Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Well for me a 7/10 is a good movie......I am not a person that hands out 9/10 and 10/10 like dollar bills at a strip club........

For comparison , Finding Dory 7/10 , Fury Road 8.5/10, Cloverfield Lane 5/10.

So it Is a very good movie......

I wonder if there is some golden rule about keeping the most interesting , desirable characters in a film for under 15 minutes....

TDK: Joker has under 20.
Star Wars : Vader in them , but all under 20 minutes.
Predator : under 10 minutes

Why do they not make a movie where the character people want to see is in at least half the film?

And who played Vader in this?


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Laser sword that! :lol

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Why do they not make a movie where the character people want to see is in at least half the film?

Bingo.

***** boy Krennic was pointless. Once CG Tarkin appeared - and continued to appear, I realized the film didn't need Krennic at all. Vader should have had at least 40 minutes of screentime and intercepted them at the beach the moment they arrived.

I was hoping for the Krennic/Vader approach to be handled like Brian Cox & Tom Noonan in Michael Mann's Manhunter: Two very different monsters operating with ultimately the same goal. I was way off and they wrote Mendelsohn as a *****, wasting one of the greatest contemporary acting heavyweights.

who played Vader in this?

Spencer Wilding, a 6'7" former kickboxer who played the alien prison guard that steals Quill's Walkman in GOTG.
 
I thought Krennic was a great character. Lesser ambition being crushed when it challenges a larger ambition.


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Yup, no way in hell were they going to make Krennic the Alpha Nazi, new that walking in.

If anything I wanted one more scene of him being the lap dog lol.
 
Spencer Wilding, a 6'7" former kickboxer who played the alien prison guard that steals Quill's Walkman in GOTG.

On RPF is being said the following: Although Spencer Wilding as been confirmed as the new Darth Vader, there was another actor for the re-shoots. Spencer did the promo photos and one of the main scenes but a lot of the Darth Vader scenes (most of them) were Daniel Naprous
 
Yup, no way in hell were they going to make Krennic the Alpha Nazi, new that walking in.

Because they're idiots.

In the end its the typical Disney marketing troll given that they made Krennic seem incredibly competent and menacing in the trailers.
 
Because they're idiots.

In the end its the typical Disney marketing troll given that they made Krennic seem incredibly competent and menacing in the trailers.

So you are blaming Disney because you mapped your man-crush for the actor all over the initial 30 second teaser and Disney didn't deliver?

I think "Thanks a lot DISNEY!" Is the new "Thanks Obama!"
 
On RPF is being said the following: Although Spencer Wilding as been confirmed as the new Darth Vader, there was another actor for the re-shoots. Spencer did the promo photos and one of the main scenes but a lot of the Darth Vader scenes (most of them) were Daniel Naprous

Aren't there just two scenes?
 



Anyway, I think I'll leave it at that. If some people don't like the film they don't like the film. I didn't like the prequels, I'm iffy about TFA...I didn't particularly like Avengers Age of Ultron^ :lol

:lol One of the best moments from AoU.

THAT WAS THE BEST PART


so explain, if the two best parts of the flick were your least favorite, how is it a 8/10? :lol

Nah SNIKT is being consistent, he gives 7's and 8's to his most hated films. ;)

While their issues with it are valid and true,

Can't say I agree on that. Sites like RLM's top priority is to promote themselves and their own cleverness, not give an honest critique of a movie. If you post a review that simply states whether you liked or disliked various elements of a film then you fade into a lump RT percentage with all the other reviewers. But if you're scathing and hilarious, or claim that the best part of the movie actually ruins the movie well then you have people talking about YOUR article on other sites. Like now.

Now in defense of your specific opinion my own daughter agrees with you. As I mentioned earlier she ranked RO dead last of all SW films. When I asked why she said it was mostly that RO didn't "feel" like the other ones, she did NOT think the space battle was all that great ("seemed too much like the old battles") and when I said "but what about Vader??" her response was that "he looked like a guy in a plastic costume." :lol Was there a loud sound of a record scratching and everyone clearing the saloon when she said that? No, because I'm not a **** dad who demands that his kids agree with his preferences. I did laugh at the Vader comment and could only say, "well that's pretty much how he looked in the old movies too."

RO should receive a beneficial extended cut with additional backstory.

I respectfully disagree. I think some people are a little too "backstory" crazy in this day and age. The flashbacks with Jyn and Galen were poignant and well utilized. I don't need similar fare with the other team members. Again, think back to ALIENS. What did we know about *any* of the cast outside of Ripley? That the marines were badasses, that they'd been on at least one additional "bughunt," Hudson was 4 weeks from discharge, and that Frost got frisky with an Arcturian. And that's it. Everything else played out "in mission."

I'm not saying that extra character history would have been bad per se, in fact historical war dramas (like SPR) use it to great effect. But I think if a fantasy war film delves too deep in that regard it runs the very real risk of getting too bogged down or coming across as pretentious or trying too hard to be deep. In these types of films archetypes go a long way.

Why do they not make a movie where the character people want to see is in at least half the film?

I think that answer to that is obvious. But it's also further evidence that if RO was all about fan-service then nothing was stopping them from just making Vader every bit as prominent a villain as he was in ANH and ESB. They literally could have. Just as Abrams could have so easily found an excuse to cater to fan wishes of seeing Han, Luke, and Leia all together in the same scene again. But in both cases it seems that story really did come first and that fun fan moments were after thoughts inserted where and when they believed it would be most appropriate.
 
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I cared about the characters in RO.

My wife (who is not a Sci-Fi fan) was crying next to me when they died. My two boys (13 and 15) were at the edge of their seats for almost the entire movie. I'd say they did a pretty good job of investing the audience in the characters.
 
SNIKT is being consistent, he gives 7's and 8's to his most hated films. ;)

I liked ROGUE ONE. I watched it in 2D 70mm at an IMAX Dome. It was nuts (specially after Nolan's superb Dunkirk trailer).

Second and third viewings were 2D 4K projection.

My beef with ROGUE ONE is that it had everything it needed to be a 10/10 yet settled to be something less.

Still a good film but definitely a wasted opportunity to be something comparable to ESB.
 
SNIKT, did you lose your **** and get angry when Vader force jokes Krennic and quips "don't chocke on your aspirations, *****"? He was the Empire's **** boy.
 
We watched more of ANH again last night (trying to squeeze it in among Christmas movies and other holiday errands) and I'm amazed at how well ANH "plays" after RO.

The first time you see Tarkin he's storming into the Imperial meeting claiming that the Emperor disbanded the Senate. Almost as if after the Battle of Scarif the Emperor said "**** it, the charade of diplomacy is OVER. No more of this 'sympathy for the Rebellion' bull****. I let them think they had a say in running the galaxy and that led to an entire fleet coming out of hyperspace and stealing my precious plans. We've got the DS, no more pretenses."

Then when the one guy gives his "this station is now the ultimate power in the universe" line and Tarkin furrows his brow it comes across (if you take RO into account) like he's offended that someone else might be verbally taking ownership of the station. Not a good idea to do within earshot of Tarkin. :)

I thought the Vader/Kenobi duel would be jarring and awkward after RO but it plays better than ever. Now it seems like Vader is literally toying with Kenobi and that when he says "now I am the master" you REALLY believe it. The one Stormtrooper in the hangar is all "son you are in for a show tonight" and ushers the other troopers to go watch Vader make some old dude his *****. Kenobi knows he can't match Vader but that isn't his intention, he still accomplishes his goal and dies with dignity.

So Vader's lightsaber skills from RO really seque nicely to both ANH and ESB IMO. Only RO shows the full extent of what he's capable of. He leads off both duels against Kenobi and Luke by taking it easy on them and fighting down to their level so he can get a few words in. It really works.

Also Han just comes across as an even bigger badass for being a scoundrel in this harsh new galaxy. And if you have the Harmy editions where he does indeed blow Greedo away in one shot he just seems like another guy who knows to to hang in an unforgiving world of sinister agents of the Empire, bounty hunters, and ruthless rebels. Of course a smuggler is going to shoot first in a galaxy where even the good guys might plug you in the back if you look at them cross-eyed.
 
I respectfully disagree. I think some people are a little too "backstory" crazy in this day and age. The flashbacks with Jyn and Galen were poignant and well utilized. I don't need similar fare with the other team members. Again, think back to ALIENS. What did we know about *any* of the cast outside of Ripley? That the marines were badasses, that they'd been on at least one additional "bughunt," Hudson was 4 weeks from discharge, and that Frost got frisky with an Arcturian. And that's it. Everything else played out "in mission."

I'm not saying that extra character history would have been bad per se, in fact historical war dramas (like SPR) use it to great effect. But I think if a fantasy war film delves too deep in that regard it runs the very real risk of getting too bogged down or coming across as pretentious or trying too hard to be deep. In these types of films archetypes go a long way.



I think that answer to that is obvious. But it's also further evidence that if RO was all about fan-service then nothing was stopping them from just making Vader every bit as prominent a villain as he was in ANH and ESB. They literally could have. Just as Abrams could have so easily found an excuse to cater to fan wishes of seeing Han, Luke, and Leia all together in the same scene again. But in both cases it seems that story really did come first and that fun fan moments were after thoughts inserted where and when they believed it would be most appropriate.

But I want to know when Baze and Chirrut fell in love. :tap
 
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