You have no clue as to what you're talking about. Yes, Lemaire used a trap system when he was coaching except he coached the 95 squad.
2000 was Larry Robinson and 2003 was Pat Burns.
The 00 and 01 Devils teams were the highest scoring teams in each respective year.
Marty has the most wins record by leaps and bounds and as a hardcore Devils fan Marty hasn't exactly had the staunch defenses equl to the ones from 95-03. He did it with his hybrid style and stick handling.
Someone brought up Grant Fuhr being better than Marty. Really? The only reason Fuhr won so much is because of the strong offensive teams he backstopped. I believe his career sv% is somewhere below .900.
Stop with the trap nonsense too. Lemaire himself said that he never called it a trap and that it was the same scheme that those legendary 70's Habs squads used. Oh, and they were backstopped by Ken Dryden.
Truth is a lot of teams use the trap or 1-2-2. That's how the Rags got so far into the playoffs. Do you guys recall a game earlier this season between Tampa and Philly where the Flyers just sat with the puck because the Bolts were using the 1-2-2?
The Devils get a bad reputation because everyone thinks that their team culture is trap, trap, trap. Nuh-uh not true.
I somewhat agree with those who say Hasek and Roy are arguably better than Marty, but those guys weren't the reason the trapezoid rule was put in place. It was so skilled puck handling goalies(ie Brodeur) couldn't handle the puck. Give me a rule in the book that Roy or Hasek's play influenced. None, nada. Plus, Marty's got the records and rings. 'Nuf said.
Great post! Couldn't agree more with what was said. Also, New Jersey was not the first team to play the trap. They just refined a system that teams of the past, like your Montreal Canadiens of old. It's sad how little educated and ignorant fans are to the game.
Beyond the goals against average, wins, shutouts, and save percentages that people look at when valuing a goalie's career, I also look at the consistencies of big number wins, games played (starts; because not every game played is a start), as well as being the complete package. Getting points on the board. Getting in on the play, by having a smart stick. Martin Brodeur handles the puck better than any goaltender I have ever seen play the game.
Martin is very durable in a league where many goalies are being targets for cheap shots to the head and body. These aren't the days of old either when you had smaller players in the league. Yes, you still have your Nathan Gerbes, Tyler Ennis', and Brian Giontas of today, but the average NHLer has increased in size across the board. The emphasize was on that, the league's size average has gone up a considerable amount in the past 20 years. Players take liberties crashing the net more than ever before. This is a tough league for anyone to play in.
More-so focusing on Marty's durability feats...
Martin Brodeur games logged:
13 years: 60 or more games.
12 years: 70 or more games.
5 years: 75 or more games.
4 years: 77 or more games.
Producing a large volume of wins in a season:
8 years: 40 wins or more.
14 years: 30 wins or more.
Patrick Roy's games logged:
8 years: 60 or more games
0 years: 70 or more games.
0 years: 75 or more games.
0 years: 77 or more games.
Producing a large volume of wins in a season:
1 year: 40 wins or more.
13 years: 30 wins or more.
Dominik Hasek's games logged:
5 years: 60 or more games
1 year: 70 or more games.
0 years: 75 or more games.
0 years: 77 or more games.
Producing a large volume of wins in a season:
1 year: 40 wins or more.
7 years: 30 wins or more.
Career games played:
Brodeur: 1,191 and counting.
Roy: 1,029
Hasek: 735
What can we take from this? Brodeur was the superior durable goalie of the three. In Hasek's defence, he started late into his career with the Chicago Blackhawks at age 26.
Brodeur is notable for playing a stand-up, technical man's game. Plays the puck with aplomb. A very complete game.
Roy is notable for playing the butterfly style that he refined and made famous.
Hasek is notable for playing an unconventional style. He didn't win scouts or coaches over with his methods, as he flipped flopped a lot in the net like a fish. Much like Tim Thomas of today. But it was his fierce competitive nature, and the fastest legs in all of hockey between the pipes, that made him near unbeatable down low.
While someone can argue that Hasek is better than Brodeur, after all, he put up some impressive numbers on some weak Buffalo Sabre teams during his prime, I can't really understand where people gage Roy being better than Brodeur. Both are heralded goalies who enjoyed long careers and own a bevy of individual and team accolades. Both had the distinction of being "THE ABSOLUTE BEST" during periods of their careers. Both will go down as Hall of Famers.
The argument, and shortsighted argument I see with Roy being better than Brodeur, that seems to come up in discussions, is the constant mention that Marty played on a trap Devil's team in the 1990's. Define the trap, and the length the Devils playing said trap system. While yes, Patrick did play in the Wild "Gung-ho" West of the 1980's, he also played on a dominate defensive team during that period. Lest we forget that he had a great cast in front of him.
To take a further look, lets see how his backup at the time (Brian Hayward) faired during that time. I'll let the stats speak for themselves;
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2211 The system a team plays helps the guy a lot. Patty would then be traded to a Colorado team that was coming on in the past few years prior to his employment with said franchise. The big trade with Philadelphia which sent an abundance of talent over to the Avalanche, coupled with a primed Joe Sakic, continued Roy's high-standard legacy. Martin Brodeur may have been a beneficiary of solid teams, but make no mistake... So was Patrick Roy.
