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[Centurion]

Sideshow's stuff "isn't ain't cheap" ?!! My head hurts !

Right.
Clearly mis-read.

 

[Kenmk1]

How much do you think it will be? more or less

 

[Dutchart]

You're gonna build some serious calves if you walk around ( even downhill ) with all that heavy armour on. And I made sure my Sauron had some solid legs too

JV

 

[cstojano]

I suppose you could replace the word 'thin' with fit, trim, or slim but any way you slice it, he should have more 'meat' on him.....and he does have chicken legs.

I never noticed anything skinny about the SSW version.

As for the pose, I think SSW took the low hanging fruit on that one - that pose to me is hard to top, yes it is linear and not challenging to the eye but I love it. I'm not sure how the new version is getting so much support but I stopped trying to understand this. I mean Sauron walking downhill with one leg raised is not what I was imagining. Clearly the new version will utterly destroy the SSW version in terms of detailing though. Hopefully they can pull off the sculpt of the legs to avoid a GTW and ML repeat. Come to think of it the new Orc PF is also running downhill. What gives with this trend SS? There's something vaguely Arwen maquette-ish about this pose. Pose aside the art is amazing.

 

[cstojano]

How much do you think it will be? more or less

700-900 dollars, assuming hollow polystone and no real armor or other costs.

 

[Dutchart]

I never noticed anything skinny about the SSW version.

As for the pose, I think SSW took the low hanging fruit on that one - that pose to me is hard to top, yes it is linear and not challenging to the eye but I love it. I'm not sure how the new version is getting so much support but I stopped trying to understand this. I mean Sauron walking downhill with one leg raised is not what I was imagining. Clearly the new version will utterly destroy the SSW version in terms of detailing though. Hopefully they can pull off the sculpt of the legs to avoid a GTW and ML repeat. Come to think of it the new Orc PF is also running downhill. What gives with this trend SS? There's something vaguely Arwen maquette-ish about this pose. Pose aside the art is amazing.

Hello cstojano Now just for the record, Sauron is not technically "walking" downhill at this very moment in the scene; he just came over the ridge behind him, and probably took out a few last enemies that were trying to ambush him. After coming up and over this ridge, Sauron is coming toward the edge of the precipice he is standing on, which is a steep slope.
He just planted his proper right foot on the ground creating the cracks where his foot came down, but moving slightly forward easing to a slow stop. As he plants his right foot down, his forward momentum then carries him a bit further forward towards us. During this "slow down of momentum", he plants his proper left foot disrespectively, but very Sauron-ly, upon the helm of the fallen elf warrior.
At this point in the picture, Sauron has come to a full stop surveying the land, looking West, probably towards Minas Tirith, or even to the Undying Lands where for a short time he actually served under Illuvator, the Creator.
This is just for the record, from the artist, explaining exactly what is going on in the scene, or at least my vision for it : )

JV

 

[cstojano]

So it appears you gave this some thought then Thanks for the inside info.

Anyway, I'll stop harping the pose, it has nothing to do with your art which is fabulous. There is something monolithic about a statue, a moment in time type of effect that doesn't hold for 2D art in the same way. Clearly this has something to do with the lack of broader context for the 3D representation.

 

[woodsy]

I never noticed anything skinny about the SSW version.

A simple comparison between the Sauron screencaps from the opening scene of FOTR and the SSW statue should make that quite apparent. The chainmail loincloth of the statue is also much shorter than it should have been.

As for the pose, I think SSW took the low hanging fruit on that one - that pose to me is hard to top, yes it is linear and not challenging to the eye but I love it. I'm not sure how the new version is getting so much support but I stopped trying to understand this. I mean Sauron walking downhill with one leg raised is not what I was imagining. Clearly the new version will utterly destroy the SSW version in terms of detailing though. Hopefully they can pull off the sculpt of the legs to avoid a GTW and ML repeat. Come to think of it the new Orc PF is also running downhill. What gives with this trend SS? There's something vaguely Arwen maquette-ish about this pose. Pose aside the art is amazing.

I think the new pose is getting alot of support because not all of us look at art in such rigid terms as you do, and because it's not like the SSW pose. There's nothing wrong with the SSW pose, but it's been done before, and if you think for one minute people wouldn't be crawling out of the woodwork accusing SS of copying Weta's design had they done something similar....I've got news for you. Jerry's managed to capture Sauron's essence without having to resort to using a grandiose pose to accomplish that goal...not an easy feat.

So it appears you gave this some thought then Thanks for the inside info.

Anyway, I'll stop harping the pose, it has nothing to do with your art which is fabulous. There is something monolithic about a statue, a moment in time type of effect that doesn't hold for 2D art in the same way. Clearly this has something to do with the lack of broader context for the 3D representation.

Ok, so let's see if I have this straight.....in one post you say there's something "Arwenish" about the pose, and in the next one you say there's something "monolithic about the statue"....a bit of a contradiction don't you think.

 

[Centurion]

Hello cstojano Now just for the record, Sauron is not technically "walking" downhill at this very moment in the scene; he just came over the ridge behind him, and probably took out a few last enemies that were trying to ambush him. After coming up and over this ridge, Sauron is coming toward the edge of the precipice he is standing on, which is a steep slope.
He just planted his proper right foot on the ground creating the cracks where his foot came down, but moving slightly forward easing to a slow stop. As he plants his right foot down, his forward momentum then carries him a bit further forward towards us. During this "slow down of momentum", he plants his proper left foot disrespectively, but very Sauron-ly, upon the helm of the fallen elf warrior.
At this point in the picture, Sauron has come to a full stop surveying the land, looking West, probably towards Minas Tirith, or even to the Undying Lands where for a short time he actually served under Illuvator, the Creator.
This is just for the record, from the artist, explaining exactly what is going on in the scene, or at least my vision for it : )

JV

Whatever it was that inspired you, it works.

I wonder if there will be a similar base to what you've created in the artwork.....bones and skulls strewn about.

 

[Dutchart]

I'd love to see some of the battle debris on the base, and if this baby ends up being a 3 footer, the base will be large enough to accomodate a lot of that battle gear, bones, sheilds, etc. The only problem is doing so makes it more expensive to produce. We'll see.

JV

 

[Dutchart]

So it appears you gave this some thought then Thanks for the inside info.

Anyway, I'll stop harping the pose, it has nothing to do with your art which is fabulous. There is something monolithic about a statue, a moment in time type of effect that doesn't hold for 2D art in the same way. Clearly this has something to do with the lack of broader context for the 3D representation.

No problem, cstojano. We all love LOTR here, and have different views on things. If I can quote Gandalf in this regard: "We are all friends here, or ought to be. The laughter of Mordor will be our only reward if we quarrel".

JV

 

[cstojano]

A simple comparison between the Sauron screencaps from the opening scene of FOTR and the SSW statue should make that quite apparent. The chainmail loincloth of the statue is also much shorter than it should have been.



I think the new pose is getting alot of support because not all of us look at art in such rigid terms as you do, and because it's not like the SSW pose. There's nothing wrong with the SSW pose, but it's been done before, and if you think for one minute people wouldn't be crawling out of the woodwork accusing SS of copying Weta's design had they done something similar....I've got news for you. Jerry's managed to capture Sauron's essence without having to resort to using a grandiose pose to accomplish that goal...not an easy feat.



Ok, so let's see if I have this straight.....in one post you say there's something "Arwenish" about the pose, and in the next one you say there's something "monolithic about the statue"....a bit of a contradiction don't you think.

No, if you read correctly I was saying there was something Arwenish about THE pose (of the new Sauron, gently outstretched but not poised to strike weapon, figure caught mid stride), and the medium of A statue (generally here Woodsy, not THE Sauron statue) tends to be monolithic in capturing a character in a moment of time, often more decontextualized in comparison to a print it is based on. Think, SSW orc berzerker swinging at nothing. My comment was reflecting concern that a print can look amazing and not translate into a statue that makes sense. Does that make me rigid? I don't know.

 

[Darth Madden]

I'd love to see some of the battle debris on the base, and if this baby ends up being a 3 footer, the base will be large enough to accomodate a lot of that battle gear, bones, sheilds, etc. The only problem is doing so makes it more expensive to produce. We'll see.

JV

I hope they add it sicne it would look very cool. I think once you get in the price range a 3 ft Sauron is going to cost adding some skulls and gear to the base probably won't make a whole lot of difference.

 

[cstojano]

I hope they add it sicne it would look very cool. I think once you get in the price range a 3 ft Sauron is going to cost adding some skulls and gear to the base probably won't make a whole lot of difference.

You figure the footprint of the base will be very big so some debris pretty much has to be added. I almost think its a foregone conclusion especially since Jerry's description of the print is all about Sauron doing some last minute whooping.

 

[Centurion]

Yeah, in the artwork, his weapon appears to be tainted with someone's or something's blood.

 

[woodsy]

No, if you read correctly I was saying there was something Arwenish about THE pose (of the new Sauron, gently outstretched but not poised to strike weapon, figure caught mid stride), and the medium of A statue (generally here Woodsy, not THE Sauron statue) tends to be monolithic in capturing a character in a moment of time, often more decontextualized in comparison to a print it is based on. Think, SSW orc berzerker swinging at nothing. My comment was reflecting concern that a print can look amazing and not translate into a statue that makes sense. Does that make me rigid? I don't know.

Oh Ok, I see what you mean concerning the pose comparison between Arwen and Sauron. As to the 'monolithic' comment I think it's a case of you and I having different definitions of monolithic in relation to it's usage when describing statues. I look at a monolithic sculpture to be one that is massive, solid,and comprised of one piece of stone. Since all of SS's statues are comprised of numerous, indiviudually sculpted pieces that are then assembled I've never thought of using the term monolithic to describe them.

 

[Dutchart]

You figure the footprint of the base will be very big so some debris pretty much has to be added. I almost think its a foregone conclusion especially since Jerry's description of the print is all about Sauron doing some last minute whooping.

Ha Ha, yeah, Sauron whooped someone's rear!

JV

 

[cstojano]

Oh Ok, I see what you mean concerning the pose comparison between Arwen and Sauron. As to the 'monolithic' comment I think it's a case of you and I having different definitions of monolithic in relation to it's usage when describing statues. I look at a monolithic sculpture to be one that is massive, solid,and comprised of one piece of stone. Since all of SS's statues are comprised of numerous, indiviudually sculpted pieces that are then assembled I've never thought of using the term monolithic to describe them.

I admit its a loose usage, glad to clear things up.

 

[Centurion]

Sauron takes out 20 guys in one swing.

 

[Kenmk1]

Hoy much would it be more or less?