Marvel's The Black Panther

[Chakor]

W... T... F...

 

[The Ween]

You guys sure got sidetracked!

 

[ironwez20]

1. 1976: A sociopath seeking peace and wellness who lives removed and under the radar meets a troubled young girl and dons his costume to rescue her from her captors, using his skills at violence to do so.

2. 2011: A sociopath seeking peace and wellness who lives removed and under the radar meets a troubled woman and dons his costume to protect her and her child, using his skills at violence to do so.

3. 2018: A sociopath seeking peace and wellness who lives removed and under the radar meets a woman and dons his costume to protect her and others, using his skills at violence to do so.

Yea that may not be the plot buddy

 

[YoNoSe]

1. 1976: A sociopath seeking peace and wellness who lives removed and under the radar meets a troubled young girl and dons his costume to rescue her from her captors, using his skills at violence to do so.

2. 2011: A sociopath seeking peace and wellness who lives removed and under the radar meets a troubled woman and dons his costume to protect her and her child, using his skills at violence to do so.

3. 2018: A sociopath seeking peace and wellness who lives removed and under the radar meets a woman and dons his costume to protect her and others, using his skills at violence to do so.

So Venom is a repeat of other movies? Then I guess it’s not so off topic in the BP thread.

 

[Khev]

So Venom is a repeat of other movies? Then I guess it’s not so off topic in the BP thread.

1. 1994: A royal hero fights a usurper's army in front of crappy cartoon backgrounds.

2. 1999: A royal hero fights a usurper's army in front of crappy cartoon backgrounds.

3. 2018: A royal hero fights a usurper's army in front of crappy cartoon backgrounds.

 

[SNIKT1950]

So Venom is a repeat of other movies? Then I guess it’s not so off topic in the BP thread.

That's a myopic way of looking at it.

The CBM genre can only continue to evolve with films like Deadpool and Logan. Films that break the mold of what a CBM is expected to be. Deadpool deconstructed the genre as an Action/Comedy. Logan did it as a Neo-Western.

Venom looks to be the first superhero movie where the protagonist isn't a "hero" - but rather a sociopath who's forced into heroism. Again, challenging what's normally expected from a CBM.

Its not repetition, but rather new territory in its exploration of a different type of hero.

 

[Khev]

SNIKT I agree that it's fun to see cbm's following the structure of other genres however:

Venom looks to be the first superhero movie where the protagonist isn't a "hero" - but rather a sociopath who's forced into heroism. Again, challenging what's normally expected from a CBM.

I don't see how that makes him any different than The Punisher, Logan in X1, Jessica Jones, Keaton Batman, etc.

 

[YoNoSe]

That's a myopic way of looking at it.

The CBM genre can only continue to evolve with films like Deadpool and Logan. Films that break the mold of what a CBM is expected to be. Deadpool deconstructed the genre as an Action/Comedy. Logan did it as a Neo-Western.

Venom looks to be the first superhero movie where the protagonist isn't a hero - but rather a sociopath who's forced into heroism. Again, challenging what's normally expected from a CBM.

Its not repetition, but rather new territory in its exploration of a different type of hero.

It’s text book repitition based on your own speculative post.

Antiheroes are old news. Even in CBMs.

 

[YoNoSe]

SNIKT I agree that it's fun to see cbm's following the structure of other genres however:



I don't see how that makes him any different than The Punisher, Logan in X1, Jessica Jones, Keaton Batman, etc.

Don’t forget Marv! It’s bad to forget your medication when you’ve got a condition.

IMO the funniest line Miller ever wrote.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I don't see how that makes him any different than The Punisher

Frank Castle is not a sociopath. He has no mental illness at all but rather a militaristic agenda/approach to "punishing" evil men. He's made a pledge to punish those the system won't or won't punish enough.

I don't see how that makes him any different than Logan in X1

X1 Wolverine is not a sociopath either, but rather a soldier with PTSD. He's got rage issues that are both psychological and natural due to his mutation but he's not a "sick" man.

I don't see how that makes him any different than The Punisher

Won't even kill people so no point in discussing her.

I don't see how that makes him any different than Keaton Batman

The closest candidate in your list to the label of sociopath but still not one. This is a hero that sometimes kills. Basically like Wolverine but more isolated. Close but not quite.

Eddie Brock is unique in that he is literally a man who knows he belongs in a psych ward. He's for the most part not a "bad man", but knows he's dangerous enough to society to be perceived as one. Like Travis Bickle and The Driver, he's looking for an outlet for his violent urges and once he finds it its very dear to him. The difference being its not a mohawk or a jacket, but rather a suit that's alive which is as ill and dangerous as he is but also as capable of heroism.

 

[Khev]

All of my examples are characters who exhibit sociopathic behavior. Whether or not there's a scene where a psychologist diagnoses them as such is pretty much irrelevant. You might as well be saying that Venom is unique because its the first cbm about a character named "Eddie Brock."

 

[Thomascrown17]

Its like you saw the movie already...


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[ironwez20]

He’s just spouting out theories. He doesn’t even know the plot of the movie. How do you know this Eddie Brock is a psycho? No where in the trailer does it state this. It looks like the run of the mill down on his luck guy who gets powers and runs from the government. Stop comparing a movie you know nothing about to Logan. A character we followed for decades

 

[SNIKT1950]

How do you know this Eddie Brock is a psycho?

1. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

2. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

3. Have you ever read the two Venom comics Fleischer adapted for the film?

4. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

 

[ironwez20]

1. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

2. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

3. Have you ever read the two Venom comics Fleischer adapted for the film?

4. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

Yea but I know you haven’t. Venom wants to kill Spider-Man. That what he lives for. That’s where he gets his name. That’s his goal. So what makes this Eddie Brock the same as the comicversion? No motivation to kill Spider-Man and on the run from the government. Yea just like venom from the comics.

The only reason why venom becomes a lethal protector is cause he thought he killed Spider-Man.

He looks like he gets the symbiotic at the beginning of the movie

 

[SNIKT1950]

Yea but I know you haven’t.

Hilarious. I own his entire ASM run in both back issues and HC collected. I also own all of his solo comics.

Venom wants to kill Spider-Man. That what he lives for.

Only for a while. Their feud ended with a truce. So no, he doesn't "live" for that.

Afterwards, Brock [like in the film] went home to San Fran to try and live a life of quiet seclusion and peace where the monster could be kept dormant. Until the Life corporation [like in the film] offered him a chance to rid himself of his "demon". In the end, he realizes said demon is more friend than foe and they reunite to destroy the horror the Life corporation unleashed.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Its like you saw the movie already...


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No, he's just back at full power, creating new fan fiction for us to enjoy. Rian Johnson destroyed him a few months ago, so it took him a few months to recover, but he's back and he found a new apprentice that will most likely destroy him again. ;_;

 

[crows]

1. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

2. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

3. Have you ever read the two Venom comics Fleischer adapted for the film?

4. Have you ever read a Venom comic?

You love psychopaths in comic books, you outa LOVE this forum then

 

[Shawpaw]

A real psychologist would love to debate fictional characters’ mental health with Snikt....

 

[ironwez20]

Hilarious. I own his entire ASM run in both back issues and HC collected. I also own all of his solo comics.



Only for a while. Their feud ended with a truce. So no, he doesn't "live" for that.

Afterwards, Brock [like in the film] went home to San Fran to try and live a life of quiet seclusion and peace where the monster could be kept dormant. Until the Life corporation [like in the film] offered him a chance to rid himself of his "demon". In the end, he realizes said demon is more friend than foe and they reunite to destroy the horror the Life corporation unleashed.

Granted it can take elements from lethal protector but we aren’t entirely sure if this follows venom leaving New York after he defeats Spider-Man. This could play out just like those reddit leaks and judging by the trailer it looks like it’s following to the T