Marvel's The Black Panther

[SNIKT1950]

For those who saw the film does the new suit do anything special than his CW suit . Or is it just that electro transformation special effect. you guys can put spoilers

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It absorbs and transforms kinetic energy. Both BP and Killmonger are powerful as **** in those suits.

 

[chewblacca]

Uh oh, looks like the audience review of this on RT is sitting at a measly 76%. Is this honesty or internet tampering?

 

[Caped Baldy]

Just came out of the IMAX screening. Excellent film that stands on its own and didn't feel like a typical MCU offering. Full of great performances, chemistry and emotion.

My favourite line though? "Another broken white boy for us to fix up." Nearly burst out laughing.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Uh oh, looks like the audience review of this on RT is sitting at a measly 76%. Is this honesty or internet tampering?

The politics might not gel well with some people. There's no heavy-handed Liberal message but extremist Conservatives might still take offense with aspects of Coogler's "tear the old tribal rituals down" approach to African culture.

 

[Sassafras]

I saw this twice last night. Excellent film.
I don't always agree with SNIKT's opinions about things, but he's pretty dead on here.



My slight difference of opinion is Feige's responsibility for the film's success. Yes, this film is all Coogler, but Feige helps make the decisions to hire these wonderfully talented artists and keep the overall story of the MCU as cohesive and entertaining as possible. If he gets blamed for some of the missteps, he should be recognized as a huge part of the successes as well.

Well said IMO. I'd be the first to say a lot of bosses are expendable but in this case Feige is a comic fan; has real love for the material; even fought off a penny-pinching superior at one point. He saw possibilities and steered the ship. Feige has been willing to be face of the MCU - even Joe Russo credited Feige. Also, Feige works to keep it fresh and he's realistic about the business. Finally, his decision to use a suite of directors and let them run with the ball gave us TWS, Homecoming, Guardians, CW, Ragnarok, BP.

One of the few people if they walked into a room I would stand and applaud. The man earns his money.

 

[Craig Walker]

"Another broken white boy for us to fix up."

Reverse the races and how does it go over?

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It was good. I think movies like this succeed when the villain is relatable. Jordan is a very good villain. You *get* him. Not just evil for evil's sake. That's boring. Boseman carries the regal thing well. Thumb's up on the 2 main leads. Some other characters were just ok. Whitaker is a great actor, but I almost wanted another person playing his part. I spent the whole time going "there's Whitaker in a Marvel movie". He was good though.

I didn't like the younger sister's character/writing:

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One young girl is the sole reason for all of Wakanda's technology/medical advances etc? This part just seemed weird, fell short. Maybe she needed a brief character exposition to tell us why she is the "whiz kid".

Not a perfect movie by any stretch.

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Main fight scene became over-blown cliches they always do in Marvel movie. Rolled my eyes at the animal inclusion in the battle. i.e. LOTR style. Just didn't work. Bad CG work both times animals used. The final showdown with BP and KM was just "meh". I liked the way they resolved it at very, very end though. There were a few "dead spots" throughout. Didn't care for the "another broken white boy" comment.

The RT critic reviews fawning and glowing.......I'm not so sure about. I can pretty tell what the undercurrent will be when a movie in this style is celebrated.

Political commentary was there. Especially the 1st credits scene, very obvious. I guess this will be "the norm" from here on out. At least it was minimal.

It was good. Not in my Top 5 Marvel movies though.

 

[guyver1]

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It absorbs and transforms kinetic energy. Both BP and Killmonger are powerful as **** in those suits.

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So it can make them shoot lightning or something crazy

 

[Craig Walker]

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So it can make them shoot lightning or something crazy

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Like a shock wave, takes out/knocks down anyone in area

 

[SNIKT1950]

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So it can make them shoot lightning or something crazy

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Basically they can release kinetic energy blasts. Shatter cars, send people flying, etc.

 

[guyver1]

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Like a shock wave, takes out/knocks down anyone in area

didn’t expect that coming..especially for BP

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Anything else the suits can do? Any additions to the claws

 

[Craig Walker]

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Anything else the suits can do? Any additions to the claws

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Not that I remember, other than it originates from the necklace. Like the Iron Man nano-tech, it grows from the necklace. So he can "suit up" anywhere, so long as he has the necklace

 

[The Ween]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...-different-black-panther-movie-165142074.html

 

[guyver1]

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Not that I remember, other than it originates from the necklace. Like the Iron Man nano-tech, it grows from the necklace. So he can "suit up" anywhere, so long as he has the necklace

Hmmm..that’s a bummer, anyway glad I still preordered the HT version

 

[Sassafras]

I don’t get the criticism for having other avengers in movies. Those who criticize, have you read a comic...ever? It’s a universe. There’s nothing wrong with having additional characters.

I don't either. For me the MCU is kunda like reading a book in a way. E.g. as a typical book goes along usually early on the suite of main characters are introduced. You get involved in their arcs. Like people asking where Thor and Hulk were in CW and if Cap & co. would show up a bit in BP. The exception would be an outlier like Guardians. The story weaves back and forth between the main characters.

But BP is earth-grounded and IMO had a pretty significant credit scene in CW. The choice to offer sanctuary told me a huge amount about T'challa as well as his defiance. So I would have argued with Coogler about not giving 10 minutes or so to fending off a nosy Tony or talking with Shuri about, or to Bucky or talking with Zuri about the Civil War events. Having those cameos grounds and interlinks the overarching story.

I get why Coogler dodn't do that. There's some good interviews out where Coogler where he talks about the decisions he made. But for me if the movie is that stand-alone then my reasons for seeing it change - probably to "because everyone is and I like what I know of Africa and it sounds alright to good" rather than "here's another chapter I can't wait to see and take my money NOW". I would have argued with Feige about it too. But IMO Feige is setting up BP for beyond IW2 and he has a success with BP, so guess people like me are gonna have to shell out for another *thin* prelude comic in April. (Not that an A-list producer and director care about a few fan whines anyway)

 

[guyver1]

I don't either. For me the MCU is kunda like reading a book in a way. E.g. as a typical book goes along usually early on the suite of main characters are introduced. You get involved in their arcs. Like people asking where Thor and Hulk were in CW and if Cap & co. would show up a bit in BP. The exception would be an outlier like Guardians. The story weaves back and forth between the main characters.

But BP is earth-grounded and IMO had a pretty significant credit scene in CW. The choice to offer sanctuary told me a huge amount about T'challa as well as his defiance. So I would have argued with Coogler about not giving 10 minutes or so to fending off a nosy Tony or talking with Shuri about, or to Bucky or talking with Zuri about the Civil War events. Having those cameos grounds and interlinks the overarching story.

I get why Coogler dodn't do that. There's some good interviews out where Coogler where he talks about the decisions he made. But for me if the movie is that stand-alone then my reasons for seeing it change - probably to "because everyone is and I like what I know of Africa and it sounds alright to good" rather than "here's another chapter I can't wait to see and take my money NOW". I would have argued with Feige about it too. But IMO Feige is setting up BP for beyond IW2 and he has a success with BP, so guess people like me are gonna have to shell out for another *thin* prelude comic in April. (Not that an A-list producer and director care about a few fan whines anyway)

BP comics have always had other marvel characters dropping in and out in the issues

 

[loki2371]

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Basically they can release kinetic energy blasts. Shatter cars, send people flying, etc.

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So, BP & EK suit's powers simply mimic Wonder Woman's bracelets. That's real creative? Wasn't everyone just oohing and awwing over that a few months ago??

So does anyone dare as to compare this to Wonder Woman? I thought that was the best superhero movie ever to change the future of all superhero movies with everything failing to compare that came before it?? I'm confused now. Which was better? A female led character/cast/director movie, or a black character/cast/director/led movie? Is anyone in the media brave enough to publicly say it in a review?

I was let down by Wonder Woman. Is this all media hype just like WW? A friend saw it last night and he said it was good, not great. A middle tier marvel movie like DR. Strange. And overblown in the media just like WW.

I'm only looking forward to IW this year anyway.

 

[Craig Walker]

I was let down by Wonder Woman. Is this all media hype just like WW? A friend saw it last night and he said it was good, not great. A middle tier marvel movie like DR. Strange. And overblown in the media just like WW.

I liked WW better than this, and I'm not a DC fan, other than 1st two Bale Batman movies.

I like Strange better too. But BP would be in it's zip code.

 

[guyver1]

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So, BP & EK suit's powers simply mimic Wonder Woman's bracelets. That's real creative? Wasn't everyone just oohing and awwing over that a few months ago??

So does anyone dare as to compare this to Wonder Woman? I thought that was the best superhero movie ever to change the future of all superhero movies with everything failing to compare that came before it?? I'm confused now. Which was better? A female led character/cast/director movie, or a black character/cast/director/led movie? Is anyone in the media brave enough to publicly say it in a review?

I was let down by Wonder Woman. Is this all media hype just like WW? A friend saw it last night and he said it was good, not great. A middle tier marvel movie like DR. Strange. And overblown in the media just like WW.

I'm only looking forward to IW this year anyway.

It’s hard to believe that society has to make specifically messaged or themed superhero films like your asumption suggests in order to make an impact nowadays. The world we live in now

The thrill of making a good comicbook movie is gone

 

[Sassafras]

Turnout seemed kind of small in my area but I live in Kansas City, MO. So...that maybe why. There were probably 15 people in my screening counting my buddy and I.

For those who've seen it, question about one of the post credit scenes....

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Did anybody else think Shuri and the....white wolf were gonna be a couple and make out? It was just a weird feeling I got for a minute and I thought it would've been cool.

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No. IMO the two have kind of a unique relationship at this point re the IW prelude comic 1, Shuri has seen into Bucky's head e.g the torture and his assassinations. Nice bit of art there describing what she is gonna do to get rid of the trigger words. Also Bucky has a lot to work through.

Loved the scene as implies Bucky is well enough to be around kids and the nod to Hunter in the comics.

Yeah, I watched online. Guess I should go to the movie. But what the ****; didn't feel like Coogler spent a huge amount of time on credi scenes. I wish they had done one with Tony too.

 

[guyver1]

I suppose next week I’ll start seeing end credit scenes if there are any on Youtbe..but I can’t see why not since Marvel always seems to do this