Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[Wor-Gar]

While nothing in the SE will ever be worse than Han not shooting first, Han stepping over Jabba's tail is definately 2nd worse.

I think Jabba is worse. Besides looking awful, the dialogue is basically a repeat of what we just saw with Greedo. (for obvious reasons, since the Greedo scene was done as a replacement for that scene originally). Then you have the walk-over-tail bit which is an embarrassment for such a powerful gangster AND Han looks all wonky and digitized doing it. You have Han say "You're a wonderful human being" which makes no sense at all. Then, to top off the utter horror that was just witnessed, Lucas adds a cherry: Boba Fett gawking at the camera as if to say "I'll be back".

As a scene, it is a total disaster beyond what one would conceive if you wanted to sabotage Star Wars. It's genius for its idiocy.

 

[xipotec]

To fully correct it, BvS should be removed, burned and never spoken of again.

 

[Khev]

And it spoils the Falcon reveal. Instead of the ship getting it's own moment it's just randomly in the background during the Jabba scene.

 

[Wor-Gar]

That TOO!!!! Another strike against the most offensive scene in a motion picture. That should be an annual award. It should be called the Jabba.

 

[xipotec]

I think Jabba is worse. Besides looking awful, the dialogue is basically a repeat of what we just saw with Greedo. (for obvious reasons, since the Greedo scene was done as a replacement for that scene originally). Then you have the walk-over-tail bit which is an embarrassment for such a powerful gangster AND Han looks all wonky and digitized doing it. You have Han say "You're a wonderful human being" which makes no sense at all. Then, to top off the utter horror that was just witnessed, Lucas adds a cherry: Boba Fett gawking at the camera as if to say "I'll be back".

As a scene, it is a total disaster beyond what one would conceive if you wanted to sabotage Star Wars. It's genius for its idiocy.

What i HATE about that stupid crap....was all the attention they put to the "Challenge" of Han walking behind Jabba....so the solution? Do a crazy complicated CGI trick that looks BAD....
When all they needed to do was cut away while Han was talking, to Boba Fett watching Han or something, then cut back.....no on would have noticed ot cared about him moving from left to right, and a short cutaway.

 

[Wor-Gar]

That's very true. Good save... or so it should have been.

And they could have stuffed Han's mouth with any new dialogue to keep it from repeating Greedo's speech... and changed "human being" to some alien race name.

 

[Lejuan]

I have never seen those scenes. Ever

 

[Wor-Gar]

I have never seen those scenes. Ever

The CG teacher lies.

 

[Prime Clone]

I always assumed "human being" was sarcasm. I don't have a problem with that scene (Jabba's appearance aside), in fact the only SE changes I didn't like were Greedo shooting first and Luke screaming "Noooooo!" Luckily Lucas saw the light on the latter.

And now that TFA has undone all Han's OT character development it doesn't really matter whether he shot first.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I always assumed "human being" was sarcasm.

You really do buy all the Lucas kool-aid, don't you?

I never fully understood that rationale.

 

[Lejuan]

The CG teacher lies.

OK, I googled the Han-didn't-shoot-first scene just to see what Lucas was doing. The rest I read about. One drop of Lucas revisionist mud tainting the pristine pond of movie magic memories was enough

 

[DiFabio]

I always assumed "human being" was sarcasm.

No, it was quite literal.

 

[Wor-Gar]

That "sarcasm" excuse is what LFL touted in 97 when people asked why the line to now Jabba.

 

[DiFabio]

That "sarcasm" excuse is what LFL touted in 97 when people asked why the line to now Jabba.

Yeah I know it was BS, right along with "the story was in my head since the beginning".

I do wonder how the first film would have been had they kept Luke's original intro, Luke's friends, Biggs, that Jabba scene and all the other deleted scenes. Too bad they'll never be cleaned up.

 

[jye4ever]

I liked ROTJ:SE the best because the changes were the most subtly integrated in that one and didn't really call attention to themselves.

Which Ewok song do you prefer?

Also, is Luke hugging Wedge a SE insert, I don't remember anymore.

Yeah I know it was BS, right along with "the story was in my head since the beginning".

I do wonder how the first film would have been had they kept Luke's original intro, Luke's friends, Biggs, that Jabba scene and all the other deleted scenes. Too bad they'll never be cleaned up.

I never liked Luke's original opening.

 

[Wor-Gar]

When he was "Wormy" or whatever.

That bit -- watching the star battle thru binoculars -- has been in Lucas' opening since the 1974 script draft, when Luke was not a farm boy but a legendary superhero known as Anakin Starkiller.

 

[Prime Clone]

No, it was quite literal.

He was always intended as a stand-in. Otherwise why didn't they originally include that scene as-is?

 

[Wor-Gar]

He was always intended as a stand-in. Otherwise why didn't they originally include that scene as-is?

I think that got retconned too. Hence the "human being" line.

Like you, I heard Lucas was going to superimpose a "monster" over that actor, but the fact the actor has a costume and the fact of the dialogue (Human being)would contradict that. Perhaps Lucas decided to make that man a monster while filming the scene and realizing he looked lame. But then couldn't achieve what he wanted because he filmed it wrong to accomplish full-actor replacement, so they created the Greedo scene to cover the information lost by dumping that "Jabba" scene.

 

[Prime Clone]

Probably. Marvel showed him as a Snaggletooth-type character but that's probably cos the design wasn't finalised so they grabbed an alien at random.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yes, that's actually Mosep Bineed (or Tawss Khan depending on your preference in gender) -- a personal favorite of mine as a child from his silly little walk-by as our heroes enter docking bay 94.

Anyway, the Mosep mask was selected as a "Jabba" option in the creature shop during filming of ANH. In fact the original mask is labeled 'Jabba'... so that's where the comics got its info on what Jabba was supposed to look like. That got retconned eventually when Jabba was realized, and now that comic is said to be Mosep "playing" Jabba, like a decoy.