Shia LaBoeuf says Indy 5 coming

[Captain Britain]

Not hate Carl, there is a lot to love about KOTCS but I still feel as if the ball was dropped storywise. A lot of poor decisions were made at the expense of the overall film. It's just a mediocre film compared to the HOT TOYSness lol) of the original trilogy.

Not even the original trilogy, just the first film. TOD had loads of great elements - action sequences, design, sets, locations, Mola Ram, Short Round - but a story structure that didn't come close to ROTLA. LC had nothing except Sean Connery - the story was ROTLA-lite, as were Sallah, Marcus Brody, the Nazis, and all the action. KOTCS was just as 'okay' as the first two sequels, compared to the brilliance of Raiders.

One reason why Raiders was so good is that it's the only one to be a straight action film with no hidden personal meanings - Temple of Doom was dark as hell because of Lucas's divorce and the fact that Spielberg had just produced a film in which two children and a leading actor were decapitated (Twilight Zone The Movie). Last Crusade was about father / son relationships, as was KOTCS from the opposite perspective.

I'd love it if Indy 5 was just an exotic, superficial adventure about the race to find a powerful supernatural object!

 

[denryanj]

According to Aint It Cool News, producer Frank Marshall has now confirmed that the script for Indy 5 is in progression;

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/41459






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[IrishJedi]

Imagine if in TOD, they fell from 20,000 feet instead of 200, or jumped 9 gaps in the mine cart instead of just 1. Basically it comes down to self restraint.

Wait, you think they only fell 200 feet in TOD? You need to watch it again.

 

[Deckard]

Wait, you think they only fell 200 feet in TOD? You need to watch it again.

I will, but I'd say more like 500 feet. 200 just sounded nicer compared to 20,000, still I don't think they were all that high.

Plus they were in the mountains and took off from Shanghai so the altimeter was likely showing the distace to the bottom of the mountain and not how far they fell to the top areas.

Still it was the only way out of a crashing plane vs say, Marion just driving off the cliff, for seemingly no reason. She could have just turned right or left, or back the way she came, the Russians were occupied and the ants are gonna be squashed.

 

[thenammagazine]

I think it was Khev who stated it earlier. One of the biggest flaws with KOTCS was that it seemed as if Lucas/Speilberg treated us as if we were dumb. Khev pointed out the refrigerator scene where back in the 80's, they would've showed Indy climbing into it and then the blast and destruction and then cut to him kicking it open after the blast. I doubt any of us would've had a hard time suspending our belief for that scene. But actually seeing the fridge fly around and then smacking, bouncing and tumbling until Indy just rolls out of it kinda cheapened the magic.

Sad thing is, I know Lucas is capable of better. We saw it in ROTS. It would've been tacky to show Anakin cutting down all the younglings in the temple. But there, Lucas trusted us enough to know that if he implied it, we'd understand what happened without having to see little kids hacked to pieces with blasters and a lightsaber.

That said, there's nothing that can save the Tarzan Mutt scene short of editing it out.

 

[Deak Starkiller]

The problem was quanity that effected quality.

Let me explain, Mutt swordfighting plus straddling the jeeps takes a plant to the crotch. Sort of funny. Then another, and another and another, and it keeps going.

Same deal with swinging, one swing to get going so we could see, oh thats what hes doing, and then just him swinging out of nowhere into the jeep would have worked just fine. Him swining again and again with the queer music change that doesn't fit the scene and all the CGI monkies, just lame.

Prarie dogs in the beginning fine, again with the rocketsled and cheap hey there goes Indy look, really gay.

One waterfall, ok. 3, just insane.

Imagine if in TOD, they fell from 20,000 feet instead of 200, or jumped 9 gaps in the mine cart instead of just 1. Basically it comes down to self restraint.

They need to learn when and where to draw the line and god dammit, stop catering to the mtv crowd, that was never nor should it be, the audience for this franchise or type of film.

The problem with Shia is not his acting, its all the screen time he takes from Ford to impress some dumb 9 year old girl with a crush.

Oh, and the only way to top a nuclear blast, is to actually kill Indy and bring him back to life, like in the Monkey King script, its gonna happen and its going to be lame.

Rick is my hero!

 

[Deak Starkiller]

I think it was Khev who stated it earlier. One of the biggest flaws with KOTCS was that it seemed as if Lucas/Speilberg treated us as if we were dumb. Khev pointed out the refrigerator scene where back in the 80's, they would've showed Indy climbing into it and then the blast and destruction and then cut to him kicking it open after the blast. I doubt any of us would've had a hard time suspending our belief for that scene. But actually seeing the fridge fly around and then smacking, bouncing and tumbling until Indy just rolls out of it kinda cheapened the magic.

Sad thing is, I know Lucas is capable of better. We saw it in ROTS. It would've been tacky to show Anakin cutting down all the younglings in the temple. But there, Lucas trusted us enough to know that if he implied it, we'd understand what happened without having to see little kids hacked to pieces with blasters and a lightsaber.

That said, there's nothing that can save the Tarzan Mutt scene short of editing it out.

Again QFT! I think the same can be said about the "aliens" in KOTCS and how they were portrayed. Too many dumb cgi-money shots. Also what was up with Indy never actually using his gun or barely using his whip? Also shooting on location really helps the feel of an Indiana Jones movie but I also loved the graveyard scene in KOTCS too. A good mix of sound stage work along with location goes a long way. RIP Elstree studios.

 

[Vader1]

indy 4 sucked. Not looking for any more of them.

 

[choopie]

According to Aint It Cool News, producer Frank Marshall has now confirmed that the script for Indy 5 is in progression;

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/41459






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Yeah, it's still in the research phase, which means a draft hasn't even been written yet. And the article also emphasized that Harrison, Lucas and Spielberg have to agree. This could take a long while.

 

[BadMoon]

My biggest problem for Indy wasn't necessarily the aliens but the whole plot of the film.

You never felt that Indy really needed to do any of that with the skull. In Raiders his final goal was to save Marian, in Doom it was save the children, and in Crusade he had to save his father.

I guess I just didn't see the point to the whole movie.

 

[NASEDO]

Its Lucas and his damn CGI, the older films looked more real, making the stunts more believable, where as the new film looks like a cartoon.

 

[a-dev]

Still it was the only way out of a crashing plane vs say, Marion just driving off the cliff, for seemingly no reason. She could have just turned right or left, or back the way she came, the Russians were occupied and the ants are gonna be squashed.

EXACTLY!! In the original trilogy the characters were forced into death-defying situations and got out of them by sheer luck and the our-world fact that this is supposed to be a light adventure film and they're hardly going to actually kill anyone. But in KOTKS we had scenes like that where for no discernible reason Marion deliberately drove their car off a cliff and they survived by sheer luck. A) How was she so confident that this was the course to take? How did she know there was a big tree that they'd land on below? And B) Why did she find it all so very funny, giggling and laughing leading me to wonder if the writers intentionally wrote her character to be insane?? It ruined the film for me.

 

[Shai]

Opinions are like belly buttons. Everybody has one.

But you have two....

 

[Agent0028]

I'm just glad little things don't bother me in movies. There were some things I disliked about the movie, but they weren't enough to make me dislike it.

 

[The Ween]

I'm just glad little things don't bother me in movies. There were some things I disliked about the movie, but they weren't enough to make me dislike it.

Same here. I think some people watch movies like film critics do, looking for faults. I just watch it for the ride.

 

[FlyAndFight]

If Ford isn't Indy then it needs to stop. Thats just silly talk IMO putting someone else in that role.

I wouldn't call KOTCS a disappointment. It was a good film and was enjoyable. Now, Terminator Salvation I would call a disappointment.

Why not replace Ford? Bond has been replaced endless times (some good, some bad) but has managed to survive as a franchise. Like Connery who got too long in the tooth for Bond, it's time to replace Ford and more importantly, get him back to the 30's, where the world still holds mysterious and isolated locations. The 50's time-line is a detriment to the series. By that time, the world really has become a smaller place. The exotic locations can be reached in no time.

Continuing with Ford is simply crippling the character's potential. We will get to the point that the stunts will get more and more unbelievable for a man his age.

Perhaps the next film can have him visit the "Fountain of Youth" and it makes him younger (allowing the introduction of a new actor) and/or taking him back in time, somehow.

 

[Agent0028]

To me Bond is different because he was a literary character. All of the actors have managed to capture some aspect of his personality and none have been able to capture it perfectly in its entirety. Indy however was made by Harrison Ford. For a new actor to take his place they must try to pretend to be Ford. I don't think it would work very well and I don't think audiences would accept it. I think that's why they're hoping someone like Mutt can take the franchise.

 

[The Josh]

To me Bond is different because he was a literary character. All of the actors have managed to capture some aspect of his personality and none have been able to capture it perfectly in its entirety. Indy however was made by Harrison Ford. For a new actor to take his place they must try to pretend to be Ford. I don't think it would work very well and I don't think audiences would accept it. I think that's why they're hoping someone like Mutt can take the franchise.

Exactly. Its a different beast all together. I've never thought of James Bond as just Connery. Its a character that I think was built to be played by multiple folks. Indy is Ford and I don't think you can have someone else play it without trying to be Ford.

 

[Dr.FeelGood]

If they were to pull a fast one and re-cast Indy (and i dont put it past Lucas...Spielburg is a different kettle of fish tho) it would either completely destroy the movie(s) for people...or, with the right casting allow for more adventures..

Personally, i'd rather they stopped slowly peeing on, and then setting fire to my childhood...but if they HAVE to recast...Joe Flanigan anyone?

 

[Entropy]

Exactly. Its a different beast all together. I've never thought of James Bond as just Connery. Its a character that I think was built to be played by multiple folks. Indy is Ford and I don't think you can have someone else play it without trying to be Ford.

If you'd been a James Bond fan when they recast in 69 you might have felt differently. Growing up with different people already playing the same character is going to skew your perception.

I do think your comparison between KotCS and Terminator Salvation is a good one. I'm sure each has it's share of franchise devotees that enjoy them for what they are, but overall audience reaction is one of disappointment and dislike.