Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jal76]

Tragic that now the best scene in the entire Rise of Skywalker was a fan made addition that was not even in the movie...fan made no less...time for Lucasfilm to call it a day...maybe wait 10 years get a new President and some new talent in...who knows...?

 

[abake]

Actually, I think the best scene in TROS is the entire fight sequence between Rey and Kylo on the wreck of the Death star and Kylo's conversation with Solo.

 

[punisher1974]

Actually, I think the best scene in TROS is the entire fight sequence between Rey and Kylo on the wreck of the Death star and Kylo's conversation with Solo.

Those were a couple of good scenes. Most of the movie to me is a disappointment but those scenes were well done.

 

[jal76]

Actually, I think the best scene in TROS is the entire fight sequence between Rey and Kylo on the wreck of the Death star and Kylo's conversation with Solo.

Both scenes were good in a vacuum...but for me the underlying nonsense that supported the scenes just made them bad. The cringe inducing lovers / enemies thing with Rey and Kylo Ren has to be the worst garbage in any Star Wars film as far as I am concerned...this ?fight sequence? appeared to be the film?s version of Fifty Shades of Grey designed to appeal to Lucasfilm?s new target audience...seeing Han return almost got me and then I was just reminded that one of my favorite cinematic heroes had been reduced to a down on his luck space hobo whose reward for all of his heroism in the original trilogy was being stabbed to death by his own son with absolutely nothing to show for it...nothing...

 

[JAWS]

Actually, I think the best scene in TROS is the entire fight sequence between Rey and Kylo on the wreck of the Death star and Kylo's conversation with Solo.

100% agree. Some of my fav stuff in the entire Saga.

Ben and Han's moment is the best emotional moment in the entire saga.

Those who don't agree are as souless as the acting in the PT

 

[JAWS]

Both scenes were good in a vacuum...but for me the underlying nonsense that supported the scenes just made them bad. The cringe inducing lovers / enemies thing with Rey and Kylo Ren has to be the worst garbage in any Star Wars film as far as I am concerned...this ?fight sequence? appeared to be the film?s version of Fifty Shades of Grey designed to appeal to Lucasfilm?s new target audience...seeing Han return almost got me and then I was just reminded that one of my favorite cinematic heroes had been reduced to a down on his luck space hobo whose reward for all of his heroism in the original trilogy was being stabbed to death by his own son with absolutely nothing to show for it...nothing...

Except that it was the act that started Kylo down the path of redemption as the act had taken a tole on him. So much so that a novice beat him in a Duel. He could not deal with the guilt. It haunted him.. At the same time it was the one thing he thought that was so unforgivable that he could not return if he wanted to.

In the end Han and his mother brought him back from darkness. Even if it was just he memory it was still his that memory of his father that helped Ben take that final step.

As a father I would gladly Die to save my son.. Even if it was something I would never get to see.

So I don't agree at all about having nothing to show for it.



I know the ST is not everyones cup of tea.. I get it I really do. But the Kylo story was the one consistent thing throughout the entire ST that really is done right. I find his struggles towards redemption to be better then the fall of Anakin and actually handled better then the redemption of Anakin.. That's a hot take I know and I will get some major wrath from others on the board but what can I say I love how Kylo was handled. I wish the entire ST was as good as his storyline.

Now dont get me wrong.. I love Vader's redemption (before Lucas ****ed it up by putting Noooo over the Williams Force theme) but I have never been a fan of how Vader acted in the rest of the film. I mean why is telling luke that he is his dad the thing that cut his balls off? I could see that if it was Vader that just found out that he had a son.. But he always had that info.. So I don't care for how James Earl Jones voices him (compared to the other two) and how he is always "struggling" throughout the film.

I guess its more acceptable if i look at it from how Lucas retconned the OT to fit in with the PT (Vader only finds out about Luke after ANH). But that is not the version I grew up with so i still struggle with it.

 

[jal76]

Except that it was the act that started Kylo down the path of redemption as the act had taken a tole on him. So much so that a novice beat him in a Duel. He could not deal with the guilt. It haunted him.. At the same time it was the one thing he thought that was so unforgivable that he could not return if he wanted to.

In the end Han and his mother brought him back from darkness. Even if it was just he memory it was still his that memory of his father that helped Ben take that final step.

As a father I would gladly Die to save my son.. Even if it was something I would never get to see.

So I don't agree at all about having nothing to show for it.



I know the ST is not everyones cup of tea.. I get it I really do. But the Kylo story was the one consistent thing throughout the entire ST that really is done right.

Yep...I can?t get there myself. Kylo Ren for me went from being the most promising new character from TFA to de-evolving into another version of the vampire that new Batman plays in the Twilight movies. Or maybe even another version of Draco Malloy from Harry Potter...far cry from a great and deep character.
The character that stops the blaster blast right after cutting down Max Von Sydow in cold blood becoming the trilogies romantic lead was really not what I signed on for...call me old fashioned but frankly I prefer my Star Wars without romantic leads...

As for Han?s ?sacrifice? well I agree that as a Father I would die three times over for all 3 of my sons but sadly that is not quite what happened here. It?s established the Kylo was already conflicted before killing Han not after as a result of killing him.
Han essentially gets murdered as the tragic consequence of having been an absentee Father.

Kylo did plenty of evil after this including trying to impale his uncle just as he had done with his Father and then trying to murder his Mother too. Han?s death taught him nothing and if anything cemented his commitment to evil.

As for Kylo?s turn to the light...the screenwriters made it clear that Leia used the force to (laughably) ?push Kylo?s mind to the light side.? That is why the effort killed her. Takes a lot of force power to actually turn someone from evil to good. More foolishness that makes the movie bad too. He was only able to have the vision of Han because he had now gone to the light side...versus the vision making him turn to the light.

So once again since he was good before the vision and not after...Han?s death served no actual purpose other than to solidify the character?s new Disney approved legacy of failure.

 

[pixletwin]

The video below is a fan edit of the final confrontation in TROS. I gotta believe that something like this had to be discussed during production. So, I'll let everyone decide for themselves why they went in a more Rey-focused direction instead.

I'm not even sure they needed Obi-Wan and Yoda as shown here; just Anakin and Luke would've been enough (IMO) to link the Skywalkers directly to the end of the Sith (and the saga). Bringing it all home, and tying things together. No matter what, I'm blown away by the work and craftsmanship that went into this edit. That's some serious dedication!

I heard that this was the original concept but in order to enter the Chinese market they had to downplay the force ghosts in the story.

Not sure if this is true. I just heard it. Narf!

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Yep...I can?t get there myself. Kylo Ren for me went from being the most promising new character from TFA to de-evolving into another version of the vampire that new Batman plays in the Twilight movies. Or maybe even another version of Draco Malloy from Harry Potter...far cry from a great and deep character.
The character that stops the blaster blast right after cutting down Max Von Sydow in cold blood becoming the trilogies romantic lead was really not what I signed on for...call me old fashioned but frankly I prefer my Star Wars without romantic leads...

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[aussiebottt]

100% agree. Some of my fav stuff in the entire Saga.

Ben and Han's moment is the best emotional moment in the entire saga.

Those who don't agree are as souless as the acting in the PT

Really, best in the entire saga? IMO it came off as overly sentimental and sappy. I mean come on, " I love you son"? Since when would Han Solo say that? That's just not his way. Like Luke said "Han was Han about it". We all know what Han is like.

Oh and it wasn't even original, they basically just copied the idea from BvS.

 

[Mandible]

I never liked the idea of Force Ghosts helping in the fight.. But i could not imagine it. If they did it like the edit above that would have been EPIC... I would have gone nuts.

Of course all the haters would have complained it was just fan service

Seriously thought that is one of the best fan edits I have ever seen.

Well Jaws, I'm a massive hater of 8, and feel sorry for 9, as it had nowhere to go (7 had potential, but 8 derailed everything), but that fan edit would have been great... so not all haters would have complained - there's far worse things to complain about...

At the end of the day, the bulk of the world has already forgotten about the ST, so it makes little difference.

 

[The Buffinator]

I never liked the idea of Force Ghosts helping in the fight.. But i could not imagine it. If they did it like the edit above that would have been EPIC... I would have gone nuts.

Of course all the haters would have complained it was just fan service



Seriously thought that is one of the best fan edits I have ever seen.

Hands down best SW fan anything I have ever seen.....

However.....

They introduced the Jedi too early!

They should have materialized AFTER she said I am all the Jedi.

The way they did it you can see all of them behind her already which ruins the big surprise of them appearing after her important line.

Palpatine should have said:

No kidding I can see them all behind you lol

Still though pretty freaking epic.


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Yep the last few seconds were awesome but I agree that the Jedi showed up way too early. After "I am all the Jedi" would have been the way to go. Otherwise I would have been fine with that last bit being a part of the theatrical release.

The other part that should be fixed is the use of HC for a force ghost instead of a CGI Sebastian Shaw. Everyone else looks the age they were when they became force ghosts, but Anakin gets to look young and in his prime? As if Obi-Wan would have agreed to that. Either everybody gets to look their best or no one does! Plus using SS would have corrected one of GL's unnecessary changes to the OT.

 

[jye4ever]

The other part that should be fixed is the use of HC for a force ghost instead of a CGI Sebastian Shaw. Everyone else looks the age they were when they became force ghosts, but Anakin gets to look young and in his prime? As if Obi-Wan would have agreed to that. Either everybody gets to look their best or no one does! Plus using SS would have corrected one of GL's unnecessary changes to the OT.

Anakin looked scarier than the emperor lol


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[a-dev]

Anakin looked scarier than the emperor lol


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He was doing his rape-face - scary to us - but it successfully wooed Padme in AOTC and wasn't at all sinister to Luke at the end of ROTJ DVD edition.

 

[JAWS]

Yep...I can?t get there myself. Kylo Ren for me went from being the most promising new character from TFA to de-evolving into another version of the vampire that new Batman plays in the Twilight movies. Or maybe even another version of Draco Malloy from Harry Potter...far cry from a great and deep character.
The character that stops the blaster blast right after cutting down Max Von Sydow in cold blood becoming the trilogies romantic lead was really not what I signed on for...call me old fashioned but frankly I prefer my Star Wars without romantic leads...

Other then that stupid kiss at the end.. I saw nothing Romantic in the film.. Sure he wanted someone to lead by his side... But that was the feeling for most of the trilogy.

As for Han?s ?sacrifice? well I agree that as a Father I would die three times over for all 3 of my sons but sadly that is not quite what happened here. It?s established the Kylo was already conflicted before killing Han not after as a result of killing him.
Han essentially gets murdered as the tragic consequence of having been an absentee Father.

He was conflicted and he thought it would be the final step... Instead he just added a massive amount of guilt for killing someone he loved.

Didnt Han disappear after the emotional crises of Kylo going dark? Does that count as a absentee father? If so why does everyone give Leia a pass? Stupid sexist SW fans

Kylo did plenty of evil after this including trying to impale his uncle just as he had done with his Father and then trying to murder his Mother too. Han?s death taught him nothing and if anything cemented his commitment to evil.

Well yes he did plenty of evil... Would have sucked if he was just an emotional heap after that.

He had a chance to murder his mom but passed.

Han's death created the greatest conflict in him. Confronting Han was the first of the conflict that we saw in TFA. It brought it to the surface.. He thought he could erase that conflict by killing his father.. All he did was create never ending conflict.

As for Kylo?s turn to the light...the screenwriters made it clear that Leia used the force to (laughably) ?push Kylo?s mind to the light side.? That is why the effort killed her. Takes a lot of force power to actually turn someone from evil to good. More foolishness that makes the movie bad too. He was only able to have the vision of Han because he had now gone to the light side...versus the vision making him turn to the light.

Leia used the force to reach out to Ben.. He felt her presence and love and that was the first step to final redemption. I never took it as an actual Force power to turn him to good. If that is what the screenwriter wanted it did not translate that way. In fact he was still conflicted until his memory of his father. The thing man and the act that caused his conflict. He was still contemplating what to do.

So once again since he was good before the vision and not after...Han?s death served no actual purpose other than to solidify the character?s new Disney approved legacy of failure.

I just dont see his full turn until after that vision.. Its what that scene symbolized and the throwing of the saber. He replays the moment in his head and chooses light instead of dark.. Its all right there.

 

[JAWS]

Really, best in the entire saga?

Emotionally.. Yes.

IMO it came off as overly sentimental and sappy.

Agree to disagree

I mean come on, " I love you son"? Since when would Han Solo say that?

Well you are in luck.. He didnt say that.

That's just not his way. Like Luke said "Han was Han about it". We all know what Han is like.

You need to go back and watch the OT

Oh and it wasn't even original, they basically just copied the idea from BvS.

Han's real name was Martha?

 

[ironwez20]

Anakin looked scarier than the emperor lol


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See why you gotta always bring out the PT. This is why I always get on y?all. Lol.

 

[The Buffinator]

Anakin looked scarier than the emperor lol


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See why you gotta always bring out the PT. This is why I always get on y?all. Lol.

But he didn't look scarier than the PT emperor, so there's that.

 

[jye4ever]

He was doing his rape-face - scary to us - but it successfully wooed Padme in AOTC and wasn't at all sinister to Luke at the end of ROTJ DVD edition.

See why you gotta always bring out the PT. This is why I always get on y?all. Lol.

My name is...

P R E Q U E L T R I L O G Y

H A M I L T O N


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[jal76]

Other then that stupid kiss at the end.. I saw nothing Romantic in the film..

He had a chance to murder his mom but passed.


Leia used the force to reach out to Ben.. He felt her presence and love and that was the first step to final redemption. I never took it as an actual Force power to turn him to good. If that is what the screenwriter wanted it did not translate that way. In fact he was still conflicted until his memory of his father. The thing man and the act that caused his conflict. He was still contemplating what to do.

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So other than the romantic scene you saw nothing romantic in the film?

Kylo spent the entire final act of TLJ trying to kill his mother on Crait. Luke?s force projected intervention was a diversion to simply save Leia from being murdered by her son.

You are right, however, Leia?s force push to the light side did not translate in the film...and that is because the film is both poorly written and poorly directed.
It?s okay to like or even love it...I would never want to take that away from anyone or try to make someone feel like they are flawed in some way for enjoying it. We like what we like. I like my fair share of garbage too...but I think it?s probably fair for us all to acknowledge that it is garbage right? Garbage that some of us love...but garbage none-the-less.
I have no doubt that everyone involved in the film would agree too if pressed and freed from the threat of harming their careers.

I used to be the biggest sequel trilogy apologist but realized as the credits rolled on opening night of TROS that I had been lying to myself on every step of that 4 year journey and that the entire enterprise was just a poorly conceived and poorly executed train wreck.

There was no plan, no guiding vision...Abrams was locked in a people pleasing tail spin that creatively castrated him and Johnson, while a capable filmmaker, had a fundamental lack of understanding of Star Wars.
All of this is the recipe for failure not success which is why the ST was a total and epic failure. Sorry.