NHL 2011-2012 Season

[Grenouille]

remember him

I remember seeing him many times playing for the Maine Mariners racking up the old PIM big time.

 

[Eli26]

Bergeron is fantastic on both sides of the puck...ridiculous he got left off the AS team

Numbers aren't there compared to other players I suppose. Even though his 39 points and +27 are reason enough for him to make the squad. Hey, you would have a guy like Marc Savard not make the All-Star game despite scoring 97 points. lol

I guess they also can only have so many B's players representing their team at the A-S game. There must be a limit one would think or else what would be the point of the game if the two teams playing each other were made up of two different NHL teams?

 

[The Craw]

Exactly! Doesn't mean that he has to retire COMPLETELY from the NHL...he just won't be on the ice. If he does retire, then chances are he will have a fat job with the Pens front office.

I'd rather see him take over for Bob Errey.

 

[Eli26]

remember him

Two things I find funny about this card.

1. The guy's name. Life must have been difficult for him despite being able to play as an NHLer. A dream for most Canadian boys growing up, especially playing hockey.

2. That year of Proset, the first of its kind has to go down as the most poorly edited card set in the history of card sets! It was brutal. Incorrect stats. Misspellings. Mishaps of players names and the wrong player picture on the wrong card. The edges on those cards were easily frayed. Crappiest card set ever. The first Bowman's were awful as well.

 

[Grenouille]

2. That year of Proset, the first of its kind has to go down as the most poorly edited card set in the history of card sets! It was brutal. Incorrect stats. Misspellings. Mishaps of players names and the wrong player picture on the wrong card. The edges on those cards were easily frayed. Crappiest card set ever. The first Bowman's were awful as well.

I don't know how many boxes of that year's Proset I went through, but I never found a damn Andy Moog card. Out of the 800 something card set it was the only missing piece.

90-91 Upper Deck was one of my favorite sets to collect. The glossy cards and photography was just leaps and bounds over every other company at the time.

 

[Eli26]

I'd rather see him take over for Bob Errey.

Everyone seems to have the hate on for Bob Errey. Don't they remember his days as a player? I don't get to watch much local televised Pens games, so I wouldn't know, but the guy was a great two-way forward with a bit of a mean streak and an aggressive edge when he played. He was one of the many reasons the Pens won their Cups in the early-90's. I think the hate on him is the fact he kisses every Penguins player's ass and makes them bigger than legend. That's what I get from the HF posters.

 

[Eli26]

I don't know how many boxes of that year's Proset I went through, but I never found a damn Andy Moog card. Out of the 800 something card set it was the only missing piece.

90-91 Upper Deck was one of my favorite sets to collect. The glossy cards and photography was just leaps and bounds over every other company at the time.

Yup, most card sets were printed on cheaper graded card stock and had flat text backings... only the fronts had some gloss. The old O'Pee'Chee's. The Topps variety which were the O'Pee'Chee of the US were of the same design but cut from worse card stock. Proset was rushed and mediocre at best in its first release. Bowman was as cheapily produced as Topps. The only other decent card company (aside from Upper Deck) to come out that year (1990 the year of the big hockey card boom) was Score. Not glossy or nicely finished off as the Upper Deck cards of old. btw I remember the foil packs they came in as well. Black and silver. Back to score, at least they had proper editing, coloured graphics on the front and back and printed on a half-decent card stock. Liked the old ice rink border. While simple, still cool and clean for its time. Lots of decent cards to pull from that set. The very hard to get Eric Lindros Oshawa Generals prospect card, Jaromir Jagr, and Martin Brodeur's Draft card, among others.

 

[Grenouille]

Lots of decent cards to pull from that set. The very hard to get Eric Lindros Oshawa Generals prospect card, Jaromir Jagr, and Martin Brodeur's Draft card, among others.

I remember finally pulling this card from a pack while visiting family in Quebec. When I got back and people were looking at cards to trade no one wanted mine because they were in French.

 

[Eli26]

I remember finally pulling this card from a pack while visiting family in Quebec. When I got back and people were looking at cards to trade no one wanted mine because they were in French.

Yeah, the brutal irony! heh When the NFL season is over, your signature should be of the Bruins sir.

 

[Deeznutz6]

Yeah, maybe the beginning but the way you're team is going they might not play any more than 82 this year.

The way your team plays, youll be lucky if 82 people watch them play per game

 

[Deeznutz6]

I don't know how many boxes of that year's Proset I went through, but I never found a damn Andy Moog card. Out of the 800 something card set it was the only missing piece.

90-91 Upper Deck was one of my favorite sets to collect. The glossy cards and photography was just leaps and bounds over every other company at the time.

I still have the also, they ended up being 5$ a box at one point

I think it was the upper deck set in 94 that had all the good cards, Lindros, Bure, Amonte, Weight.

 

[Eli26]

I dont think there is a limit. Its a weird set up. Fans vote for the Top 5, then there is a fantasy draft by the league for the rest of the players.

I guess in a Fantasy Draft Bergeron might be left out since there are tons of great Centers in the NHL.

also its crazy Erik Karlsson got the most votes by the fans. He is having a nice year, but most votes? Over every NHL player? Guess Ottawa fans really stuffed the ballots. Cant blame em voting for their own guy though the year they host the AS game.

Guy is a 20 year-old defenseman on pace for 70 points. Name more than 10 defensemen in the history of the game who have done that. I am not the least bit surprised.

 

[Eli26]

oh I understand him being selected, But just surprised he was the #1 vote getter. has he become that popular in every NHL city?

You know there are just 5 D-Men in history that have over 100 points in a season.

Orr (6x), Coffey (5x), MacInnis (1x), Leetch (1x), D.Potvin (1x).

Not surprisingly I know that, but no dman will accomplish that mark again. Best that can happen is maybe 90 and that is pushing it. I say 90 because Green had 73 points in 68 games. Prorated out in a full 82 game season that is 86 points. And that's a generational statistic for a dman. League is too tight, and the goalies are too technically sound to allow for another 100 point dman. Two point seasons from forwards and 100 point seasons by defenseman are a thing of the past. Not enough space like before.

 

[quiggle]

Boston Bruins fans are classless

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[HeadlessGree]

I hope those Philly fans do some jail time

 

[Eli26]

yah in this NHL, no way. forwards have a hard time getting 100 points. They always bring up about changing rules so that there is more scoring, but i like it the way it is now. Games are exciting. Even regular season games.

I meant two point-per-game seasons, not two point seasons. lol If the NHL gets that bad I am out!

 

[risingstar]

My all-time favorite stat line for 1 season is Pat Lafontaine:

1982–83
Verdun Juniors
QMJHL

Games Played: 70
Goals: 104 <-----hello!!
Assists: 134 <---when did he have time?
Points: 234 <----say what???
PIMs: 10 <---too busy scoring

1 season

I miss the era of players when they just ripped up the league with such finesse play.
The players are too big and too good now... Only a handful of players can score over 50 these days.

 

[Deeznutz6]

I miss the era of players when they just ripped up the league with such finesse play.
The players are too big and too good now... Only a handful of players can score over 50 these days.

Dont forget the size of the goalies these days and their equipment

Big win for the Pens tonight. Dont mind if they lay a stinker against the Habs tomorrow

 

[Eli26]

My all-time favorite stat line for 1 season is Pat Lafontaine:

1982–83
Verdun Juniors
QMJHL

Games Played: 70
Goals: 104 <-----hello!!
Assists: 134 <---when did he have time?
Points: 234 <----say what???
PIMs: 10 <---too busy scoring

1 season

I knew those stats actually. Locked in my head w/o looking. Did it with a fellow Freak on these boards. Following year he scored 13 goals and 19 points in 15 games with the Islanders. Not looking up. btw The Freak was in my house when he asked me the question. haha

Better stat line than that... Mario Lemieux's... 70-133-149-282

 

[Eli26]

Dont forget the size of the goalies these days and their equipment

Big win for the Pens tonight. Dont mind if they lay a stinker against the Habs tomorrow

Not just goalie sizes have changed. Correct, you went from guys like Chris Terreri who were billed at 5'7" (with skates on) and 160 lbs wearing skinny pads and tight fitting jerseys to the goalie of today who stands on average 6'1" and 200 lbs wearing big baggy jerseys, huge equipment which takes away a lot of real estate from today's NHL sniper.

That being said there is a greater difference between the goalie of yesteryear from today. The goalies of today actually all come with their own goalie coaches, straight through their Junior days. Which means there is more focus on the goalie position than ever before. The mechanics and technical value of their game has gone up 10 fold from 20 years ago. If you watched the older goalie style, it was an unorthodox style. The old school goalie relied solely on his acrobatics. If he was not fast and acrobatic enough on his feet, he would be easily beaten. The goalie of yesterday had very little structure to his game. He would flip flop in his crease and his rebound control on average, was mediocre-to-fair at best. Don't believe me? Watch an old 1980's game.

Also the average NHLer was much smaller. Hits were far and few between and there was more space and real estate on the ice to move around, so you can get the puck from one guy to another through the neutral zone with way more effectiveness than today. Thus why goal production has come down. Not that your average scorer has gone down in quality. Quite the opposite. Despite the best superstars evolving, everything else has changed and evolved as well. Players are much bigger, faster, and smarter from more refined and detailed systems implemented by coaches. The biggest change, the aforementioned goalie position has evolved the most out of every position in the past 20 years. It doesn't just stop there. The league has since expanded from 21 teams to 30, making for a harder schedule in distance traveled and players getting exhausted going from one city to the next. The cities are further spread out. Before you didn't have to go out to the State of Florida or in Nashville. The addition of more teams means you also bring an extra 250 bodies in, which dilutes the talent pool. What hasn't changed is the ice surface and the size of nets.

What does this all mean in the end? Goal scoring and offensive production has come down in considerable amounts, and no matter what rule changes get made, the game will never see its best star players get anywhere close to what the Gretzky and Lemieux's accomplished in the offensive hayday of the 1980's-to-early 1990's.