Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm just watching RLM's review (I'm guessing it was already posted), they're hit and miss for me, but oh god, I'm starting to like the movie a little less that's why I never trust my reaction they're pinpointing every gut feeling I had and every thing I noticed but didn't think about because I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt.

I was telling myself that maybe I missed some things but apparently not, a lot of people seem to point out the same things I was trying no to think about, and apparently it is that lackluster of a story and characters.

Just enjoy the fireworks, Vader, and all the

I liked when they mentioned the cast.

"Felicity Jones stars as Jyn Erso, Diego Luna stars as Cassian Andorian, Mob Lon Moore-pond stars as Groove On-do Pan, Plague Monfan Bond stars as Blamm Supperbot, and John Quinn Blabble starts as Orgloss Famblaken backpack"

 

[TonTon]

Just doing my part.

Honestly the only thing that bugged me was

Spoiler

the speed with which the Rebel fleet reaches Scarif.

I would have tried to tweak the handling of time in that case. Everything else was within reasonable demands of suspension of disbelief.

Diego Luna could talk to me with that sexy accent all day. I hadn't seen him anything but Y Tu Mama Tambien that i can recall.

Don't know if you saw it but he was one of the boyfriends in Milk. Not sure what other big movies he's been in.

 

[Star Puffs]

Just enjoy...Vader

Vader's end sequence was awesome.

Don't know if you saw it but he was one of the boyfriends in Milk. Not sure what other big movies he's been in.

I did see Milk. I just didn't make the connection. I looked on IMDB. He's apparently in Elysium, which I have never seen.

 

[GasparZizou]

Just enjoy the fireworks, Vader, and all the

That's all I have isn't it?

Am I jaded? Or are the story and characters really that sterile?

 

[TonTon]

Vader's end sequence was awesome.

I did see Milk. I just didn't make the connection. I looked on IMDB. He's apparently in Elysium, which I have never seen.

I saw Elysium but for the life of me cannot remember what role he was. I guess it was more that it was a forgettable movie. In Milk he was the one...

Spoiler

...who hangs himself

love that I'm doing a spoiler on a 5-year-old movie, but who knows, maybe Rogue One will get people to check out his past movies.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's all I have isn't it?

Yes, but it's entertaining.

Am I jaded? Or are the story and characters really that sterile?

Well, it's a simple story, but if someone can find layers or anything meaningful is you. The director himself said, we made a film from that "one line" in the opening scrolls of ANH. When the genesis of a story is a single line, "rebel spies steal plans", any other ideas that might be in the film are either accidental or there to make something more "complex" than it needs to be.

 

[xipotec]

He plays Matt Damons childhood friend and fellow thief in Elysium. People hate on that movie , but like most sci fi , I liked it alot.

He's better in that than RO IMO.




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[a-dev]

That's all I have isn't it?

Am I jaded? Or are the story and characters really that sterile?

You must let go of your conscious self and trust your first reaction. You enjoyed the film dangnammit!

 

[Khev]

Gaspar it's not like you to dismiss a solid slow burn with an epic finale in favor of RLM clickbait garbage. You're better than that bud!

 

[TonTon]

He plays Matt Damons childhood friend and fellow thief in Elysium. People hate on that movie , but like most sci fi , I liked it alot.

He's better in that than RO IMO.

That doesn't even ring a bell. I enjoyed the film at certain moments but it was a bit too heavy handed for me. Liked the villain played by Vicus from District 9 though (still waiting for that director to match that flick).

 

[GasparZizou]

Yes, but it's entertaining.



Well, it's a simple story, but if someone can find layers or anything meaningful is you. The director himself said, we made a film from that "one line" in the opening scrolls of ANH. When the genesis of a story is a single line, "rebel spies steal plans", any other ideas that might be in the film are either accidental or there to make something more "complex" than it needs to be.

Yeah but it tries to be emotional at times and there's really nothing beneath, so that bugs me.

You must let go of your conscious self and trust your first reaction. You enjoyed the film dangnammit!

I can never let go of my conscious self nor I'm sure it would be good idea, it's not like I went on this film with a critical mind, I went in hyped and everything.

Gaspar it's not like you to dismiss a solid slow burn with an epic finale in favor of RLM clickbait garbage. You're better than that bud!

That was slowburn? that wasn't slow at all

I usually click out RLM videos within the first few minutes, but in this one they were saying all the right things, literally no characters, faux unearned drama, crawling with fan service, etc etc.

I still need another viewing, I won't think about it again until I see it again.

 

[lttgtimaatisgdaicfi]

I loved many of the spaceship designs in RO but like every Star Wars movie since ROTJ we just get glimpses of them as there's too much damn stuff going on in the scene. Drives me nuts.

 

[a-dev]

The fan service complaint is absurd though - the film is set in the time of the original trilogy. It's based on the ANH opening crawl for chrissakes. If people know that going in then they know to expect Stormtroopers, TIE fighters, Star Destroyers, Imperial Walkers, rebel ships. RLM should have skipped this film altogether if they didn't wanna see that.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

"You must let go of your conscious self and trust your first reaction. You enjoyed the film dangnammit!""

"Gaspar it's not like you to dismiss a solid slow burn with an epic finale in favor of RLM clickbait garbage. You're better than that bud!"

"I can never let go of my conscious self nor I'm sure it would be good idea..."

This is more dramatic than the actual film.

 

[Khev]

That was slowburn? that wasn't slow at all

As a sci-fi war film I'd say it was. Not like The VVitch or Ex Machina but along the lines of ALIENS which today I think would be considered slow until everything hits the fan.

 

[TonTon]

The fan service complaint is absurd though - the film is set in the time of the original trilogy. It's based on the ANH opening crawl for chrissakes. If people know that going in then they know to expect Stormtroopers, TIE fighters, Star Destroyers, Imperial Walkers, rebel ships. RLM should have skipped this film altogether if they didn't wanna see that.

I didn't think fan-service moments pulled me out of the movie, but I don't think people are referring to the above--for me they would be 3PO/R2, which others have pointed out felt perhaps chronologically out of time--maybe just show them on the Tantive IV at the end?

Then there's Walrus Man and Dr. Evazan who maybe shouldn't get cameos on a city that is minutes away from being obliterated (plus Evazan apparently has the same reaction to everybody he bumps into).

Leia at the end is more a disservice to the rest of the characters we've just met and witness die as suddenly it's all, "Don't worry remember ANH? **** works out."

As for Vader's final scene, as great and enjoyable as it is for me, I think some of the main characters perhaps deserved a death at the hand of Vader rather than to a bunch of newly invented stormtroopers. But that Vader scene is sick, so I'm conflicted. I'd take both maybe.

Are there any other obvious ones I'm missing? Jimmy Smits doesn't count as fan service as I'm pretty sure most people don't give a crap about Bail Organa, he just seemed like a logical convenient inclusion (like Mon Mothma).

 

[a-dev]

Man (still watching the RLM review) I'd have to try hard to dislike this movie the way they do. As someone in the comments said they don't even know what they want.

And at Clown Prince's post.

I didn't think fan-service moments pulled me out of the movie, but I don't think people are referring to the above--for me they would be 3PO/R2, which others have pointed out felt perhaps chronologically out of time--maybe just show them on the Tantive IV at the end?

The Tantive IV is there at Yavin. Either on the ground or in orbit. They are owned by Captain Antilles and travel with him to the battle. I don't see a huge problem with chronology. Was it necessary to show them at all? I guess not but it upholds a tradition in Star Wars movies - they are always in it. Some future film is bound to break that tradition but a film covering these particular events wasn't likely to be the one.

Then there's Walrus Man and Dr. Evazan who maybe shouldn't get cameos on a city that is minutes away from being obliterated (plus Evazan apparently has the same reaction to everybody he bumps into)

This part I can agree was very fan-service-like insofar as it was unnecessary to anything that was going on in the movie and was only there for the ''oh look who it is!'' reaction.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

The first hour is boring as hell. And so is most of the movie for that part.(Saving Private Ryan in space? LMAO GTFO!) Even if the last 10 mins are some of the best SW we've ever seen doesn't make up for it. (and boy is that fun) It really actually made me appreciate TFA that much more. (I actually kinda despise RLM, but they got this one right)


I guess mediocrity really impresses some these days, but to each their own. Again, more proof we need a stand alone Vader movie. But then again i wonder if less is more.

 

[GasparZizou]

The fan service complaint is absurd though - the film is set in the time of the original trilogy. It's based on the ANH opening crawl for chrissakes. If people know that going in then they know to expect Stormtroopers, TIE fighters, Star Destroyers, Imperial Walkers, rebel ships. RLM should have skipped this film altogether if they didn't wanna see that.

I think there's a point where the fan service fat starts to overflow and starts to get distracting and annoying, I think Tarkin and Vader served their purpose and were brought in with good justification and in good measure, no fan service complaint from me on them, but everything else that clearly doesn't serve a purpose and isn't charming either? Was gratuitous and dumb, just to make the geeks rub elbows in the theaters.

So I'd say the fan service complaint is very well founded..

As a sci-fi war film I'd say it was. Not like The VVitch or Ex Machina but along the lines of ALIENS which today I think would be considered slow until everything hits the fan.

Aliens is definitely slower than this.

This didn't feel slow at all for me, they go from scene to scene laying exposition but without planting the seed of attachment for these characters or possible payoffs for later in the story, made me remember that article someone posted on the IDR thread about movies not having 2nd act anymore.

Maybe, there's actual characterization there, like Mad Max FR, people complained there was no story or characters there, but there's plenty, maybe I missed it here.

As someone in the comments said they don't even know what they want.

I don't know, seems to me they know exactly what they want

 

[Khev]

Maybe, there's actual characterization there, like Mad Max FR, people complained there was no story or characters there, but there's plenty, maybe I missed it here.

No it's fine, your experience was your experience. I'm just surprised, that's all.