did woulda bein cool as hell!!. or even anakin vs maul woulda bein total kick ass!!
ah man maybe in a perfect world but thats why we have these great threads!!,lol

 

[tylerdurden]

lookin back at the question i posted bout darth maul..i don't think he woulda bein more popular than vader but man he had that crazy look.. imean when i first saw him on the holocron in ep 1 i was like WWWAAAATTTTTTT U GOTTA BE ^^^^TIN ME!!! he looked evil as hell and jus badass!!..i agree that if he had stayed the whole obi hatin him thing after qui gon dying would have bein a real good story.
think maul was waaayyyy better then count dooku and general grevious..he jus seemed more menacing..kinda what i always envisioned a sith as.
now anakin and obi fighting him like obi and qui gon did woulda bein cool as hell!!. or even anakin vs maul woulda bein total kick ass!!
ah man maybe in a perfect world but thats why we have these great threads!!,lol

man, anakin vs maul would've been friggin mindblowing!! :maul

i mean, say what u want about hayden's acting skills, but he is undeniably a very athletic guy. if they trained and choreographed him hard enough, he would've been almost as acrobatic as ray park. just imagine how blindingly fast and breathtaking a duel would've been between the chosen one and the most vicious sith warrior in the galaxy. all done without the need for facial replacements or quick-cut editing.

here's another thought that's been playing out in my head: what's EVEN more epic would be a re-match of the 3-way duel between anakin + obi-wan and maul. for obi-wan, it would've been a grudge match (assuming he got his a$$ kicked in epI and maul escaped after killing qui-gon). for anakin it would be a chance to prove himself in the eyes of the jedi council as well as to his own mentor. but his own aggression and anger would eventually get the better of him and the dark side would take over during the duel.

the way i see the duel ending is obi-wan literally "disarming" maul. so it's a moral victory for obi-wan. he intends to take maul in for questioning to reveal the truth about the sith master behind everything. but anakin at this point has already been consumed by his anger and hatred and beheads maul (kinda like dooku's fate). obi-wan senses the dark side in him and tries to reason with anakin but is misunderstood. anakin thinks obi-wan is still trying to stifle his progress and even more resentment builds in him.

obi-wan reports his concerns to yoda and anakin is temporarily stripped of his jedi rank as a punishment for disobeying obi-wan. now anakin is REALLY pissed at the whole jedi establishment. and he turns to kind, wise old "senator" palpatine. who tells him he can make far greater progress without the dogmatic rules and hypocrisy of the jedi. and he starts tempting him with the promise of more power, in a much easier and quicker way. the dark side. at this point anakin has already tasted the power and focus that tapping into the dark side can give him. so out of curiousity, he decides it can't hurt. kinda like how drug addicts first give heroin a shot. and from there he's totally hooked.

that's my 2 cents' of how maul's involvement in anakin's turn to the dark side could've played out...

any theories/points to add?

 

[Agent0028]

I think it would be hard to have the duel in episode I end with both oBi-Wan and Maul alive. I don't see Maul passing on an opportunity to kill a jedi, and I think Obi was enraged enough that he wasn't going to let Maul get away without a fight. It's not impossible though, and I think that if Lucas had done that it would have been even better.

And when we're talking about Maul's death, I think we gotta keep the being cut in half. That was a great scene, the close up of Maul's face, the cocky smile turning into a sudden expression of pain with a very, very faint spray of blood, then falling down the shaft in two halves...

 

[tylerdurden]

the way i see it, maul was severely injured in epI after his duel with qui-gon. it wasn't as one-sided as in the real version we got from lucas. i never liked the way qui-gon was defeated so quickly. in my head, qui-gon inflicted some serious lightsaber wounds on maul before being killed. by the time obi-wan was released from behind the energy barrier, he was too late to do anything. maul had escaped. so maul lived to fight another day...

and sure, i don't mind having maul ultimately cut in half by anakin in the alternate epIII, instead of being beheaded. you're right, that's a spectacular death.

it's great having these "script meetings".

maybe one day we can film our own, vastly superior version of episodes I to III...

 

[Agent0028]

I like that idea that Qui-Gon gives Maul some serious injuries so he has to flee. It might be kinda interesting if some of his wounds were so serious that it led Sidious to develop some of the stuff used to keep Vader alive. It would also explain why Maul was quiet for the following ten years.

We can keep Dooku, but he can be a fallen Jedi, or something not a Sith. Or get rid of the stupid rule of two. I like Dooku and I think he was a great character, just under utilized. Also he should be seen in Episode I. Maybe talking to Qui-Gon about leaving the Jedi because they have lost their way and urging Qui-Gon to join him.

 

[tylerdurden]

yeah, maul's mechanical components (eg: breathing apparatus), developed by sidious are an early precursor to vader's. niiice.

i have no predilection towards dooku, one way or another. maybe he was indeed underused. the character's shortcomings certainly weren't christopher lee's fault. the man always adds a touch of class to any film.

 

[the dude person]

yeah, maul's mechanical components (eg: breathing apparatus), developed by sidious are an early precursor to vader's. niiice.

i have no predilection towards dooku, one way or another. maybe he was indeed underused. the character's shortcomings certainly weren't christopher lee's fault. the man always adds a touch of class to any film.

Actually, I apologize for being a star wars ultra-nerd, but Vader's mechanical components were, I think, designed by the Geonosians. Or at least they were based on General Grievous's parts, which were designed by Geonosians for sure...

Then Maul would be replacing Grievous, and Grievous was a much better villain than Dooky IMO...


Why is it that EVERY starwars villain has their limbs or head cut off?

EP 1: Maul = cut in half

EP 2: Jango = decapitated

EP 3: Grievous = arms cut off, then shot with blaster, Dooku = decapitated and his hands are cut off...

EP 4: Ponda Baba = arm cut off

EP 5: Wampa = arm cut off

EP 6: Vader = hand cut off, died shortly after...

The Emperor died by being thrown into a generator thingy, Maul also fell into one after being bisected.

I think Boba's still alive, cuz no parts of him were cut off and we didn't see him die for sure (like Jabba, he was definitely dead), and it's supposed to take 1000 years to be digested and he had his mando armor on which would give him extra time before his skin started getting digested (no one else who fell in was wearing armor much, they prolly died).

 

[Agent0028]

I much prefer Dooku to Grievous. Grievous made no sense to me outside of being visually appealing and a precursor to Vader. Dooku was better because he was a former Jedi, he wasn't really all bad, his actions were motivated by wanting to help the galaxy, not for selfish reasons like Sidious. I think if handled differently he could have added a big emotional depth to the movies. I guess if handled properly Grievous could as well.

 

[MISFIT]

the way i had it play out in my head was,
ep1 obi and qui gon fight maul, qui gon infilcts some heavy lightsaber damage to maul while obi is behind the energy shield,energy shield disperses and obi joins fight,huge 2 against one fight maul injures qui gon,so now its maul vs obi ,obi takes a whoopin and is injured as maul stand;s over him and says" the time of the jedi is at an end....now begins the dawn of the sith" as he goes to deliver the killing blow qui gon force jumps in front and takes the lightsaber through the stomach !,..padame and the security dudes show up and start shooting so maul high pegs it outta there.smiling at obi as he is raised to his ship hovering above the generators.
qui gon tells obi to bring up anakin.
leaving obi with the internal conflict of failure.
will put up what i thought for ep3 later.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

I like all the suggestions I'm reading. Just goes to show, ANYTHING would have been better than what we got!

I always felt the prequels had some good ideas, but were in desperate need of re-writes. They really feel like very early drafts that were rushed to film. I think they could have really shone if they were refined and worked on more thoroughly. And of course if a good writer would have been given a shot at a new draft! I'm sure any well-established screenwriter would have been more than willing to do it at a reduced cost, just for the privilege of working on such a high-profile saga.

 

[the dude person]

We should all get together some day and re-make the PT our way. I'm good with 3D graphics and special effects (including the all important lightsaber). can also do some mild sound effects work (ie if we only got one or two blaster SFX, I can make em sound like several different SFX, or I can make sounds echo to sound like they're in huge hallways or cramped spaces, etc.)

You guys should see my clone trooper 3D model, I remodeled the helmet from scratch and the rest is all modified from a free model I got... Could do other characters too. I already found a great Maul head model, which I was able to animate slightly (moving mouth, eyes)... or Maul could be a guy with make-up...

That would be so awesome if we remade the PT...

 

[Agent0028]

I'll be the George Lucas of the bunch...in other words I'll come up with the ideas, but don't let me near writing the dialogue.

 

[the dude person]

You think Lucas does the idea-coming-up-withing?

Not unlike a different American named George who thankfully is no longer holding his former job, he doesn't do much thinking, he just puts an "approved by george" stamp on everything and gets paid for it...


Or at least that's what happened with the CW series...

 

[Agent0028]

The Clone Wars series is EU, and that's a completely 'nother critter.

 

[d_jedi1]

Sorry, but back on Dooku for a second..
In episode two, I got the impression that he'd managed to infiltrate the sith in an effort to destroy it and got pulled in. He seemed to have some... regrets on the matter.
Or maybe he was taunting them with his knowledge in any case, in Episode III his character seemed to lack the depth (that I thought he had) in EpII.
Course.. he had what? under five minutes in that one? lol

 

[tylerdurden]

Actually, I apologize for being a star wars ultra-nerd, but Vader's mechanical components were, I think, designed by the Geonosians. Or at least they were based on General Grievous's parts, which were designed by Geonosians for sure...

u may very well be right. but this is our ALTERNATE version, remember. we make up our own stuff. so anything goes. maul's life support apparatus being a prototype for vader's just sounds like a pretty cool idea.

the way i had it play out in my head was,
ep1 obi and qui gon fight maul, qui gon infilcts some heavy lightsaber damage to maul while obi is behind the energy shield,energy shield disperses and obi joins fight,huge 2 against one fight maul injures qui gon,so now its maul vs obi ,obi takes a whoopin and is injured as maul stand;s over him and says" the time of the jedi is at an end....now begins the dawn of the sith" as he goes to deliver the killing blow qui gon force jumps in front and takes the lightsaber through the stomach !,..padame and the security dudes show up and start shooting so maul high pegs it outta there.smiling at obi as he is raised to his ship hovering above the generators.
qui gon tells obi to bring up anakin.
leaving obi with the internal conflict of failure.
will put up what i thought for ep3 later.

that works for me too. i like maul's line. but he is one character who should have as LITTLE spoken dialogue as possible. like boba fett. keeps the air of mystery and menace intact.

I always felt the prequels had some good ideas, but were in desperate need of re-writes. They really feel like very early drafts that were rushed to film. I think they could have really shone if they were refined and worked on more thoroughly. And of course if a good writer would have been given a shot at a new draft! I'm sure any well-established screenwriter would have been more than willing to do it at a reduced cost, just for the privilege of working on such a high-profile saga.

you're absolutely right about that! imagine lawrence kasdan being called back to write the prequels, or at least give it a screenplay polish.

I'll be the George Lucas of the bunch...in other words I'll come up with the ideas, but don't let me near writing the dialogue.

i can write the dialogue. i make a living writing scripts for tv and radio commercials anyway. and i've written a few film scripts of my own. not sci-fi, more in the realm of character-driven pieces, like tarantino likes to do. now i ain't no tarantino, but i sure as heck am a better writer than lucas.

 

[MISFIT]

lol lol lol, tyler u crack me up bro!. i m actually a huge fan of the secret apprentice starkiller too. i mean the game is one of my fav's and the way it explains the birth of the rebelion was amazing!!!..maybe they should got some of those writers to do the prequels..he is by far one of my fav star wars characters!!.. the cinematics that tell the story in the game are a movie in themselves!!.

 

[the dude person]

Looks similar to Grievous in the legs... Think this pic is from before Grievous though... So we could get an actor to be maul and CG his legs...

I feel like we need to make our own versions of the PT... BTW, would we keep the clones? Could we throw in some clone commandos in EP II version 2? Do we keep or throw away the battle on Geonosis?