Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Nah, none of the anthology films will have the scroll because they're not major "episodes". That's also why "Star Wars" is relegated to the subtitle.

Ironically it's the Empire itself, not the filmmakers, who erase the Geonosian link: in the new canon the surface of the planet is "sterilised" to remove all evidence.

RO might skirt around the Geonosian link but Rebels tackles it head-on, and it's canon too.

There's no good reason not to accept that the plans came from Geonosis and were then adapted by the Empire.

Wut

That movie has a ton of good reasons to ignore it. :lol
 
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Yup! Re-used props. :lol
 
Feel free to ignore it, it's canon nonetheless.

Tell that to Gareth Edwards and JJ Abrams. I don't care what the corporate entity that owns the IP says is canon. I only care what the directors had in mind. George, Kershner, and Marquand had none of the prequels in mind when directing the OT because they didn't exist. Abrams clearly made TFA as if the PT didn't exist. Other than Jimmy Smits RO has no other link to the PT (Mon Mothma never appeared in any complete version of the films) and in fact contradicts them moreso than not.

So feel free to adhere to the "company line," but I'll stick to what the films themselves say. :D

Nah, none of the anthology films will have the scroll because they're not major "episodes". That's also why "Star Wars" is relegated to the subtitle.

Like ESB and ROTJ?

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The source of true canon is interesting. Films, cartoons, books, video games and comics... is it all supposed to mix and be part of the universe? Is it really?


So if you argue that its all part of the actual singular 'Star Wars' universe, then does that also work for Batman? The films, the various takes, the animated series -- it's all part of Batman's universe?
 
So if you argue that its all part of the actual singular 'Star Wars' universe, then does that also work for Batman? The films, the various takes, the animated series -- it's all part of Batman's universe?

Yep, Batman retired to Italy after failing to get rid of a bomb on a dock in his early years.
 
Other than Jimmy Smits RO has no other link to the PT (Mon Mothma never appeared in any complete version of the films)

Vader's wounds and missing limbs match up
Clone Turbotank
Mustafar
Coruscant (Jyn's childhood flashback)
Saw Gerrera originated from the Clone Wars animated series that's heavily rooted in the Prequels (and honestly, just as cringeworthy as any lame character in the PT)



Gareth Edwards did a bad job of ignoring the prequels. Why even include Bail Organa? Why even have that awkward shot of him popping up at the conference table like he's someone important along side a music theme? :lol
 
Vader's wounds and missing limbs match up
Clone Turbotank
Mustafar
Coruscant (Jyn's childhood flashback)
Saw Gerrera originated from the Clone Wars animated series that's heavily rooted in the Prequels (and honestly, just as cringeworthy as any lame character in the PT)

All of those things originated before the prequels ever came to be except Saw, and who cares if he was named after a character in a TV show no one watches. E.T. was in TPM but that doesn't link the movie to Spielberg's film.
 
So feel free to adhere to the "company line," but I'll stick to what the films themselves say. :D

Be my guest. It's much easier to ignore the prequels if you stick with the new films. But you also have to disregard Rebels and Clone Wars.

Speaking of the new canon, here's Vader returning to Geonosis to assemble his own personal droid army:


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Like ESB and ROTJ?

Regardless of the poster designs "Star Wars" is the main title in the major episodes and the episode names are the subtitles. "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" etc. I notice since the Disney deal the episode numbers have been dropped for simplicity, so it's now just "Star Wars: A New Hope".

Whereas with the anthology films "Star Wars" is in the subtitle (and I noticed didn't even appear on-screen at all in the RO opening titles!)

Between that and dropping the opening crawl, LFL is making a clear distinction of the importance of the main episodes vs the anthology films.
 
Disney is absolutely aware that the PT are hated by fans and critics and they are proceeding accordingly and there is no denying that TFA/RO succeeded where Lucas failed with the PT.

But the ugly truth is that the PT are obviously 100% canon.

Disney is walking on eggs that are resting on land mines.
 
Be my guest. It's much easier to ignore the prequels if you stick with the new films. But you also have to disregard Rebels and Clone Wars.

Correct. :)

Regardless of the poster designs "Star Wars" is the main title in the major episodes and the episode names are the subtitles.

No, those are just prequel era revisions by Lucas.

Whereas with the anthology films "Star Wars" is in the subtitle (and I noticed didn't even appear on-screen at all in the RO opening titles!)

Thank God because that would have been silly. "A Star Wars Story" is a tagline for the poster, nothing more.

Between that and dropping the opening crawl, LFL is making a clear distinction of the importance of the main episodes vs the anthology films.

Importance? I thought they were all "canon" and of equel importance, along with comic books about Darth Vader fighting Battle Droids. But they DON'T all have the same importance do they, you said it yourself. You've just taken your first step into a larger world. :)
 
All of those things originated before the prequels ever came to be.


Yeah, yeah, "muh Joe Johnston".


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It's still not the same exact vehicle and the Rogue One designers used the same model you see in Sith (Johnston's sketch has 8 wheels, the Turbotank in Sith and Rogue One have 10).


Vader having the same exact number of limbs is irrefutable. Before Episode III it was never established that Vader had two missing legs, a missing arm and a permanently attached cybernetic arm from a bygone era.

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And even then, these two are pretty big reminders. :lol


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So if you argue that its all part of the actual singular 'Star Wars' universe, then does that also work for Batman? The films, the various takes, the animated series -- it's all part of Batman's universe?

Not all franchises bother to establish what is actually canon. Batman has been around over 75 years so obviously there are multiple interpretations. DC probably keeps track of the comic worlds, but each new film series or TV show is considered a reboot.

Whereas after the Disney takeover Lucasfilm declared what was canon and set up its own Story Group to keep track of it.



Gareth Edwards did a bad job of ignoring the prequels.

Who said he had to? Maybe, like Rian Johnson, his opinion is different to yours. Or maybe he was just following the instructions from his employer, LFL.


Why even include Bail Organa?

Well, he *is* an important figure in the Rebellion, referenced even in ANH. So why not use the same actor who was in the canon Episode III? You're still free to ignore ROTS, and the many people who actually liked it get another "Easter egg".
 
Vader is shrouded in steam from above the waist down in RO. You don't see his legs. RO Vader really could be "more machine than man." Besides, having overlapping elements with another movie that itself was trying to adhere to the OT in no way links the two together on that fact alone.

But the "story group" at LFL definitely wants you to link RO to the PT so by all means go right ahead. But I see nothing in the film that leans more on the PT than earlier aspects of the saga save for keeping Smits as Bail.
 
Tell that to Gareth Edwards and JJ Abrams. I don't care what the corporate entity that owns the IP says is canon. I only care what the directors had in mind. George, Kershner, and Marquand had none of the prequels in mind when directing the OT because they didn't exist. Abrams clearly made TFA as if the PT didn't exist. Other than Jimmy Smits RO has no other link to the PT (Mon Mothma never appeared in any complete version of the films) and in fact contradicts them moreso than not.

There's a PT reference in the first 15 minutes of TFA, if anything Abrams embraced them to make them a bit more tolerable. He knows they exist and are part of the cannon. :lol

sure, no one is stopping you from seeing the movies in a different light, as if it were a reboot, but that still doesn't change the official cannon.

Arguing against that is pointless, but it doesn't mean that you can't view them differently.

So if you argue that its all part of the actual singular 'Star Wars' universe, then does that also work for Batman? The films, the various takes, the animated series -- it's all part of Batman's universe?

That's different, as batman has been completely rebooted more than once, universe and all, where Star Wars is a continuation. No way around that.



But the ugly truth is that the PT are obviously 100% canon.

yup
 
No, those are just prequel era revisions by Lucas.

Not prequel-era, ANH was retitled soon after George knew there'd be a sequel.


Importance? I thought they were all "canon" and of equel importance, along with comic books about Darth Vader fighting Battle Droids. But they DON'T all have the same importance do they, you said it yourself. You've just taken your first step into a larger world. :)

Obviously the "episodes" are more important because they tell the core saga of the Skywalkers. You can happily watch them and nothing else.

But if you want the universe further fleshed out you can watch the anthology films, TV series, and read the books and comics. They're all canon but they're optional extras.
 
that still doesn't change the official cannon.

Arguing against that is pointless, but it doesn't mean that you can't view them differently.

You and Prime Clone keep stating this as if anyone is confused about what LFL has declared as canon. It's not a secret, everybody knows. I'm just glad that TFA and RO make such a corporate stance easy to ignore.

Not prequel-era, ANH was retitled soon after George knew there'd be a sequel.

And *no one* called it that, not even George, until many years later. And no, SW was not "retitled" soon after George knew there'd be a sequel. "A New Hope" didn't appear until ESB had already been in theaters a full year.
 
Vader is shrouded in steam from above the waist down in RO. You don't see his legs. RO Vader really could be "more machine than man."



Rogue One behind the scenes. The puppet AND the concept art.


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Judging by that forehead and ear, it wouldn't surprise me if Hayden's actual face cast was used as well.

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Just you wait till Episode 8 and/or 9 bro, you know as well as I do that Star Wars unused concepts always pop back up . . .


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Rogue One behind the scenes. The puppet AND the concept art.

Irrelevant. TFA's concept art is chalk full of trashed PT technology on Jakku. ROTJ has stills of the Rancor fighting the dragon from Dragonslayer. Only the movie counts.

But yes I'm halfway expecting Hayden to reappear in 8 or 9. When Vader's bacta tank appeared in RO I literally braced myself to see a close-up of Hayden peering out the glass. Thank God that didn't happen.

To me their one chance to truly link RO to the PT would have been to have called out Mustafar by name. But they didn't, and that speaks volumes to me.
 
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