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[FatHotei]

SOOOOO true. Android 16's death wasn't a good enough reason for Gohan to go SSJ2. Was Gohan even that close to the damn robot? If anything I can explain it as kind of the last straw. Gohan saw his friends getting pulverized, his father dying, and the world was on the brink of destruction. It was building in him the entire fight. Add to the fact that 16 told him to just let it go and just unleash his power. It wasn't the fact that 16 himself died, but that Gohan just finally said enough is enough. Cuz of all that, I'll accept Gohan going SSJ2 at that moment.

Regarding Goku, it was probably the way Krillin died and how bleak everything looked at the moment of his death that really pushed him beyond. Again, it was the buildup of everything that led to the transformation.

Vegeta didn't really care too much about his son at that point and he was still kind of a villain or at least definitely an anti-hero. He has been through a lot and that's made him grow very strong in that aspect. Tragedy just doesn't seem to phase him anymore. He's grown numb. Bulma on the other hand is the power of love As corny as that sounds, he really cares and loves her and to see Beerus slap her like she was his hoe just ticked Vegeta off like crazy. It was just straight disrespect to his girl and he wasn't having that. That hit him right in the Dragonballs. Death he can handle, but disrespect, hell no.

@Sil, thanks bro! It's only gonna get bigger and better

I could see that, but I don't see a reason to not kill Gohan in that moment (or Piccolo in place of 16). I think creators should always be asking themselves, "can I push this further?". If you're writing and you're thinking, "No I can't do that to that character, that's too far," then that's exactly what you should do. Raise the stakes, as they say. I understand that in these moments it was more about the build-up, the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back, but that last piece of straw should be a piece of dynamite. I mean, what's it matter? The dragonballs will erase everything anyway.

My only issue is RoF as it stands. That movie really back-pedalled Vegeta and for no god damn satisfying payoff to boot.

Oh yeah and DBS so far almost entirely. Basically everything post-BoG is letting me down so far.

The thing is, all of dragonball's action is a setup for Goku to come in and save the day. Always has been.

 

[Silrian]

Not with the cell saga... And everything before it I'm fine with. Vegeta was the only one to come close to matching goku and it was against his character to be THE hero before Gohan defeated Cell. He had a build up in moments and owned quite a few people, saved the z fighters from 19 and 20 when Goku caved and we know goku would've been pulverised by 17 and 18 just as much as vegeta was. Vegeta owned imperfect cell but CHOSE to let him live which fitted his character truly at that point, cause he was still a selfish prick.

It's post-cell where this franchise went sour in terms of writing. Dragonball + DBZ up to and concluding with the cell saga is grand. It's nitpickable, sure. But it's not as ridiculous as some stuff that followed. And obviously that IS because post cell onward goku actually has two genuine fellow z fighters that rival him in power. 3 if you count Gotenks. Gotenks is a kid so he gets written off as too inexperienced. Gohan isn't a fighter at heart but the buu saga still shafted him like a mofo. Vegeta's arc was over, he caught up with Goku in the cell era as a ssj, they both couldn't make it to ssj2, nor could vegeta's son, only goku's. That was essentially passing down the mantle/ And then in the buu era theyre suddenly both ssj2 and goku even magically gets 3 out of nowhere and thats where this **** begins to become stupid. Keeping goku nr 1 and vegeta nr 2 for the sake of it. That's what ruined the buu saga largely and its ruining everything that follows too.

Toriyama won't let anyone become the main character except Goku and in DBZ you're the main character if you're strongest, because there's barely any real plot to it. That's the problem of the franchise. I thought BoG signaled a change in that department but for now it seems I was wrong and RoF was a painful depiction of it. Toriyama just doesn't wanna follow up the natural conclusion of the cell saga: that vegeta had caught up with goku, he'd just not battled him yet. But T had to sneak ssj3 in there and humiliate vegeta even further by making their battle in the buu era utterly irrelevant.

Since the start of the Buu period Toriyama's basically been holding a glass ceiling over vegeta in the name of goku. Everything before it was fine and true to character progression imo.

 

[Silrian]

RoF is just ****ing ridiculous. That should've been Vegeta's movie.

Blame toriyama? Blame japanese audiences? I don't know.

 

[FatHotei]

I think I've said this before, but the Buu Saga plays like a parody of dbz. However, Majin Vegeta's quarrel with Goku, his reckoning with Trunks, and his ultimate sacrifice are some of Vegeta's best moments. But the series has never really evolved. I'm sure there was great pressure from the studio to keep the formula somewhat stagnant; many fans don't want character development, they just want to see Goku punch things. Vegeta's arc is over imo. He made his choice at the end of the Buu saga. Instead of fighting his rival, his nemesis, he chose to sacrifice himself for those he cared for. That's why I'm so torn over the Buu saga, because I actually really like that part of Vegeta's arc. Vegeta was aiming for a big fight with Goku since the end of the Saiyan Saga, a chance for revenge for his ultimate humiliation. And he chooses to not pursue that. He takes the higher road and achieves catharsis. No longer is Vegeta bound to his Earthly quarrels. And then a whole bunch of **** happened to make that irrelevant.

 

[FSLAR]

RoF was really hinted at to be Vegeta's movie! Doesn't make sense that it goes down the pits

As for the last page, well, with Goku going SSJ, I think it's truly the hopelessness of the situation, since Goku was practically tossed around pre-Spirit Bomb after that 20x Kaio-What. But after the spirit bomb, Goku had nothing left, and Piccolo was apparently killed. Krillin might have been the last straw, since Gohan was the only person with Goku at that moment, and he didn't want his son to die, considering how he tried to ensure Gohan's survival. For all we know, it didn't even seem like anyone else could have been revived until King Kai brought up Freiza indirectly killing Guru, so Goku had to take it into his own hands.

With Gohan going SSJ2, I do agree that it's far-fetched that 16 is the one to bring it out. Though if I had to theorize, maybe it's since 16 would have been the first to die, along with 16 helping ease Gohan's doubts, so it all just erupted in him. I can't say much else, but maybe that could have been better...maybe Cell should have beaten up Goku a bit more, and then pushed Gohan over the edge. Vegeta and Trunks, I think it's explained well enough that Vegeta realized his love for Trunks, and how much Trunks went through for Vegeta, but Vegeta should have gotten in a good hit on Cell at least. I can buy him not getting strong enough to go SSJ2 though.

On the note of the Cell saga, I always wondered why Trunks never actually reached out to Gohan like he tried with Vegeta, Bulma and Goku. It would have been nice to see Trunks bond with a different version of his best friend and brother figure. They could have done something where Trunks and Gohan got real close, and then Trunks dying brought out the SSJ2 transformation. Maybe even work with it to recrate Vegeta attacking Super Perfect Cell.

Also with Yamcha, well, who cares about him?

 

[FSLAR]

I think I've said this before, but the Buu Saga plays like a parody of dbz. However, Majin Vegeta's quarrel with Goku, his reckoning with Trunks, and his ultimate sacrifice are some of Vegeta's best moments. But the series has never really evolved. I'm sure there was great pressure from the studio to keep the formula somewhat stagnant; many fans don't want character development, they just want to see Goku punch things. Vegeta's arc is over imo. He made his choice at the end of the Buu saga. Instead of fighting his rival, his nemesis, he chose to sacrifice himself for those he cared for. That's why I'm so torn over the Buu saga, because I actually really like that part of Vegeta's arc. Vegeta was aiming for a big fight with Goku since the end of the Saiyan Saga, a chance for revenge for his ultimate humiliation. And he chooses to not pursue that. He takes the higher road and achieves catharsis. No longer is Vegeta bound to his Earthly quarrels. And then a whole bunch of **** happened to make that irrelevant.

I really want a true conclusion to Vegeta vs Goku, nothing like a stalemate, where either Goku or Vegeta trumphs the other. I think it would really complete Vegeta's arc, he'd come full circle. I get that Vegeta admitted and accepted that Goku was truly the better one, but still. I do agree with the rest of what you said on Vegeta as well

 

[FatHotei]

RoF was really hinted at to be Vegeta's movie! Doesn't make sense that it goes down the pits

As for the last page, well, with Goku going SSJ, I think it's truly the hopelessness of the situation, since Goku was practically tossed around pre-Spirit Bomb after that 20x Kaio-What. But after the spirit bomb, Goku had nothing left, and Piccolo was apparently killed. Krillin might have been the last straw, since Gohan was the only person with Goku at that moment, and he didn't want his son to die, considering how he tried to ensure Gohan's survival. For all we know, it didn't even seem like anyone else could have been revived until King Kai brought up Freiza indirectly killing Guru, so Goku had to take it into his own hands.

With Gohan going SSJ2, I do agree that it's far-fetched that 16 is the one to bring it out. Though if I had to theorize, maybe it's since 16 would have been the first to die, along with 16 helping ease Gohan's doubts, so it all just erupted in him. I can't say much else, but maybe that could have been better...maybe Cell should have beaten up Goku a bit more, and then pushed Gohan over the edge. Vegeta and Trunks, I think it's explained well enough that Vegeta realized his love for Trunks, and how much Trunks went through for Vegeta, but Vegeta should have gotten in a good hit on Cell at least. I can buy him not getting strong enough to go SSJ2 though.

On the note of the Cell saga, I always wondered why Trunks never actually reached out to Gohan like he tried with Vegeta, Bulma and Goku. It would have been nice to see Trunks bond with a different version of his best friend and brother figure. They could have done something where Trunks and Gohan got real close, and then Trunks dying brought out the SSJ2 transformation. Maybe even work with it to recrate Vegeta attacking Super Perfect Cell.

Also with Yamcha, well, who cares about him?

I like the idea of Trunks' death bringing out the ssj2 in Gohan. That's where dbz falls flat: developing strong interpersonal relationships.

 

[Ironlegion]

I came across it in the near-comatose dbz collections thread.

Oh good thing you haven't checked this one https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/...banpresto-collection-updated-august-27th.html LOL that's where I post them all picture hahah

 

[Bee Vee]

Ultimate Gohan - SHFiguarts | Out of da Box

 

[Psycho]

Ultimate Gohan - SHFiguarts | Out of da Box

Looks pretty good IMO... Watch next year SDCC for more "accurate" colors...

 

[Silrian]

(...) And then a whole bunch of **** happened to make that irrelevant.

I think it's cool though Vegeta came back because Vegeta had to leave his fight with Goku be because of the situation. At the very last fight, Vegeta actually admits it, he can admit it now, because he's already made the choice to sacrifice himself. It's because of that selfless act that he can also shed his ego enough to see the truth: Goku is the best. Goku is the main char of DBZ, he owns the franchise. Eventually, of everyone on his side, he'll always become the strongest. He is the Superman parallel. But despite that I think it's RIDICULOUS how ssj3 is involved in Buu, that last fight against kid buu and Vegeta's comign to terms with goku doesn't diminish vegeta's atonement, it's possible because of it. I just wish ssj3 wasn't so ridiculously used. It's a time staller, it makes goku flatout decieve vegeta (in their buu era fight, which he admits when they have to fuse), and he could've destroyed Buu with it but he thought vegeta 'wanted to fight too'. It's a ridiculous waste, but I guess as awesome as its introduction is, ultimately ssj3 is a ridiculous design too.

I care for the Buu era for vegeta's arc alone and now of all things exactly THAT seems to be what Toriyama is throwing out the window.

I was so looking forward to a Vegeta that would aspire to become stronger than goku, from a sense of positivity, and joy and sure some pride, akin to goku. Rather than his negatively fueled vendetta. That Vegeta, in his chestarmourless outfit, apparently that vegeta is being retconned. I really hope DBS handles RoF and Vegeta differently. I want a Goku and a Vegeta that DO work together damnit. Against even greater threats. Vegeta as the grumpy anti-hero loner should be a past period of him.

As for the last page, well, with Goku going SSJ, I think it's truly the hopelessness of the situation, since Goku was practically tossed around pre-Spirit Bomb after that 20x Kaio-What. (...)
With Gohan going SSJ2, I do agree that it's far-fetched that 16 is the one to bring it out. (...)

On the note of the Cell saga, I always wondered why Trunks never actually reached out to Gohan like he tried with Vegeta, Bulma and Goku. (...)

– I've always seen goku turning ssj because krillin died as perfect. Because its his oldest friend (watching dragonball adds so much to those characters), his first friend that he STARTED fighting with under roshi's training as KIDS. Secondly, it's the utter, utter, NEEDLESSNESS of his death that I think gets to Goku most. Krillin is not a threat at all. The ONLY reason Frieza kills him, out of nowhere, is to torture Goku. And that action uh karama-style comes back at Frieza fully. I love it personally. It's perfect imo.
– In Gohan's case, it's clearly a drop, but I also think that 16's complete peacefulness reminds Gohan of himself. 16 appeals to Gohan not as a fighter, but as how e truly would like things: to live in peace. Gohan is in this not the same as Goku, he's a fighter by necessity, and 16 appeals to that in a super fragile way (I mean, he's just a disembodied head and loved petting birds, dem birdz!). Then his head gets crushed under cell's heel in front of his eyes. Again, I really don't see the issue in believing this is the sting that makes Gohan pop.
–Lastly, Trunks keeps to himself and it's clear why: he doesn't wanna influence time unless he needs to. It's only later that he realises he's in a second timeline that doesn't alter his own [which is in contradiction to Whis' use of time, which bugs the **** out of me]. I don't think he wants to 1 burden Gohan with any of his story, but also doesn't wanna like... interfere with it. The whole point is that the gohan he sees WONT be his mentor, because his dad will still be alive. It's not future Trunks' Gohan. For the 3rd time, genuinely don't see the issue here. It makes sense to me. That's part of what I like about future Trunks, he's in a caring, grave state of mind.

I really want a true conclusion to Vegeta vs Goku, nothing like a stalemate, where either Goku or Vegeta trumphs the other. I think it would really complete Vegeta's arc, he'd come full circle. I get that Vegeta admitted and accepted that Goku was truly the better one, but still. I do agree with the rest of what you said on Vegeta as well

To me the kid buu fight was all the conclusion I needed. Tough luck for me if that's what Toriyama breaks open again.

Ultimate Gohan - SHFiguarts | Out of da Box

Cool! Thanks for posting.

 

[prodigy1367]

Looks pretty good IMO... Watch next year SDCC for more "accurate" colors...

I love how in the review he talks about how Gohan was supposed to become the main character after Goku but ultimately didn't in the Buu Saga.

I see they didn't improve the figure at all. Just as suspected. Can't wait to be fighting over SDCC Ultimate Gohan a couple years from now


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[imaI2EAPEi2]

To everyone saying cell should've killed piccolo wouldnt that mean the dragon balls would vanish? I dont remember if dende was protector of earth yet, also vegeta didnt really care for future trunks likr a son. He usually treated him like **** and was jealous he was a saiyan and saw him as competition. They didnt have the same realitionship as kid trunks and vegeta. Imo vegeta will never surpass goku stated and shown in every saga, and now by whis. He wont ever be stronger but he can beat him if he exploits gokus weakness.

 

[Silrian]

WOW a turquoise box, didn't see that coming.

 

[prodigy1367]

To everyone saying cell should've killed piccolo wouldnt that mean the dragon balls would vanish? I dont remember if dende was protector of earth yet, also vegeta didnt really care for future trunks likr a son. He usually treated him like **** and was jealous he was a saiyan and saw him as competition. They didnt have the same realitionship as kid trunks and vegeta. Imo vegeta will never surpass goku stated and shown in every saga, and now by whis. He wont ever be stronger but he can beat him if he exploits gokus weakness.

Yup, Trunks was merely another rival. He couldn't give two *****ks if he died which he didn't.

We have to face facts that Toriyama plays favorites. He clearly wants Goku to be the best every time. I've come to accept that Vegeta will ALWAYS be second best, maybe even less than that eventually, who the *****k knows what goes on in Toriyama's head. RoF confirmed all of that. DBS is ignoring his past character development and focusing on Goku. It's terrible writing imo. I don't think DBS's take on RoF will help Vegeta. If anything Vegeta will be the one to be hit with the ray gun and simply stay dead for the rest of the series...I truly have no confidence in Toriyama anymore. The more I think about it, the angrier I get. Vegeta is one of the greatest and most complex characters in the series. To see him fall at the hands of his creator is very disheartening.




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[FatHotei]

I think it's cool though Vegeta came back because Vegeta had to leave his fight with Goku be because of the situation. At the very last fight, Vegeta actually admits it, he can admit it now, because he's already made the choice to sacrifice himself. It's because of that selfless act that he can also shed his ego enough to see the truth: Goku is the best. Goku is the main char of DBZ, he owns the franchise. Eventually, of everyone on his side, he'll always become the strongest. He is the Superman parallel. But despite that I think it's RIDICULOUS how ssj3 is involved in Buu, that last fight against kid buu and Vegeta's comign to terms with goku doesn't diminish vegeta's atonement, it's possible because of it. I just wish ssj3 wasn't so ridiculously used. It's a time staller, it makes goku flatout decieve vegeta (in their buu era fight, which he admits when they have to fuse), and he could've destroyed Buu with it but he thought vegeta 'wanted to fight too'. It's a ridiculous waste, but I guess as awesome as its introduction is, ultimately ssj3 is a ridiculous design too.

I care for the Buu era for vegeta's arc alone and now of all things exactly THAT seems to be what Toriyama is throwing out the window.

I was so looking forward to a Vegeta that would aspire to become stronger than goku, from a sense of positivity, and joy and sure some pride, akin to goku. Rather than his negatively fueled vendetta. That Vegeta, in his chestarmourless outfit, apparently that vegeta is being retconned. I really hope DBS handles RoF and Vegeta differently. I want a Goku and a Vegeta that DO work together damnit. Against even greater threats. Vegeta as the grumpy anti-hero loner should be a past period of him.


– I've always seen goku turning ssj because krillin died as perfect. Because its his oldest friend (watching dragonball adds so much to those characters), his first friend that he STARTED fighting with under roshi's training as KIDS. Secondly, it's the utter, utter, NEEDLESSNESS of his death that I think gets to Goku most. Krillin is not a threat at all. The ONLY reason Frieza kills him, out of nowhere, is to torture Goku. And that action uh karama-style comes back at Frieza fully. I love it personally. It's perfect imo.
– In Gohan's case, it's clearly a drop, but I also think that 16's complete peacefulness reminds Gohan of himself. 16 appeals to Gohan not as a fighter, but as how e truly would like things: to live in peace. Gohan is in this not the same as Goku, he's a fighter by necessity, and 16 appeals to that in a super fragile way (I mean, he's just a disembodied head and loved petting birds, dem birdz!). Then his head gets crushed under cell's heel in front of his eyes. Again, I really don't see the issue in believing this is the sting that makes Gohan pop.
–Lastly, Trunks keeps to himself and it's clear why: he doesn't wanna influence time unless he needs to. It's only later that he realises he's in a second timeline that doesn't alter his own [which is in contradiction to Whis' use of time, which bugs the **** out of me]. I don't think he wants to 1 burden Gohan with any of his story, but also doesn't wanna like... interfere with it. The whole point is that the gohan he sees WONT be his mentor, because his dad will still be alive. It's not future Trunks' Gohan. For the 3rd time, genuinely don't see the issue here. It makes sense to me. That's part of what I like about future Trunks, he's in a caring, grave state of mind.

To me the kid buu fight was all the conclusion I needed. Tough luck for me if that's what Toriyama breaks open again.

Cool! Thanks for posting.

Yeahhh I get that. I still don't personally think the motivation for Goku or Gohan was strong enough in those instances.

And don't get me wrong, I like that Vegeta came back in the Buu saga, I'm talking about all this dbs nonsense.

 

[FatHotei]

Yup, Trunks was merely another rival. He couldn't give two *****ks if he died which he didn't.

We have to face facts that Toriyama plays favorites. He clearly wants Goku to be the best every time. I've come to accept that Vegeta will ALWAYS be second best, maybe even less than that eventually, who the *****k knows what goes on in Toriyama's head. RoF confirmed all of that. DBS is ignoring his past character development and focusing on Goku. It's terrible writing imo. I don't think DBS's take on RoF will help Vegeta. If anything Vegeta will be the one to be hit with the ray gun and simply stay dead for the rest of the series...I truly have no confidence in Toriyama anymore. The more I think about it, the angrier I get. Vegeta is one of the greatest and most complex characters in the series. To see him fall at the hands of his creator is very disheartening.

A little more than JUST a rival. This was a watershed moment for Vegeta. Who else's death would he have attempted to avenge? No one. This is the first legitimate compassion we see from Vegeta in the entire series.

 

[prodigy1367]

A little more than JUST a rival. This was a watershed moment for Vegeta. Who else's death would he have attempted to avenge? No one. This is the first legitimate compassion we see from Vegeta in the entire series.

Forgot about all of that. Been so long since I've seen the series, let alone the Cell Saga. I mostly remember Vegeta always being a **** to Trunks. In the beginning he may have been a rival but towards the end, I guess Vegeta's true feelings came out.

 

[Psycho]

So I got this cube shelf thing and I think it could make my DBZ display pretty good once i get some risers and better lights. Was thinking the ikea lights ppl use in detolfs. Let me Know what you guys think...

 

[Big Deano]

Decided to go ahead and review the SDCC 2011 ssj Goku for folks who may not have seen him, I know the last time it was brought up some folks had no idea there were differences, so here you go