Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[Solidus]

I have no idea what an AM Rifle type 69 is but the Marine Corps has never used it or had it as their standard issue rifle.

Ugh... that sounds ridiculous . I guess someone at KojiPro didn't do their research.

 

[GasparZizou]

Agreed. And do you remember that MSF soldier who got shot in the face near the chopper? They could have shown him in a cut-scene, given him a name, and have him help out Big Boss and Kaz with something. It would have really added more to the ending. I guess it goes back to my point in how I felt that Mother Base was practically an afterthought in this game compared to other themes. Kojima could have done so much more, by just going an extra mile to flesh things out just a bit more.

Exactly, it just reinforces my thought that this prologue was just a way to get back the cost of the FOX engine.

Can I just say that it bothers me that next to none of the guns in GZ are accurate and most are not even real guns. Its usually not that big of a deal in games but after how amazing MGS4 was about that its sort of disappointing to me.

As far as I remember, they never get the guns right in MGS, I've read a couple articles of why the FAMAS would have not been the weapon of choice of anyone during the MGS1 timeline

They seem to be just made up hybrids of some sort.

It doesn't bother me though.

 

[pturtle]

Jeez, I step away from this thread for a few hours and all hell breaks loose, don’t worry, now that I’m back things will remain peaceful

On a serious note, I don’t think Chico raped Paz, listening to the tape, once Skull Face saids he wants to see it, Chico ends up giving him the info he wanted so why would Skull Face make him rape her? Then later in the cage, Paz offers Chico some sweet lovin, why do that if they already had sex? Seems to me like she didn’t want him to die a virgin, I could be wrong and I hope someone corrects me, because I’m actually all for Chico raping Paz, it makes my thirst for revenge against Skull Face that much greater.

 

[Dylan]

I never even realized that there were fantasy guns in this game. MGS 4 did have a few (like the Solar Gun), but it was more for novelty than anything else.

MGS4 is like gun porn sometimes. The way Snake takes apart the M4 with the magazine when he first meets Drebin just like they are designed to do in real life, when Otacon surprises Snake with a the MK11 Snake triggers his AK safety and it works the way it does in real life. Even down to the PMC groups using Scars for their main weapon makes sense because at the time everyone thought it was going to be the standard and replace the M16/M4 platform.

As far as I remember, they never get the guns right in MGS, I've read a couple articles of why the FAMAS would have not been the weapon of choice of anyone during the MGS1 timeline

They seem to be just made up hybrids of some sort.

It doesn't bother me though.

Granted the US military never used the FAMAS it is still a real gun unlike any of the guns in Ground Zeroes. They chose the FAMAS for a lot of the same reasons the chose the Scar in MGS4 (see above) but also because it was easy to animate on the PS1 and still looks like a typical video game gun but its real.

 

[Jack D]

Yeah, because SOCOMs and FAMAS were standard issue to US Forces......

Lol you guys.

 

[Dylan]

SOCOMs were standard issue to Navy Seals at the time thats why they are called SOCOMs.

 

[krec9]

 

[Solidus]

MGS4 is like gun porn sometimes. The way Snake takes apart the M4 with the magazine when he first meets Drebin just like they are designed to do in real life, when Otacon surprises Snake with a the MK11 Snake triggers his AK safety and it works the way it does in real life. Even down to the PMC groups using Scars for their main weapon makes sense because at the time everyone thought it was going to be the standard and replace the M16/M4 platform.

Nice, I love the attention to detail with that. I'll have to rewatch those scenes when I replay MGS 4.

 

[Dylan]

Nice, I love the attention to detail with that. I'll have to rewatch those scenes when I replay MGS 4.

There is more too I just cant remember them right now. ALl of the descriptions in the weapons menu are spot on mini wikis about them too. I only wish they implemented a jamming system or something because a lot of the weapons were sort of useless when you had ten spares that did the same thing.

 

[GasparZizou]

MGS4 is like gun porn sometimes. The way Snake takes apart the M4 with the magazine when he first meets Drebin just like they are designed to do in real life, when Otacon surprises Snake with a the MK11 Snake triggers his AK safety and it works the way it does in real life. Even down to the PMC groups using Scars for their main weapon makes sense because at the time everyone thought it was going to be the standard and replace the M16/M4 platform.

Granted the US military never used the FAMAS it is still a real gun unlike any of the guns in Ground Zeroes. They chose the FAMAS for a lot of the same reasons the chose the Scar in MGS4 (see above) but also because it was easy to animate on the PS1 and still looks like a typical video game gun but its real.

But we're talking that MGS1 occurred in 2005, by that time the FAMAS was very outdated.

Well, in their defense, the guns in GZ aren't real so they can do whatever they want with them

That I noticed, I'm not a big gun fan, I'm also not oblivious to them, and MGS4 felt really technical in the way they used the guns, the various stances to hold a gun and shoot, it was really cool.

 

[Dylan]

But we're talking that MGS1 occurred in 2005, by that time the FAMAS was very outdated.

Well, in their defense, the guns in GZ aren't real so they can do whatever they want with them

That I noticed, I'm not a big gun fan, I'm also not oblivious to them, and MGS4 felt really technical in the way they used the guns, the various stances to hold a gun and shoot, it was really cool.

The FAMAS is certainly not outdated. Its still used by the French military to this day. Its much younger than the M16 and that thing is still the most widely used weapon around.

 

[Solidus]

I think I might have to give this a watch. I love eee-yonn-ghaa's conspiracy theories .

There is more too I just cant remember them right now. ALl of the descriptions in the weapons menu are spot on mini wikis about them too. I only wish they implemented a jamming system or something because a lot of the weapons were sort of useless when you had ten spares that did the same thing.

I think I need to buy the MGS Military File. It's all in Japanese, but I can figure it out.

 

[GasparZizou]

The FAMAS is certainly not outdated. Its still used by the French military to this day. Its much younger than the M16 and that thing is still the most widely used weapon around.

Hmmm interesting, answer me this, since you're so knowledgeable, I always had the feeling that PW had a crazy amount of weapon combinations and customs, and some of them didn't even feel they were real, where they accurate?

 

[Dylan]

I had no idea the Military File existed.... thanks man.

 

[Solidus]

I had no idea the Military File existed.... thanks man.

It's an old book, and I regret not getting it on HLJ when it was just $19!!

Here it is:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmetal+gear+solid+military+file&_nkw=metal+gear+solid+military+file&_sacat=0&_from=R40

 

[Dylan]

I am going to have to buy that.

Hmmm interesting, answer me this, since you're so knowledgeable, I always had the feeling that PW had a crazy amount of weapon combinations and customs, and some of them didn't even feel they were real, where they accurate?

More or less. I dont really remember many of the weapons in that game because I mainly used the tranq and CQC, but to my recollection they were era appropriate and as detailed as one would expect out of the PSP.

 

[GasparZizou]

More or less. I dont really remember many of the weapons in that game because I mainly used the tranq and CQC, but to my recollection they were era appropriate and as detailed as one would expect out of the PSP.

Nice, wouldn't be surprised if some of them weren't real though.

 

[Dylan]

Nice, wouldn't be surprised if some of them weren't real though.

I just skimmed through the wiki at the weapons. For the main guns the Hush Puppy, 1911, FAL, M16, C96, AK47 etc are all correct and would have been around during that period. The iffy one i see is the M653 or the M4 in real life that wouldn't have been around until the late 80s or 90s. There are some made up ones (as always) like the EZ gun for example.

 

[pturtle]

I just skimmed through the wiki at the weapons. For the main guns the Hush Puppy, 1911, FAL, M16, C96, AK47 etc are all correct and would have been around during that period. The iffy one i see is the M653 or the M4 in real life that wouldn't have been around until the late 80s or 90s. There are some made up ones (as always) like the EZ gun for example.

The EZ gun isn’t real

 

[GasparZizou]

I just skimmed through the wiki at the weapons. For the main guns the Hush Puppy, 1911, FAL, M16, C96, AK47 etc are all correct and would have been around during that period. The iffy one i see is the M653 or the M4 in real life that wouldn't have been around until the late 80s or 90s. There are some made up ones (as always) like the EZ gun for example.

The AK47 was my fav in PW.

Overall doesn't seem like a bad record at all.