Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[DiFabio]

Now, killing younglings did not make Anakin a bad ass, it made me question the forgiveness he received later on instead.

Yyyyuuuupp. It ruins it completely as far as I'm concerned. Yet another reason I put ROTS way down at the bottom of my ranking and disregard it in my personal canon.

Even if you disregard Vader killing children in Episode III and the prequels completely, it's still silly how Vader gets a Force ghost and is "redeemed" in the end. If you don't take into account ROTS and RO, he is still unredeemable.


- betrayed and hunted down the Jedi, killing them
- killed the Tantive IV captain
- tortured Prince Leia
- conspired with Tarkin and was an accomplice in the death of billions
- killed Obi-Wan Kenobi when he lowered his defenses
- shot X-Wing fighters in the back and killed the pilots, including Luke's best friend, Biggs
- trapped and imprisoned Luke's friends
- tortured Han Solo
- wounded his own son and cut off his hand
- killed his own officers
- sold his soul to the Emperor as his slave
- provoked his son to lash out at him so he'd kill him and take his place as the Emperor's new ***** boy
- stands by for almost a full minute as his own son is suffering and getting fried


Nobody should feel sorry for Vader and he definitely shouldn't have gotten that goofy smiling Force ghost. Vader took part in torture, murder and genocide. Killing a room of kids is just a cherry on top.

 

[karamazov80]

Star Wars didn't need Revenge of the Sith or Rogue One as prequels.

Who cares how Palpatine came into power or how Vader turned to the Dark Side or how the Death Star plans were obtained? It's redundant. The Star Wars story is about Luke and his friends anyway. Everything that tries to deviate from that like the prequels (Anakin/Obi-Wan), the sequels (Rey/Finn) and "a Star Wars Story" (Jyn, Woody Harrelson) is pointless because it never really does.

If you're going to make Star Wars films how about doing stories that have nothing to do with the timeline in which the events of the current films take place? Something that doesn't involve the Skywalkers or the Empire or Han Solo.

This has more or less been my argument since TFA came out. I would like to see more movies done in that universe and with that tone, but keeping the same characters, their descendants, derivations of stories we already know, etc. isn't something I get much out of. BUT, that's what most of the audience wants to see, as the response in these threads demonstrates very clearly. So, we're gonna just get more of it.

Like the DC/WB movies, though, I can find some enjoyment here and there (much more in the Star Wars movies than DC), so I'll keep watching until that changes. I thought Rogue One and TFA were pretty enjoyable movies overall, but there is a ceiling on what they can achieve in my mind with this heavy nostalgia-driven approach. Abrams deserves a lot of credit for overcoming the bad taste the prequels left in everyone's mouth, though.

Poggle the Lesser: "I'm sending my warriors to hide in the catacombs. The Jedi must not find our designs for the ultimate weapon. If they find out what we are planning to build, we're doomed."

Count Dooku: "I will take the designs with me to Coruscant. They will be much safer there with my master."

According to AOTC the Geonosians were the ones who had both designed and planned to build the Death Star. Dooku apparently just stole the designs from them and handed them over to Palpatine.

Huh, I had no idea the Death Star was discussed in the Lucas prequels Of course, I haven't seen any of them in over a decade, and never paid that much attention to the details even at the time.

"we're gonna build a death star, and the rebels are gonna pay for it...."

Through. . .TARIFFS! Damn prequel ideas keep coming back.

I watched ANH the day after I first saw RO. The two films flow together fantastically and I found that RO only enhanced my enjoyment of seeing Leia, Vader, Tarkin, and Red and Golder Leader in ANH.

Even if you disregard Vader killing children in Episode III and the prequels completely, it's still silly how Vader gets a Force ghost and is "redeemed" in the end. If you don't take into account ROTS and RO, he is still unredeemable.


- betrayed and hunted down the Jedi, killing them
- killed the Tantive IV captain
- tortured Prince Leia
- conspired with Tarkin and was an accomplice in the death of billions
- killed Obi-Wan Kenobi when he lowered his defenses
- shot X-Wing fighters in the back and killed the pilots, including Luke's best friend, Biggs
- trapped and imprisoned Luke's friends
- tortured Han Solo
- wounded his own son and cut off his hand
- killed his own officers
- sold his soul to the Emperor as his slave
- provoked his son to lash out at him so he'd kill him and take his place as the Emperor's new ***** boy
- stands by for almost a full minute as his own son is suffering and getting fried


Nobody should feel sorry for Vader and he definitely shouldn't have gotten that goofy smiling Force ghost. Vader took part in torture, murder and genocide. Killing a room of kids is just a cherry on top.

I agree with you for sure there. This isn't something I ever thought much about until a few years ago, but Vader doesn't deserve redemption any more than former Nazi officers do.

 

[DiFabio]

Huh, I had no idea the Death Star was discussed in the Lucas prequels Of course, I haven't seen any of them in over a decade, and never paid that much attention to the details even at the time.

 

[karamazov80]

I've never seen a more depressed action figure. Not that I blame him.

 

[Khev]

Yeah looks like Dooku just watched X-Men:Apoc and Deadpool back to back or something.

 

[Khev]

karamazov80: "Why did Rogue One have to give us the fourth movie in 40 years about the Rebellion vs. the Empire? Can't they do anything new???"

*heads off to watch and praise the 7th X-Men movie about Magneto lifting something big, Wolverine getting his ass kicked, Eric and Charles friendship being tested, etc.*

 

[Wor-Gar]

karamazov80: "Why did Rogue One have to give us the fourth movie in 40 years about the Rebellion vs. the Empire? Can't they do anything new???"

*heads off to watch and praise the 7th X-Men movie about Magneto lifting something big, Wolverine getting his ass kicked, Eric and Charles friendship being tested, etc.*

It's funny -- the ALIEN franchise tried to make an Alien movie without the Alien (Prometheus)... and they didn't go so well.

Neither did the "Halloween" movie (#3) without Michael Myers.

 

[rivera2171]

I cant stand any of the X-men movies...

 

[rivera2171]

Sure! If you want help getting discs (complete with vintage label art) just shoot jimjimmyjones85 a PM. You'll never go back to the SE's, *ever.*

Will do. Thanks!

 

[Khev]

I cant stand any of the X-men movies...

"There are few who can."

 

[jye4ever]

I cant stand any of the X-men movies...

"There are few who can."

Meanwhile at the pturtle kara homesteads...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Even if you disregard Vader killing children in Episode III and the prequels completely, it's still silly how Vader gets a Force ghost and is "redeemed" in the end. If you don't take into account ROTS and RO, he is still unredeemable.


- betrayed and hunted down the Jedi, killing them
- killed the Tantive IV captain
- tortured Prince Leia
- conspired with Tarkin and was an accomplice in the death of billions
- killed Obi-Wan Kenobi when he lowered his defenses
- shot X-Wing fighters in the back and killed the pilots, including Luke's best friend, Biggs
- trapped and imprisoned Luke's friends
- tortured Han Solo
- wounded his own son and cut off his hand
- killed his own officers
- sold his soul to the Emperor as his slave
- provoked his son to lash out at him so he'd kill him and take his place as the Emperor's new ***** boy
- stands by for almost a full minute as his own son is suffering and getting fried


Nobody should feel sorry for Vader and he definitely shouldn't have gotten that goofy smiling Force ghost. Vader took part in torture, murder and genocide. Killing a room of kids is just a cherry on top.

It's a good thing Vader isn't a Buddhist.

He'd come back as a pug in his next life

 

[DiFabio]

I cant stand any of the X-men movies...

38% of all the Star Wars movies (8) are any good.

33% of all the X-Men movies (9) are any good.


Both cases are quantity over quality.

 

[jye4ever]

It's a good thing Vader isn't a Buddhist.

He'd come back as a pug in his next life

That actually looks like him.

 

[Wor-Gar]

38% of all the Star Wars movies (8) are any good.

33% of all the X-Men movies (9) are any good.


Both cases are quantity over quality.

What's the percentage of good Batman movies?

 

[DiFabio]

What's the percentage of good Batman movies?

The percentage of good Batman movies is 0.44%

 

[Wor-Gar]

So sad.

But you know, there's someone out there, probably several of them, who thinks the best Batman movie ever made is "Batman & Robin". I kid you not.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

karamazov80: "Why did Rogue One have to give us the fourth movie in 40 years about the Rebellion vs. the Empire? Can't they do anything new???"

*heads off to watch and praise the 7th X-Men movie about Magneto lifting something big, Wolverine getting his ass kicked, Eric and Charles friendship being tested, etc.*

You forgot about Mystique

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Do you buy Harmy or do you just download it?

I got dem Harmy's last year

 

[DiFabio]

there's someone out there, probably several of them, who thinks the best Batman movie ever made is "Batman & Robin". I kid you not.

I already know who those two people are.

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