Media Metal Gear Solid Discussion Thread (NO FIGURES /CUSTOMS JUST GAMES) SPOILERS

[Snake Plissken]

Man, I wish you could join in the discussion. Why don't you rent the game instead of buying it, you might be glad that you did.

It would take him 100 hours to be on the same page with us, not worth it

 

[FSLAR]

Man, I wish you could join in the discussion. Why don't you rent the game instead of buying it, you might be glad that you did.

I actually could probably rent the game, a local store near me does that. But, I have other things to buy

It would take him 100 hours to be on the same page with us, not worth it

It probably would. I mean I had a lot of time for AK, but my semester was just starting out, and was pretty simple then, especially with Labor Day. But I don't have that time anymore, and even then, I'm not too interested in MGS V

 

[Jameson Rook]

Thanks for the warning Raiden, I was suspicious but I'll wait

The other thing with MGS 2 is frankly, there was still some decency to its story! Ignoring the underlying message, it was still a good story. And the gameplay was great too, I still say it was pretty advanced. From what everyone's saying about MGS V, it's pretty bare bones with story.

Well, you still could tell a good story with less cutscenes unlike MGS2's overly bloated presentation (yes, no denying that), but MGSV totally fails at that.

Wait, did you just call me Raiden?

It would take him 100 hours to be on the same page with us, not worth it

Well, better than paying full price for what you're essentially playing once.

 

[FSLAR]

Well, you still could tell a good story with less cutscenes unlike MGS2's overly bloated presentation (yes, no denying that), but MGSV totally fails at that.

Wait, did you just call me Raiden?

Oh yeah it was pretty bloated. End game was awful for that, I really wish the game allowed you to pause cutscenes as well

Oh...um...I did. Oops

 

[RIDDICK]

 

[bangkok_wolf]

After watching the review, there's no point in speaking of it anymore. He sumed it up well, being a mess that it is.
Leaving people like us with a phantom pain for the serie we have invested so much on... I'll just keep a vague memory
of the phantom plot which is the most sound thing this game offered.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Really makes you think WTF was Koji Pro doing for so many years.

After watching the review, there's no point in speaking of it anymore. He sumed it up well, being a mess that it is.
Leaving people like us with a phantom pain for the serie we have invested so much on... I'll just keep a vague memory
of the phantom plot which is the most sound thing this game offered.

Year, it's a bitter pill to swallow as "The End" of the series. I don't even think (fat chance it happening mind you) of DLC that has a completed mission 51 would really make a different to this mess. Especially considering Chapter 3 is completely missing.

 

[FSLAR]

we shouldn't even need DLC to fix this too...

 

[Snake Plissken]

Yeah... that's a clear admission of guilt

 

[FSLAR]

Yeah like, DLC should literally add stuff, like how Left Behind showed us Ellie before TLoU, and showed us what happened between fall and winter after Joel's fatal injury. I don't think Naughty Dog planned on that to be in the game. Adding what was cut out and charging isn't really ok, unless it doesn't add much to the story.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Left Behind got development started after the game release IIRC. Now that, was a great backstory and at the same time filled in the plot hole between Fall & Winter.

 

[FSLAR]

Yeah, and even then, I think that if it weren't released, it probably would have been fine. Not knocking what it did, I still appreciate it.

 

[Kiva]

Wait, theres a secret ending to the game if you dispose of a certain amount of Nukes while playing FOB?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Yeah, and it's already been leaked. It's nothing special, and it's not even worth it to dispose of them.

 

[GasparZizou]

That was a hell of a review, probably the best I've seen for this game.

Yeah I have nothing to add to it.

While it wasn't true the game "had no ending" like people were saying, the ending did come out of nowhere, and it was the actual ending, but it would've been nice to see that missing chapter lead up to that ending, maybe with that chapter the 50 main missions would've been full with narrative and the tapes would've been the overflowing extras instead of the tapes being the narrative itself.

Makes me wonder if that leaked mission list from way back was the real deal.

I'm going to keep blaming Konami, I don't think budget was the issue, but time, with Konami leaving the industry it seems Kojima had to wrap things up one way or the other.

I really love this game, but there's no denying it's a mess, a beautiful mess, it does tie the entire franchise together and it does it good, and I loved every bit of the story we did get to see (maybe not that SF monologue ), but as its own individual story, it ended up suffering for reasons we'll never know.

At the end, The Phantom Pain was the perfect name for it.

 

[Solidus]

Right now, I'm having deja vu, just like my experience with Peace Walker (which had a passable story with great gameplay). I thought the story in TPP could've been paced a lot better, and it could've tied its themes together more coherently. However, it's not that surprising, that despite all of the hype in recent years, in no way does TPP actually speak beyond itself in a discourse about morality and "taboos" - the latter of which, was constantly mentioned by Kojima on Twitter. After all, Kojima isn't a humanitarian and nor does he hold a PhD in Philosophy. He's just a video game designer, who has ideas that he writes in his scripts. Personally, I never regarded him as an authoritative voice on culture, nor the metaphysics involving the human soul (eg. showing the transition of a "good" man becoming evil). I think in the end, he believed too much of himself to deliver on the promises of a ground-breaking script, and the fans who bought into the hype expected as such. It's that kind of expectation that'll lead to disappointment.

Let's face it, MGS 2 was just a one-off. Kojima was a visionary at the time - he mentioned about the dangers of the government, and its manipulation of digital-information to control society, and we can see the effects of that in recent times with the NSA leaks, and even the Patriot Act. However, whenever Kojima ISN'T wearing his tin-foil hat, he's just like any run-of-the-mill writer who struggles to make a decent script. Believe me, I'm not being an apologist for TPP, but I think I've come to understand how Kojima could've struggled with the pits and falls of the writing such a convoluted canon, and trying to tie everything together - especially when he has repeatedly attempted to cut ties with MGS after the release of each game in the series.

I think he tried his best with TPP, but it certainly could've been a lot more. The cut content is disappointing. But, I think what's even more disappointing, is that with an 80 million dollar budget and five years in development, this is the the game we got.

 

[pturtle]

The thing that's crazy though, even with all the cut content, it's arguably the best game of the year. The game does tackle a lot of dark themes and taboos, but execution isn't perfect because a lot of essential story is relegated to cassette tapes, and the pacing hurts the story more than anything else. The story itself is fine except for some loose threads that Kojima didn't get to conclude like the stuff with Eli, and all that stuff with Code Talker giving warnings about Miller.

 

[RIDDICK]

The thing that's crazy though, even with all the cut content, it's arguably the best game of the year.

This summer I was saying "MGSV will be GOTY2015" and you was like "naw brah".
Now it's the other way around... Life is full of surprises.

 

[pturtle]

This summer I was saying "MGSV will be GOTY2015" and you was like "naw brah".
Now it's the other way around... Life is full of surprises.

I’m lost

I think its easily the GOTY (I don’t think it’ll be topped) so far, even all the hardcore MGS fans that are disappointed think its top 3 best games of the year. This game is getting overwhelmingly positive reviews from everyone except the radical hardcore fans.

 

[Solidus]

Well, this game wasn't catered for anyone else except hardcore fans. Imagine how all of the newbs who bought this game feel about The Patriarchs, Les Enfants Imbicilles, or Solid Snake looking younger than he was in MGS 4. He has a horn in his head!

The positive reviews aren't matching the fan reception I've seen on practically everywhere on the net. TPP may get a few GOTY awards, but all of here can agree that it's by far one of the weaker entries into the series. In fact, that seems to be the general consensus everywhere.