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DarthNeil
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A person who smokes perhaps lacks some wisdom but it certainly doesn't effect intelligence that I have observed.
Oh, Matt Damon
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The Einstein pic is supposed to mean....? Sometimes a picture isn't worth a thousand words. In this instance it is worth around 2. Einstein smoked. In other words not sure if you are attempting refute what Black said or what I said.
jonny88
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The Einstein pic is supposed to mean....? Sometimes a picture isn't worth a thousand words. In this instance it is worth around 2. Einstein smoked. In other words not sure if you are attempting refute what Black said or what I said.
He is contradicting what Black said and supporting what you said. According to Black Einstein couldn't of been smart because he smoked. just another example Black doesn't know what he is talking about.
Black need to clarify what type of smoke he is talking about.
Smoking tobacco= doesn't make you more stupid
Smoking Crack= makes you more stupid
Smoking Meth= makes you more stupid
Smoking pot= makes you funny. (which l think black should try because he is boring everyone to death.)
Smoking Oregano= kind of stupid, but makes you funny.
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The Einstein pic is supposed to mean....? Sometimes a picture isn't worth a thousand words. In this instance it is worth around 2. Einstein smoked. In other words not sure if you are attempting refute what Black said or what I said.
I'm agreeing with you.
Yeah sorry. I can see that now. Me has a stick up me bumb today.
Let me just say this.
Do teachers have a hard job? Hell Yes!
Do they get paid well to do that job? Thats relative. Depending on where you live and what the cost of living is. In my area teachers make out pretty well. However teachers do get into the line of work and they know going in what the pay is and what the job requires. So I am not sure why so many complain. I worked with troubled youth for 13 yrs both in group homes and in the school setting. I would say my job was just as hard if not harder then many teachers and I got paid way less. But it was the field I picked and I did not pick it for the money. And so I never complained. Would have loved to have summers off also.
Are there Bad teachers? Yep!
Are there great Teachers? Yep!
But here is the final thing and Nam had it right way back on the first page. It's the families. ( don't know if I agree with other things he has said)No Matter how much money you throw into the schools no matter how much you pay a teacher, if we can't fix whats wrong in the homes all that money don't mean anything.
When we had kids in the group home their behavior in school would slowly change for the better (they went to the public schools) but many times/most times when they went back home it all fell apart.
Unless we can fix these useless parents or give the schools more power over the children and give a big F U to the families and say if you don't like then home school him. Then I am afraid that the trend is going to continue.
Do teachers have a hard job? Hell Yes!
Do they get paid well to do that job? Thats relative. Depending on where you live and what the cost of living is. In my area teachers make out pretty well. However teachers do get into the line of work and they know going in what the pay is and what the job requires. So I am not sure why so many complain. I worked with troubled youth for 13 yrs both in group homes and in the school setting. I would say my job was just as hard if not harder then many teachers and I got paid way less. But it was the field I picked and I did not pick it for the money. And so I never complained. Would have loved to have summers off also.
Are there Bad teachers? Yep!
Are there great Teachers? Yep!
But here is the final thing and Nam had it right way back on the first page. It's the families. ( don't know if I agree with other things he has said)No Matter how much money you throw into the schools no matter how much you pay a teacher, if we can't fix whats wrong in the homes all that money don't mean anything.
When we had kids in the group home their behavior in school would slowly change for the better (they went to the public schools) but many times/most times when they went back home it all fell apart.
Unless we can fix these useless parents or give the schools more power over the children and give a big F U to the families and say if you don't like then home school him. Then I am afraid that the trend is going to continue.
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DarthNeil
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I think I can safely say that the teachers who are commenting here aren't complaining about the job-- They're fed up with those outside education who are attacking their profession... There's a big difference between whining and defending yourself.
Well I am not going to lie and say I read all the posts
I was refering mostly to teachers I have known or ones that I have seen on tv or the union reps.
jonny88
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This thread has gone as far as it can go.
There are bad parents who let their kids do what they want, (don't make their kids hit the books before dinner). Well screw those kids then, end of story. If they are not doing well it is the teachers job to call the parents and say "you need more of a hand in this", if that still doesn't work then screw them, fail the kid. It's not the teachers problem, its a family problem, not the teachers fault if the kid is failing and not doing well because he isn't giving it his all. I even heard a teacher say they are not there to babysit. You can't force kids to go to class and learn, that is up to them. If they choose not to take it seriously, fail them. They will get the message sometime down the line in their lives, but don't hold their hand until they finally get it.
There are bad parents who let their kids do what they want, (don't make their kids hit the books before dinner). Well screw those kids then, end of story. If they are not doing well it is the teachers job to call the parents and say "you need more of a hand in this", if that still doesn't work then screw them, fail the kid. It's not the teachers problem, its a family problem, not the teachers fault if the kid is failing and not doing well because he isn't giving it his all. I even heard a teacher say they are not there to babysit. You can't force kids to go to class and learn, that is up to them. If they choose not to take it seriously, fail them. They will get the message sometime down the line in their lives, but don't hold their hand until they finally get it.
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At least he had the dignity and taste to smoke a pipe. Pipe smokers aren't like cigarette smokers, because Pipe smokers sit down and occasionally smoke a quality tobacco with a pleasant aroma like incense. Pipe smokers usually smoke maybe 3 times a day, while cigarette smokers smoke 2 or 3 packs a day. Pipe smokers sit back and savor the smoke. Cigarette smokers are just addicts who need a constant fix. Cigarette smokers smoke all of the time no matter where they are, and do it almost unconsciously, not to mention the fact that cigarette smoke smells like burning rotten garbage.
Pipe smokers and cigarette smokers are not the same animal. Not only that, but the Surgeon General didn't announce that smoking caused cancer until 1963, if I'm not mistaken, and Albert Einstein smoked before then. There is a big difference between starting smoking before everyone knows it causes cancer and starting AFTER that. Did Ayn Rand smoke cigarettes after 1963?
jonny88
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JESUS CHRIST. you just don't give up.
. Another real stupid concept of your beliefs, you have an excuse for everything.
devilof76
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Why you are incapable of judging Ayn Rand's ideas on the merits of their rationality? You determine her intelligence based on something other than her beliefs, and then use your conclusion to judge the beliefs?
CriterionCollector
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Well I am not going to lie and say I read all the posts
Bad Teacher is not a documentary.
Just as an aside to chew on. I'm currently making about 26,000 a year. I'm leaving my job to do 4 months unpaid student teaching to get my bachelor's degree. There's no guarantee I'll get a job once I graduate. If I do land a job, that job pays me a whole whoppin 30,000 a year. Guess where that goes? To pay off student loans. If I want more I need to put in some years to teach which may pay me an extra 500 bucks a year after 3 years. You are now expected to get your master's degree if you want to remain a teacher. Guess how much that pays if you get a master's? Maybe an extra few thousand a year. Guess where the extra income goes? Yep. Student loans.
thenammagazine
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And that's where the problem lies. Have you been reading? Or just waiting to post?
The teacher fails the kid, the parents go ape____ and complain to the district. The administration comes down hard on the teachers who can only show "look, from day one, this kid hasn't performed any of the tasks and couldn't be bothered to turn in a single assignment." So when that's explained to the parents after putting said teacher under a microscope, the parents rant to the government and rather than take a step back and say, "well, what did you do to make sure your child turned in their homework?" to the parents, politicians are backing the parents and blaming the teachers which is resulting in wholesale attack on an educational system that is consistently lowering the standards to pass inept kids of inept parents who should probably be jailed for neglect.
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and look where it got you....
you should have stayed in school instead. you look at obstacles as hindrance, an excuse. when you should have taken it as a challenge.
you sound like a quitter.
Medusas Gaze
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haha love that episode!
jonny88
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And that's where the problem lies. Have you been reading? Or just waiting to post?
The teacher fails the kid, the parents go ape____ and complain to the district. The administration comes down hard on the teachers who can only show "look, from day one, this kid hasn't performed any of the tasks and couldn't be bothered to turn in a single assignment." So when that's explained to the parents after putting said teacher under a microscope, the parents rant to the government and rather than take a step back and say, "well, what did you do to make sure your child turned in their homework?" to the parents, politicians are backing the parents and blaming the teachers which is resulting in wholesale attack on an educational system that is consistently lowering the standards to pass inept kids of inept parents who should probably be jailed for neglect.
Uh yeah, l have been reading. Everything you just said is pretty much what l said and was refering to. Teachers have the right to fail kids and not hold their hands, that is the way the school system works, (you don't pass you don't advance). If that is now a thing of the past and a problem then the US is in serious trouble. Teachers misewell be giving male students hand jobs while they are at it. (which seems to happen lots as well.
)No offence to anyone, but the US has some real serious issues they need to work out. l was watching a National Geograhpic show about prisons, they said the US spends more money on prisons then schools. something is wrong here.
Without being jerky about this. There are other jobs. You know what you were getting into. I know the love of the job draws you to it and it's not about money. But if that is true then don't complain about the money. I had student loans also and worked with the worst of the worst of youth and would have been pumped to make 30,000 a year. But I chose the degree and I chose the job. I did not complain about the pay. I knew what it was going to be. I did it because I wanted to held the kids. I wanted to help make a difference. Hell I was even employee of the year and still only made a tad or 12.00 and hour and that was for 12 months year not nine. But no complaints about pay from me because I really did love my job. It was the system that did me in. Felt like the system did not want to help kids anymore just bring them in take the money and ship them out. No more individual care. No more consequences for poor decisions. I won't get into everything. But you know what I did when all of this happend. I didnt complain about my wage and how unfair the system was. Well I did for a while but when I saw things were getting worse not better. I found another job. Sucks that it came to that. In fact I won employee of the year my final year at that job. They could have paid me more but that would have made no difference. I hated the job now. I was no longer helping kids like I use to and thus it was time to go.
It's no big surprise that in some areas Teachers pay sucks and they don't get much support from the families. But thats why there are other jobs.
Also perhaps it's just cause I live in NY state but we have always needed masters to teach.
I also live in an area where a couple I know who are married are both teachers. The wife has been for about 15 years and the husband for about 10. They own a huge house and have two brand new cars and yet still find time to complain about their wages.
Hmmm.
I agree. We don't need to be putting even more money in the schools but we DO need to stop putting so much money into the prisons. Three hots and a cot should not cost that much i wouldnt think.
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and look where it got you....
you should have stayed in school instead. you look at obstacles as hindrance, an excuse. when you should have taken it as a challenge.
you sound like a quitter.
I graduated High School with a C average, I went to art school on a scholarship, and I audited a couple philosophy classes in college. I didn't drop out or anything. By quit I meant that I lost interest in getting A's. To me, that is quitting. It would have been really embarrassing if I had not graduated High School. In addition to this, I've read hundreds of books. I apologize if I wasn't clear
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