NYC Seriously?

[karamazov80]

If ppl were really all that concerned over govt overreach or control they'd be fighting against the things I mention above. But they don't. In fact, I find that the ppl who claim govt tyranny the most, are the most likely to support govt control over those personal freedoms I mention.

There is hypocrisy there when folks try to say that they believe in keeping the government out of EVERYTHING on the basis of my God-granted right to liberty. . .except this arbitrary situation that supports my ideological orientation, or that one. But that's just the way we are. Some folks who will rail against this will issue be the same ones who will say that they will only support a Supreme Court Justice who wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Would be nice if those folks were more honest--just admitting that they only want to restrict freedoms where it is in their ideological interest to do so. That's a legitimate opinion. People can have a complex view of the world where somethings need to be restricted for some reason or another whereas others don't.

But the rhetoric often says one thing, while the behavior says another, and it does reek of self-serving BS. Conservatives want to restrict some of the things that liberals want to do. Liberals want to restrict some of the things that conservatives want to do. Fine. Genuine libertarians are few and far between in my observations, and for good reason--it takes a tough person to be willing to make sacrifices to what you yourself are privileged to at the expense of a philosophical belief.

I will not disappoint.

(Mainly because I'm not letting kara get away with thinking he stumped me.)

LOL

Just give me my Anthrax live DVD, and I'll move on

(apologies if no one gets this reference )

 

[thenammagazine]

So Matt Lauer PWND Bloomberg this morning on Today. Apparently while he's banning 30oz drinks from fast food joints in the name of fighting obesity, he and his administration are in full support of National Donut Day.

 

[Darth Cruel]

I think it is too bad that politics has been relegated to pathetic back-and-forth banter like that.

Instead of turning it into a stupid schoolyard snipe fight, Matt should have asked Bloomberg if he thought his responsibilities were to represent the people and implement their will or to dictate to them what is good for them.

It is too bad that someone who can get a message out to so many people chose to entertain with cool-sounding snipes instead of taking the opportunity to delve into what is really important in the matter.

 

[thenammagazine]

I think it is too bad that politics has been relegated to pathetic back-and-forth banter like that.

Instead of turning it into a stupid schoolyard snipe fight, Matt should have asked Bloomberg if he thought his responsibilities were to represent the people and implement their will or to dictate to them what is good for them.

It is too bad that someone who can get a message out to so many people chose to entertain with cool-sounding snipes instead of taking the opportunity to delve into what is really important in the matter.

Oh, he did, asking Bloomberg what right he had to infringe on civil liberties. Bloomberg blew it off and responded with the cigarette BS trying to make Matt look like an ass by comparing his ban on supersized drinks with the world's growing consciousness about tobacco. That's when Matt fired back. So it was more than appropriate and a well deserved deflation of ego.

 

[karamazov80]

I think pointing out one of the inherent contradictions in passing this law but supporting causes that run counter to its spirit is fair. But yeah, the "gotcha" moments that the media (and politicians/pundits) loves are a sad reflection on things for the most part. There is very little civil discourse nowadays. People talk through each other, and BS pervades every single thing you here. I heard Gingrich propping up Romney the other day on Meet the Press after he ran him through the ringer for so long during the primaries, and it just highlights how little integrity those guys actually have on any given issue.

 

[ali032373]

Part of Bloomberg's support for donut day stems from the fact that Entenmann's bakery is located in Brooklyn. Entenmanns was handing out free donuts in the park today.

 

[thenammagazine]

And that somehow abates the hypocrisy in this current push "against obesity?"

 

[Darth Cruel]

Oh, he did, asking Bloomberg what right he had to infringe on civil liberties. Bloomberg blew it off and responded with the cigarette BS trying to make Matt look like an ass by comparing his ban on supersized drinks with the world's growing consciousness about tobacco. That's when Matt fired back. So it was more than appropriate and a well deserved deflation of ego.

Yeah, I watched it. The whole thing was a waste of air time. Lauer is a pathetic interviewer and Bloomberg wasn't shaken for a second. He snapped back at Lauer after the National Donut Day comment without missing a beat and made Lauer look like a fool.

 

[ali032373]

Oh no. Not at all. I just point out his motivation.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah, I watched it. The whole thing was a waste of air time. Lauer is a pathetic interviewer and Bloomberg wasn't shaken for a second. He snapped back at Lauer after the National Donut Day comment without missing a beat and made Lauer look like a fool.

I dunno. I walked away from it thinking Bloomberg the idiot.

 

[karamazov80]

Lauer is a pathetic interviewer

Where's Jim Lehrer when you need him??

 

[Darth Cruel]

At the end of the day...the citizens of New York have a Golden opportunity here to set an example for the rest of the Nation.

And it looks to me like they are about to fail miserably.

I would like to see a poll of only NYC citizens taken to see what their will is.

 

[thenammagazine]

At the end of the day...the citizens of New York have a Golden opportunity here to set an example for the rest of the Nation.

And it looks to me like they are about to fail miserably.

I would like to see a poll of only NYC citizens taken to see what their will is.

They won't. They'll just voice their disdain and deal with it. That's what 99% of everybody does anyway.

 

[Darth Cruel]

They won't. They'll just voice their disdain and deal with it. That's what 99% of everybody does anyway.

Yep...and that makes me damned mad. Especially when you consider how damned easy it would be to stomp on this foolishness.

 

[The Ween]

eli..............

She'd be pretty if she'd fix those teeth!

 

[The Ween]

You would swear that the only thing she knows how to say is STFU when we meet. I mean, she is such an accomplished actress. She won an Oscar at age 11 for Best Supporting Actress in the Piano. And now she appears on a top rated HBO series.... Surely with accolades like that, you would think she would have something more meaningful to say.

And have a better dentist.

 

[gdb]

This is ALL about personal freedoms.

How is it about personal freedom when New Yorkers would still be free to buy as much cola as they want? Just because corporations wouldn't be allowed to market single severing portions larger than a healthy amount. Idiots who want to drink more than the heathy amount would still be just as free to do so as ever.

 

[KitFisto]

Did I say ban anything completely? So not the same.

Bars are instructed to limit the amount of alcohol sold to a person in one sitting so that's the already being done.

Limiting cigs I am all for that. Stop selling those insane size steaks or burgers in restruants sure.

Like I said until we have a system where people are not responsible to pay for there actions I am 100% ok with controlling portions.

Move to China dude. You don't belong here.

 

[jungle jom]

Move to China dude. You don't belong here.

He might as well move to NYC... It's looking more like China every day.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

This is entirely different. Cigarette second hand smoke has been proven to be a danger to people around it. Are you telling me there is a second hand 20 ouncer at play?

Well when you are pelted by a 20 ouncer thrown from a passing car I don't want to hear about the dangers of the 20 ouncer from you and how it should be banned. They tried to save you from this before anything happened and you just cried about your freedoms........