Marvel's The Black Panther

[YoNoSe]

I just think is funny to talk about the problems of the movie. Since 90% of the internet thinks this is the new citizen kane

BP shares some meta values with Kane. A huge, mostly black cast in a blockbuster-style hero movie is a big deal and markedly different in cinema history. Even if BP was fully backed and managed by the system as opposed to Kane’s tricksy path to production.

Unlike Kane it takes steps backward in the use of film tech and staging. But it’s a worthy comparison.

 

[crows]

Yeah, man, I think like Junkion you missed the point of the film hence why you failed to make an emotional connection with all the themes and dramatic beats.

I suggest you rewatch it and try to see the film through the parallel between Erik and T'Challa. Maybe there you'll find the message Coogler was trying to convey to you, instead of focusing on just the action.

This is not an action movie.

Killmonger needed more screen time then. We needed to see more of his lufe and how he learned of wakanda
We needed to connect more deeply with him.
If anything maybe claw should have been cut out of the movie and just make killmonger the focus.
Most people forget about him until claw is rescued.
They kinda dropped the ball with him.
The movie is ok as it is but part of the pronlem is that not only do u forget about him but when he wins in wakanda his time as king is too quick. Feels like he is king for one day.

Scar in lion king was handle a lot better. His presence in lion king is a lot stronger and his failed reign has much more impact. You see the jungle decay.
Killmonger was ok but he didnt feel as much of a treat as he needed to be

 

[crows]

I didn't know it was a sarcastic joke and you didn't see the movie then? So I was right you didn't see it til later. See now I have to pass judgement upon you.

I saw it later after that post.
How come you ignore anything positive i said about it? How come you dont reply to those

 

[ironwez20]

I don't see it. I'm being honest. I haven't seen one lol

 

[SNIKT1950]

I honestly thought you'd be the last person to defend this movie. i thought you'd try and fight everyone in the theater.

Great movies don't really need to be "defended ".

I like Khev and just feel that he failed to follow the main emotional core of the narrative because he was too focused on the mechanics of Wakanda and the action. The respective dreams and torments of Erik & T'Challa are where his focus should have been.

 

[crows]

I don't see it. I'm being honest. I haven't seen one lol

Eat my shorts then.
Ive made like 4 today at least
You are literally choosing to ignore anything positive i say. Thats your fault. Stop quoting me if thats the case hedgehog

 

[YoNoSe]

Yeah, man, I think like Junkion you missed the point of the film hence why you failed to make an emotional connection with all the themes and dramatic beats.

I suggest you rewatch it and try to see the film through the parallel between Erik and T'Challa. Maybe there you'll find the message Coogler was trying to convey to you, instead of focusing on just the action.

This is not an action movie.

Well I acknowledge the same thematic goals you do so I’m not sure what point I’m missing.

If a movie having it’s heart in the right place was the only valuable merit I’d be in 100% agreement.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Killmonger needed more screen time then. We needed to see more of his lufe and how he learned of wakanda
We needed to connect more deeply with him.
If anything maybe claw should have been cut out of the movie and just make killmonger the focus.
Most people forget about him until claw is rescued.
They kinda dropped the ball with him.
The movie is ok as it is but part of the pronlem is that not only do u forget about him but when he wins in wakanda his time as king is too quick. Feels like he is king for one day.

Scar in lion king was handle a lot better. His presence in lion king is a lot stronger and his failed reign has much more impact. You see the jungle decay.
Killmonger was ok but he didnt feel as much of a treat as he needed to be

Scar didn't deserve the throne. Erik did.

Take the advice I gave Khev. Rewatch BP as a study of two men who are more alike than different yet because of their troubled roots must battle each other to the death to obtain the very thing that planted said troubled roots.

 

[crows]

Scar didn't deserve the throne. Erik did.

Take the advice I gave Khev. Rewatch BP as a study of two men who are more alike than different yet because of their troubled roots must battle each other to the death to obtain the very thing that planted said troubled roots.

The king was dead, simba was too small.
Scar took out the king the same way killmonger took out black panther.

How did scar not deserve the throne? He was the kings brother, hes literally the same as killmonger in asking the throne.

The fact that all the lady lions accepted him as king and hunted for him proves he was just as deserving as killmonger.

It is literally the same situation. Lion king just handled it better. Gave more screen time to scar. Made his motivation and feelings more clear. Shoaed us how he failed as king.
Showed us why he failed.

What was so bad about killmongers point?
SHOULDNT people rise and reberl against the oppressors? Shouldnt they take whats theirs to take? Shouldnt they fight off their oppressors?
Who was killmonger sending those weapons to?
Why did he even need to be defeated

 

[YoNoSe]

Scar didn't deserve the throne. Erik did.

Killmonger had no governing experience or guidance and no real knowledge or valuable relationship with Wakanda, it’s people or it’s culture. His agenda was based on American societal failure. His goal was world domination using Wakanda as a tool. He didn’t deserve the throne. He just won a fistfight.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Killmonger had no governing experience or guidance and no real knowledge or valuable relationship with Wakanda, it’s people or it’s culture. His agenda was based on American societal failure. His goal was world domination using Wakanda as a tool. He didn’t deserve the throne. He just won a fistfight.

Semantics. There's a reason most of the Wakandan council didn't challenge his appointment as King. They welcomed his passion while only a few ]BP loyalists] feared his extremism.


Erik had what it took to rule Wakanda, but T'Challa in the end was just the better choice.

 

[crows]

Hes never been in wakanda like, ever.
I liked him and i liked his motives,

But how the hell did he deserve the throne? He was an outsider,
His challenge wasnt even in front of all.the other tribes, he had no friends in wakanda,
If anything Scar was MORE deserving seeing how he actually lived with them and knew the pride and knew the king personally....
Scar was actually a part of the family and part of the pride...

 

[YoNoSe]

There's a reason most of the Wakandan council didn't challenge his appointment as King.

Yeah, he won the fistfight.

It’s semantics in the most valuable way - there is no logic in Killmonger being the leader of Wakanda. He has no interest, realationship, or stake in the community other than using it’s (un)natural resources to feed his entitlement.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Hes never been in wakanda like, ever.
I liked him and i liked his motives,

But how the hell did he deserve the throne? He was an outsider,
His challenge wasnt even in front of all.the other tribes, he had no friends in wakanda,
If anything Scar was MORE deserving seeing how he actually lived with them and knew the pride and knew the king personally....
Scar was actually a part of the family and part of the pride...

Being an outsider is what made him all the more valuable. Having lived his whole life outside the privilege of the kingdom made him battle-hardened and cunning. His passion was spectacular, something T'Challa lacked because of living a life of privilege.

 

[crows]

Being an outsider is what made him all the more valuable. Having lived his whole life outside the privilege of the kingdom made him battle-hardened and cunning. His passion was spectacular, something T'Challa lacked because of living a life of privilege.

Yeah but in the context of the story he really wasnt deserving. ( OR he was just as deserving as scar)

And your post is why it is a shame that we dont get more time with him.
As funny as claw was. His scenes were kinda wasted time. Killmonger should have been the focus of the movie.
I dont understand why the writer didnt give me more screen time or a better look at his background and upbringing.

We spent to5i much time in wakanda that could have been better used getting to know killmonger a ittle bit more

 

[ironwez20]

Eat my shorts then.
Ive made like 4 today at least
You are literally choosing to ignore anything positive i say. Thats your fault. Stop quoting me if thats the case hedgehog

I'm not going to look through all those post. It's like finding a needle in a hay stack

 

[YoNoSe]

KM could have been a valuable asset to Wakanda as an advisor and emmisary to the outside world. But his interest was purely selfish, to the point of melodramatic self destruction in face of less-than complete victory.

 

[crows]

I'm not going to look through all those post. It's like finding a needle in a hay stack

mmmmm..... yet you were able to find the hatred post so quickly....

 

[Khev]

Yeah, man, I think like Junkion you missed the point of the film hence why you failed to make an emotional connection with all the themes and dramatic beats.

I suggest you rewatch it and try to see the film through the parallel between Erik and T'Challa. Maybe there you'll find the message Coogler was trying to convey to you, instead of focusing on just the action.

This is not an action movie.

Yeah I got what the movie was going for. It sought to be both entertaining and culturally relevant by cherry picking plot and action elements from various other films with The Lion King and The Phantom Menace being the most obvious. There are parallels between Eric and T'Challa yes, but only because Civil War showed us how T'Challa worked through his own struggle against giving in to vengeance at all costs when his own father was killed. But that's where their parallels end. You act like Eric was Dantes from The Count of Monte Cristo or something and that's certainly how he carried himself but he was just a thug bent on revenge and acquiring power and nothing more. He was self-centered and evil till his very last breath.

He made for a fun villain (one of the MCU's best though that's not saying much) but not one who really resonated beyond his cool look and entertaining bravado. He might have been more interesting if they dialed back the mustache twirling or gave him a "tears in rain" moment at the end but obviously neither was the case so he was just another badass who was evil to the core (and on that level I think Russo's Crossbones is still tops.)

 

[jye4ever]

crows analysis is spot on with this movie (sorry ironwez but you’re just suffering from WB PTSD lol).

Especially with Klaw he was jettisoned but not jettisoned fast enough more screen time was needed with little Creed.

As it stands now shallow stuff.

This movie could actually benefit from another 30 minutes of KM, Wakanda politics and Rhino feeding.