LOST discussion - thar be spoilers ahead!

[pixletwin]

I still like Jack's end on the island, and think it was the "perfect" end for the show... Jack wakes up to begin the show, and Jack dies to end the show.

I agree. Perfect coming to full circle. Wonderful device and my favorite in any medium be it Music or movies or books.

For some strange reason, Vincent coming to lay down with him just made me come unglued.

 

[GrueSam]

Yeah people need to expell the notion that good = perfect (and thus infallible) and evil = flawed.

 

[lcummins]

The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

The "Devil" was an Angel created by God, so therefore, did God create evil? If so, why?

 

[JosephCPR]

Yeah people need to expell the notion that good = perfect (and thus infallible) and evil = flawed.

and...who is to tell what is good and evil...?

 

[Batty]

Live together. Die alone.

One interesting observation among my friends and family. Those who didn't like this ending tend to fall in an agnostic/Atheist camp whereas those whom I would call more spiritually minded loved it.

I am wondering if the same lines could be drawn up here?

I'm an atheist and loved the ending. No, it didn't answer all the questions, but I'm fine with that.

I like to think I'm your friend too.

 

[pixletwin]

"For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not sorighteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility. "

 

[pixletwin]

I'm an atheist and loved the ending. No, it didn't answer all the questions, but I'm fine with that.

I like to think I'm your friend too.

Maybe one can be spiritual and also an atheist?

and yes you are my friend.

 

[lcummins]

"For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not sorighteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility. "

And that is supposed to explain the creation of evil?

 

[Kuzeh]

The "Devil" was an Angel created by God, so therefore, did God create evil? If so, why?

kicks, maybe?...
I'm sure being omnipotent and omnipresent can get a bit boring...

 

[Darth Waller]

For some strange reason, Vincent coming to lay down with him just made me come unglued.

Oh man, that did me in, too. Such a great ending.

 

[Darthrazz]

The "Devil" was an Angel created by God, so therefore, did God create evil? If so, why?

Without the dark we we would never know the light.

 

[Kuzeh]

LOST was about the characters stories...
and how to ultimately deal with duality...

In the environment of the Island...
which ended up being the "MacGauffin"... even though at times they made it a character in itself, that ended when Jacob and MIB were introduced IMO

In the end, it really doesn't matter, I personally think they did an amazing job with the series... and even though lots of things were left unanswered, I felt it was complete.

It was always Man of Faith vs. Man of Science... the duality...
let go... move on...

...

 

[plasmid303]

So is anyone going to explain to me why Miles wasn't in the church at the end?

You'd think that a guy so in tuned with dead folks would be among his fellow dead folks in the afterlife.

 

[GrueSam]

The "Devil" was an Angel created by God, so therefore, did God create evil? If so, why?

Because above all, there must always be balance.
Night/Day, Summer/Winter, Birth/Death, Black/White, Good/Evil.

It is what it is.
I, personally, don't fret over things I can't control or understand.


I'm gonna be in Austin next week. Wanna discuss all this over beer?

 

[Darklord Dave]

Anyone else have a bunch of people at the office today saying "I told you! They were dead the whole time".

Frickin morons.

Yea, the LA Times ( of all places) the reviewer thought because of the credits shot of the crash debris - the entire series had been the purgatory thing and they all died in the crash. Talk about missing the obviousl.

But Variety had an interesting take - the sideways universe was Jack's perspective on what he would like to see happen in order for him to be at peace and move on. He felt responsible for all these people and getting them in a perfect place enabled him to move on.

And my theory on the island being sunk - in this perfect universe (either Jack's perspective or otherwise) there is no need for the darkness to be held back, so there is no need for the island.

Live together. Die alone.

One interesting observation among my friends and family. Those who didn't like this ending tend to fall in an agnostic/Atheist camp whereas those whom I would call more spiritually minded loved it.

I am wondering if the same lines could be drawn up here?

Perhaps - as I've said, I had trouble with the ending and the resolution to the sideways universe (perhaps because of my personal beliefs), but I felt the whole thing was emotionally satisfying and I can see the dramatic value of that ending, even if it conflicts with my own thoughts.

 

[lcummins]

kicks, maybe?...
I'm sure being omnipotent and omnipresent can get a bit boring...

Kind of my point... if "God" was bored and created everything and us just to worship him and liven things up... what kind of God is that?

 

[pixletwin]

And that is supposed to explain the creation of evil?

Lost on you. Not on Sam since she basically simplified it.

Because above all, there must always be balance.
Night/Day, Summer/Winter, Birth/Death, Black/White, Good/Evil.

The presence is essential to fulfill the purposes of good. Simples. Easy peasy lemon squezzy.

 

[pixletwin]

Kind of my point... if "God" was bored and created everything and us just to worship him and liven things up... what kind of God is that?

Care to start another thread and I'll post on that from my POV.

 

[Shropt]

If any of us were forced to stay on a tiny island for 2000+ years, would we do the same as MiB to get off?

Yeah, if I was stuck on an island for 2000 years with no women, my biggest problem would be that I couldn't "get off".

 

[DarthNeil]

But Variety had an interesting take - the sideways universe was Jack's perspective on what he would like to see happen in order for him to be at peace and move on. He felt responsible for all these people and getting them in a perfect place enabled him to move on.

That's a good take-- because, remember, it was after making Locke able to walk again after the surgery (essentially saving him) that Jack had his initial "awakening moment" with John.