My Knockoff Red/Gold Excl. Iron Man Arrived!

[customizerwannabe]

Those were small number private commissioned pieces. There is a huge difference between commissioning a low run (normally below 30 pieces) and mass production (factory level recasting).

In some cases companies actually pick up the commission and produce it as a licensed product.

Spin it how ever you'd like.

 

[Bullseye]

Spin it how ever you'd like.

Don't tell me you missed out on one

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Those were small number private commissioned pieces. There is a huge difference between commissioning a low run (normally below 30 pieces) and mass production (factory level recasting).

So it's ok if you only steal a little bit?

 

[Bullseye]

So it's ok if you only steal a little bit?

Not even a little bit.

 

[customizerwannabe]

Those were small number private commissioned pieces. There is a huge difference between commissioning a low run (normally below 30 pieces) and mass production (factory level recasting).

In some cases companies actually pick up the commission and produce it as a licensed product.

So it's ok if you only steal a little bit?

Not even a little bit.

Yeah....riiiight.

 

[Shai]

Those were small number private commissioned pieces. There is a huge difference between commissioning a low run (normally below 30 pieces) and mass production (factory level recasting).

In some cases companies actually pick up the commission and produce it as a licensed product.

If there was only 30 recasted iron man maquette, bullseye, you'd still ^^^^^ about it....besides, dont you have an illegally non-commissioned by Marvel Bullseye statue in your collection...

 

[DVDVampire]

Those were small number private commissioned pieces. There is a huge difference between commissioning a low run (normally below 30 pieces) and mass production (factory level recasting).

In some cases companies actually pick up the commission and produce it as a licensed product.

Commissions for less than 30 pieces? I thought that was a thing of the past.

I thought it was buy as many as you want? Christ you even see commissions being brought back from the dead as reissues.

 

[customizerwannabe]

If there was only 30 recasted iron man maquette, bullseye, you'd still ^^^^^ about it....besides, dont you have an illegally non-commissioned by Marvel Bullseye statue in your collection...

Confess!!!

 

[lcummins]

It is a very grey area... that is why I originally locked this thread, but then unlocked it. A lot can be stated for both sides. Discuss freely, but please make sure and keep the discussion civil. Thanks.

 

[Bullseye]

If there was only 30 recasted iron man maquette, bullseye, you'd still ^^^^^ about it....

Damn right. A recast is a recast. Anyway I am not your priest I have had my say on the matter as has Andy.

Maybe the admin can set up a "Recasters Corner" here for you guys.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Confess!!!

Put him in... the comfy chair!

 

[DVDVampire]

Well, the difference is that a Bowen or Sideshow product was produced specifically for the purpose of being sold as a collectible, with limited numbers, etc. That's the entire reason for their existence. The T-Rex prop on the other hand was a maquette designed for a film production with no expectation of making revenue as a collectible for the sculptor/producer other than the initial purpose it served. The effects of recasting are very different for those 2 items, as it's a bit like apples and oranges. Regardless, both of them are wrong.

I am not condoning the recasting of the T-Rex prop. Only pointing out the differences that you asked for.

In the end, both are RECASTS.

 

[customizerwannabe]

You might be correct. It may indeed be against the law to sell a sculpture based on a public figure's likeness (is it?). If that's the case, then I am indeed guilty as charged, and have probably destroyed my chances of becoming raquet ball buddies with Daniel Craig.

As I said before, I ain't no Saint. And I won't try to defend my actions by pointing fingers at other people and pretending I have the right to break the law like some folks are doing here.

Is selling Daniel Craig heads immoral? I guess it could be, and I admit I never thought of it that way. Maybe I should send the couple hundred bucks I made to United Artists and Columbia Pictures to make up for it.

I'm at least willing to fess up to my ethical slips.... That said, if somebody were to recast that Craig head and start selling it without my permission, I would STILL think they are scum of the earth... The fact that I've blurred the line myself in the past does not make recasting OK.

So recasting is illegal but image stealing is blurring. Now I understand. I ain't no saint either and have fixed my mistake as much as I can. Seems like there's been fingers pointed aplenty in this thread.

 

[DVDVampire]

Yes, that was kind of my point. Hence the "regardless, both are wrong" comment.

..........

 

[lcummins]

As I said Andy, a very grey area, and one I don't think we will ever settle among ourselves on this board...

 

[DVDVampire]

So recasting is illegal but image stealing is blurring. Now I understand. I ain't no saint either and have fixed my mistake as much as I can. Seems like there's been fingers pointed aplenty in this thread.

You really didn't fix you mistake. You destroyed a statue and received some kudos.

The seller still has your money.

 

[lcummins]

You really didn't fix you mistake. You destroyed a statue and received some kudos.

The seller still has your money.

That recast will never be sold again, so the "buck stops there" so to speak!

 

[DVDVampire]

That recast will never be sold again, so the "buck stops there" so to speak!

..but the seller will use the $400 to produce more recasts and kill a kitten in the process.

 

[DVDVampire]

You're right Lonnie.... People have been trying to clarify the issue of recasting for sooooo long, but it's often futile. Too much gray area especially among this particular industry/hobby. The legality may be pretty black and white, but the ethics of it will always be blurry and subjective.

...and collectors/sculptors alike will continue to buy/sell them.

So we'll be back here discussing this very thing next month.

 

[KitFisto]

Recasting is awesome.