Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Bravomite]

Where's the like button???

OK, so I never saw the movie, just bits and pieces when it was a cam rip bootleg. The little I saw suuuuuuuucked.

Did that scene really happen, just without the ghosts? Did Mega Uber Rey really ****ing MELT the Emperor with her grrrrl power like that? Jesus, what a **** show.

Also, does anyone still think Disney is actually gonna "erase" the sequels from canon? (Like how I spelled canon correctly and not "cannon?" That irks me.)

If you really think that, you know you're getting all excited about fan fiction that a dweeb in stupid mask came up with. There's no shred of evidence that Disney would do something that galatically stupid despite how hated the movies are.

But Disney does do a lot of dumb stuff. If grrrrrl power melting the corpse of the Emperor was supposed to be some kind of "empowering" exciting moment other than the pure unfiltered cringe it was, that's humiliating.

I think you have to remember that sometimes people are genuinely talking about a cannon with Star Wars logos on it ... I know I am.

I don't know, the toys didn't sell, it didn't pull in the new audience in the numbers that they hoped it would and the sequel trilogy doesn't appear to have the same love as even the prequel trilogy (which is awesome by the way and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, very wrong, super wrong, sequel trilogy wrong). I could see them just ignoring it going forward and playing largely in the time between Jedi and TFA. Maybe if things are going well and the KK is gone they might use the 'veil of the force' thing that angry youtubers (led by Khev in a mask) have been talking about to effectively de-canonize it from the current Star Wars trajectory so they could re-do the TFA era in cartoons, live action etc. But I feel this would be done on the sly using a cartoon so only the hardcore fanbase would know and the normies would be none the wiser.

 

[ironwez20]

I just know one thing. Whatever happens in the end the good khev or the masked khev will be pleased

 

[ajp4mgs]

Did that scene really happen, just without the ghosts?

Yep. The ghosts were the only fan-edited part; the rest was in the actual movie.

Did Mega Uber Rey really ****ing MELT the Emperor with her grrrrl power like that?

Well, to be fair, what she actually did was allow the Emperor to melt *himself.* Which is particularly interesting as a way to deal with her considering that he had just finished dealing with Kylo/Ben by simply using the Force to throw him off a cliff in supereasy fashion. With his granddaughter (yep, that part is really in the movie too), he went with lightning. Oooh, big mistake.

You see, one single lightsaber is able to block the very same lightning that was powerful enough to selectively reach and disable ships for miles in the sky just seconds prior. But TWO lightsabers can reflect that very same mega-lightning back at Palpatine. Rey somehow knew that! She's really smart.

And then when the lightning starts to damage him more and more, he doesn't turn it off or aim it at a different point. He just keeps it (the same lightning that can go in multiple directions through miles of sky while pinpointing Rebel ships) aimed and concentrated in the same exact spot. Because Palpatine is stubborn . . . or something.

Jesus, what a **** show.

There were no scatological references in TROS. You are incorrect.

Also, does anyone still think Disney is actually gonna "erase" the sequels from canon? (Like how I spelled canon correctly and not "cannon?" That irks me.)

Some people do indeed believe that. And some of them post here. They believe it because they want to "win." The rest of us don't give a **** because we've been accustomed to ignoring disappointing SW movies since a character being farted on by my avatar became official cannon (sorry, but if you admit the misspelling irks you, that's like an open invitation ).

 

[jye4ever]

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[Bravomite]

Yep. The ghosts were the only fan-edited part; the rest was in the actual movie.



Well, to be fair, what she actually did was allow the Emperor to melt *himself.* Which is particularly interesting as a way to deal with her considering that he had just finished dealing with Kylo/Ben by simply using the Force to throw him off a cliff in supereasy fashion. With his granddaughter (yep, that part is really in the movie too), he went with lightning. Oooh, big mistake.

You see, one single lightsaber is able to block the very same lightning that was powerful enough to selectively reach and disable ships for miles in the sky just seconds prior. But TWO lightsabers can reflect that very same mega-lightning back at Palpatine. Rey somehow knew that! She's really smart.

And then when the lightning starts to damage him more and more, he doesn't turn it off or aim it at a different point. He just keeps it (the same lightning that can go in multiple directions through miles of sky while pinpointing Rebel ships) aimed and concentrated in the same exact spot. Because Palpatine is stubborn . . . or something.



There were no scatological references in TROS. You are incorrect.



Some people do indeed believe that. And some of them post here. They believe it because they want to "win." The rest of us don't give a **** because we've been accustomed to ignoring disappointing SW movies since a character being farted on by my avatar became official cannon (sorry, but if you admit the misspelling irks you, that's like an open invitation ).

I bet Luke really wished he hadn't thrown away his lightsaber in Jedi. He could have just deflected that force lightning and stop himself getting all crispy and it isn't an 'angry' move so still lightside. Get a second lightsaber and then he could have melted old Sheev and stopped the whole ST from happening and his dad didn't have to die. Silly Luke.

Also if the lightning messed up Vader's electronics in his suit did it also disable Luke's hand?

 

[ironwez20]

But I pointed out the flaws in my original post he is referring to. So I think jye is not blind to them.

Yes he is. If it doesn?t have OT aspects he will hate it lol he said so

 

[jye4ever]

Oh hell yeah remove Luke, Han and Leia and the ST can go to hell lol


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[abake]

Well, to be fair, Palpatine melted himself into his Emperor visage thanks to Windu deflecting his lightning back on him... so, it's not that unusual.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I bet Luke really wished he hadn't thrown away his lightsaber in Jedi. He could have just deflected that force lightning and stop himself getting all crispy and it isn't an 'angry' move so still lightside.

Well, all Luke did was throw his saber on the ground. So he still could've easily just Force-pulled it into his hand. Dumb Luke probably thought that using a single lightsaber blade to block lightning (which hits with multiple beams in several scattered spots) would be impossible . . . and therefore a ridiculous idea to have in the first place.

It's hilarious that JJ deliberately chose to create virtually the exact same scenario that Luke faced in ROTJ, but give Rey the wherewithal to pull a saber that was just laying there on the floor. To use the saber(s) to do something that she somehow just "sensed" would work. JJ might as well have just given himself a cameo and a line telling the audience that Rey is better than Luke.

Get a second lightsaber and then he could have melted old Sheev and stopped the whole ST from happening and his dad didn't have to die. Silly Luke.

Even if Vader's saber hadn't fallen into the pit, dumb Luke probably would've assumed that crossing two sabers wouldn't have done jack****. Silly Luke indeed. He's no Rey.

Also if the lightning messed up Vader's electronics in his suit did it also disable Luke's hand?

That would suck. Imagine if thereafter it caused his hand to occasionally have erratic function during specific positions and movements. Erratic grip strength could have catastrophic ramifications during the lonely nights in his Jedi Temple hut. Yikes!

Oh hell yeah remove Luke, Han and Leia and the ST can go to hell lol


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I totally get where you're coming from. Hell, if TROS had more Luke I'd probably forgive almost all the insane stuff in it and just accept the whole thing.

Well, to be fair, Palpatine melted himself into his Emperor visage thanks to Windu deflecting his lightning back on him... so, it's not that unusual.

Huh? What happened with Mace was done in order to sell his "help me" appeal to Anakin. Then he immediately stopped his lightning, and restarted it, showing his full control. Far different than letting himself get exploded to death, right?

If you (or anyone) thinks those are equivalent instances, your're certainly entitled to see it that way; and we're just on completely different wavelengths. And that's fine.

I also don't think very highly of the Force lightning scene with Mace (see my first reply to Bravomite above for part of the reason why), but it's just nowhere near as objectionable since I can safely assume that Palps wouldn't have continued the lightning until he y'know . . . exploded.

 

[Bravomite]

Well, all Luke did was throw his saber on the ground. So he still could've easily just Force-pulled it into his hand. Dumb Luke probably thought that using a single lightsaber blade to block lightning (which hits with multiple beams in several scattered spots) would be impossible . . . and therefore a ridiculous idea to have in the first place.

It's hilarious that JJ deliberately chose to create virtually the exact same scenario that Luke faced in ROTJ, but give Rey the wherewithal to pull a saber that was just laying there on the floor. To use the saber(s) to do something that she somehow just "sensed" would work. JJ might as well have just given himself a cameo and a line telling the audience that Rey is better than Luke.



Even if Vader's saber hadn't fallen into the pit, dumb Luke probably would've assumed that crossing two sabers wouldn't have done jack****. Silly Luke indeed. He's no Rey.



That would suck. Imagine if thereafter it caused his hand to occasionally have erratic function during specific positions and movements. Erratic grip strength could have catastrophic ramifications during the lonely nights in his Jedi Temple hut. Yikes!



I totally get where you're coming from. Hell, if TROS had more Luke I'd probably forgive almost all the insane stuff in it and just accept the whole thing.



Huh? What happened with Mace was done in order to sell his "help me" appeal to Anakin. Then he immediately stopped his lightning, and restarted it, showing his full control. Far different than letting himself get exploded to death, right?

If you (or anyone) thinks those are equivalent instances, your're certainly entitled to see it that way; and we're just on completely different wavelengths. And that's fine.

I also don't think very highly of the Force lightning scene with Mace (see my first reply to Bravomite above for part of the reason why), but it's just nowhere near as objectionable since I can safely assume that Palps wouldn't have continued the lightning until he y'know . . . exploded.

I always liked the slight ambiguity with the Mace scene, did Palpatine already look like that (the dark side of the force isa murder for tha skin) and just drop his visage at the perfect opportunity to make Anakin (and then the republic) believe that he had been disfigured by the Mace (the Jedi) or did he really allow Mace to disfigure him. i like to think it was the first version and that Palpatine's force lighting wouldn't really damage him like that but ya know TROS. Either way he is a cunning old Sheev.

 

[jal76]

Well, all Luke did was throw his saber on the ground. So he still could've easily just Force-pulled it into his hand. Dumb Luke probably thought that using a single lightsaber blade to block lightning (which hits with multiple beams in several scattered spots) would be impossible . . . and therefore a ridiculous idea to have in the first place.

It's hilarious that JJ deliberately chose to create virtually the exact same scenario that Luke faced in ROTJ, but give Rey the wherewithal to pull a saber that was just laying there on the floor. To use the saber(s) to do something that she somehow just "sensed" would work. JJ might as well have just given himself a cameo and a line telling the audience that Rey is better than Luke.



Even if Vader's saber hadn't fallen into the pit, dumb Luke probably would've assumed that crossing two sabers wouldn't have done jack****. Silly Luke indeed. He's no Rey.



That would suck. Imagine if thereafter it caused his hand to occasionally have erratic function during specific positions and movements. Erratic grip strength could have catastrophic ramifications during the lonely nights in his Jedi Temple hut. Yikes!



I totally get where you're coming from. Hell, if TROS had more Luke I'd probably forgive almost all the insane stuff in it and just accept the whole thing.



Huh? What happened with Mace was done in order to sell his "help me" appeal to Anakin. Then he immediately stopped his lightning, and restarted it, showing his full control. Far different than letting himself get exploded to death, right?

If you (or anyone) thinks those are equivalent instances, your're certainly entitled to see it that way; and we're just on completely different wavelengths. And that's fine.

I also don't think very highly of the Force lightning scene with Mace (see my first reply to Bravomite above for part of the reason why), but it's just nowhere near as objectionable since I can safely assume that Palps wouldn't have continued the lightning until he y'know . . . exploded.

This all reminds me of how in the latest canon Star Wars books that Lucasfilm is releasing they describe Jyn Erso as being the person who destroyed the Death Star.

They even have a scene where 2 members of the Rebel Alliance are discussing it and go so far as to say...Luke Skywalker may be the one who made that lucky shot but it was JYN who really destroyed it by finding the plans. Yikes.
I am all for Disney working to promote and build up their new characters but can?t they find a way to do it without trashing the characters that are responsible for anyone caring about Star Wars in the first place?

 

[abake]

Well, all Luke did was throw his saber on the ground. So he still could've easily just Force-pulled it into his hand. Dumb Luke probably thought that using a single lightsaber blade to block lightning (which hits with multiple beams in several scattered spots) would be impossible . . . and therefore a ridiculous idea to have in the first place.

It's hilarious that JJ deliberately chose to create virtually the exact same scenario that Luke faced in ROTJ, but give Rey the wherewithal to pull a saber that was just laying there on the floor. To use the saber(s) to do something that she somehow just "sensed" would work. JJ might as well have just given himself a cameo and a line telling the audience that Rey is better than Luke.



Even if Vader's saber hadn't fallen into the pit, dumb Luke probably would've assumed that crossing two sabers wouldn't have done jack****. Silly Luke indeed. He's no Rey.



That would suck. Imagine if thereafter it caused his hand to occasionally have erratic function during specific positions and movements. Erratic grip strength could have catastrophic ramifications during the lonely nights in his Jedi Temple hut. Yikes!



I totally get where you're coming from. Hell, if TROS had more Luke I'd probably forgive almost all the insane stuff in it and just accept the whole thing.



Huh? What happened with Mace was done in order to sell his "help me" appeal to Anakin. Then he immediately stopped his lightning, and restarted it, showing his full control. Far different than letting himself get exploded to death, right?

If you (or anyone) thinks those are equivalent instances, your're certainly entitled to see it that way; and we're just on completely different wavelengths. And that's fine.

I also don't think very highly of the Force lightning scene with Mace (see my first reply to Bravomite above for part of the reason why), but it's just nowhere near as objectionable since I can safely assume that Palps wouldn't have continued the lightning until he y'know . . . exploded.

Well, that's really just interpretation, IMHO.
There's just that little side look to Anakin which can be interpreted simply as Palpatine seeing a way out of the mess he got himself into, as well as seeing that he's won Anakin over.
Of course he stopped his lightning, as he was getting fried, and once Anakin dutifully incapacitates Windu, of course he's going to blast him again...
The scene is ambiguous at best regarding Palpatine's actions.
Look, I'm not defending stupid points in TROS, I'm just saying there's a precedent for Palpatine's Force Lightning plans going awry.

 

[JAWS]

1. The Emperor stops using his lightning in Tros.... at some point he lays down his hands and the lightning keeps coming and he melts away.

2. All of the Jedi were with her. So it wasnt all Rey

3. Mace and Obi wan both deflected force lightning... How did Obi wan know how? Do they have Sith lightning training.

4. All Jedi seem dumb..Luke threw away his only defense against the emperor... Anakin does not realize he has been suckered when emperor tells him he can save Padme... Then tells him... No I don?t know but together we can figure it out... Anakin should have been like ?What the $&@!?

 

[JAWS]

This all reminds me of how in the latest canon Star Wars books that Lucasfilm is releasing they describe Jyn Erso as being the person who destroyed the Death Star.

They even have a scene where 2 members of the Rebel Alliance are discussing it and go so far as to say...Luke Skywalker may be the one who made that lucky shot but it was JYN who really destroyed it by finding the plans. Yikes.
I am all for Disney working to promote and build up their new characters but can?t they find a way to do it without trashing the characters that are responsible for anyone caring about Star Wars in the first place?

I don?t think that is in the books... just a dumb statement by an idiot author in an interview

 

[JAWS]

I always hated that it was force lightning that gave the emperor his face. I always thought his features were corrupted by the dark side.

Plus he goes on to act like it was no big deal.. seems like there should be some kind of lingering pain.

 

[ajp4mgs]

1. The Emperor stops using his lightning in Tros.... at some point he lays down his hands and the lightning keeps coming and he melts away.

2. All of the Jedi were with her. So it wasnt all Rey

3. Mace and Obi wan both deflected force lightning... How did Obi wan know how? Do they have Sith lightning training.

4. All Jedi seem dumb..Luke threw away his only defense against the emperor... Anakin does not realize he has been suckered when emperor tells him he can save Padme... Then tells him... No I don?t know but together we can figure it out... Anakin should have been like ?What the $&@!?

1.) He only puts his hands down when he's already breaking apart and screaming. And you're forgetting that he targeted Resistance ships with that lightning miles across the sky! With that kind of control, he could've sent the beams all the way around the room and struck Rey from every conceivable angle.

2.) So, you're saying that the Jedi were conducting the lightning onto Palpatine? Then they didn't need Palps using it himself since Rey has Force lightning powers too. And if the Jedi were helping, why in the world would they need the second lightsaber before they could start reflecting the beams back?

3.) It's one thing to put up your saber (that you're already holding) in an act of self defense, but it's another thing to pull a second saber because you somehow know that crossing a couple of them is what will redirect lightning. Rey putting up the lightsaber she was already holding was consistent with the PT scenes. But Rey pulling a lightsaber for more than self-defense was a case of much greater instinctive awareness.

4.) Luke threw away his saber because he refused to play Palpatine's game and use his weapon in anger. You think he was stupid for not magically knowing that Palpatine was going to use lightning from his fingers? As for Anakin . . . yeah, Anakin was dumb.

I always hated that it was force lightning that gave the emperor his face. I always thought his features were corrupted by the dark side.

Plus he goes on to act like it was no big deal.. seems like there should be some kind of lingering pain.

I think the fact that Palps showed no signs of pain is what can allow a fan to believe that he may have been using lightning with full control just to convince Anakin to help. Seeing him give his "UNLIMITED POWER" line, and then pop back up as if he was perfectly fine all makes it seem that he was in control, and not actually putting himself in danger of being killed.

Like Bravomite stated, there's enough ambiguity to allow viewers to interpret that scene a number of different ways. I have my fair share of problems with the entire Mace sequence, but Palpatine comes across as in control and scheming rather than stupidly allowing himself to be destroyed.

And another bit of evidence to support the idea that Palps was controlling the lightning with Mace is that Kenobi blocking Dooku's lightning with his saber didn't reflect it back, but merely absorbed and dissipated it. So, either Mace was doing something different and Palps was allowing it to happen, or Palps was doing all of it for show.

 

[Khev]

After thinking about that fan made clip with all the Jedi appearing to help destroy Palpatine I no longer like the idea and am glad it didn't play out that way in the movie. The people that such a scene seems to cater to are those who simply don't like Rey and would rather she be minimized in the finale of her own trilogy. And if you don't like the main character of an entire trilogy then just having some spirits of characters you do like appear at the last second isn't gonna fix anything for you anyway.

Imagine applying that same logic to the OT. Palpatine is frying Luke, Luke is pleading for his father's help, Vader obliges and picks up the Emperor but then as he's carrying him toward the railing you see the spirits of Yoda and Ben appear to walk alongside Vader helping him carry Palps to the edge and then all three of them shove him over the side, lol.

No, the only way stuff like that works is if it's a quick assist that doesn't do *everything* for the main hero. Like Valeria briefly appearing next to Conan to deflect a single attack so that he can regather himself and finish the job *by himself.* Which is basically what the Jedi did by helping her stand when she called to them and helping to amplify the reflected lightning back at Palps. George himself actually did consider having Yoda and/or Ben appear visually to help Luke face the Emperor in ROTJ and wisely decided against it for assumedly the same reason as JJ.

 

[Khev]

What up ajp.

Well, all Luke did was throw his saber on the ground. So he still could've easily just Force-pulled it into his hand. Dumb Luke probably thought that using a single lightsaber blade to block lightning (which hits with multiple beams in several scattered spots) would be impossible . . . and therefore a ridiculous idea to have in the first place.

It's hilarious that JJ deliberately chose to create virtually the exact same scenario that Luke faced in ROTJ, but give Rey the wherewithal to pull a saber that was just laying there on the floor. To use the saber(s) to do something that she somehow just "sensed" would work. JJ might as well have just given himself a cameo and a line telling the audience that Rey is better than Luke.

How was what Rey did "better?" Luke was so uncompromising in his quest to stay pure in order to redeem his father that he didn't risk an all out assault on Palpatine. Rey had no such purity, even to the point of temporarily *agreeing to serve as Empress* so of course when the opportunity presented itself to utterly obliterate him she took it.

I do believe that Ben and Yoda had a similar expectation for Luke in ROTJ (otherwise them somehow expecting that he'd go off on Vader, only to come to his senses and throw away his saber so that Anakin would save him is just too much of a stretch for me) but he surprised even them by refusing to fight which resulted in a better outcome than either had anticipated.

 

[Khev]

The PT didn?t divide us because at the time it was pretty unanimous that it was goofy and bad. .

Lol so true.

"The ST divided the fanbase! 50% of fans hated it!"

Which instantly means that the ST was loved by 50% more fans than the PT.

 

[ajp4mgs]

What up ajp.

Hey! Your post count in this thread has been way too sparse lately. It ain't as much fun catching up on it without your takes being more frequent. Do I have to keep bashing TROS more to keep you posting?

How was what Rey did "better?" Luke was so uncompromising in his quest to stay pure in order to redeem his father that he didn't risk an all out assault on Palpatine. Rey had no such purity, even to the point of temporarily *agreeing to serve as Empress* so of course when the opportunity presented itself to utterly obliterate him she took it.

I think Rey was shown to be "better" because she and Luke had both been Jedi for about 2-3 years when they each encountered Palpatine in a throne room scene, but it was Rey who was quicker on her feet and more aware of her options with the Force. She did things that make it look like Luke wasn't aware of how to use Jedi skills as proficiently.

If Luke had Rey's awareness, he could've Force-pulled his saber and used it to defend himself. Instead, he writhed around on the floor begging for help. Now, if he did that only to appeal to his father's compassion, then no problem. But I don't think either one of us believes that.

What Rey did was use her knowledge of the Force to understand what lightsabers could do when Palps was using lightning. She used that knowledge to subdue and defeat him with self-defense tactics and no attack. An A+ grade from the school of Jedi. Luke got bailed out by Vader instead of using his Jedi skills. That's why I say JJ made Rey come across like she was better than Luke. Similar scenarios, but greater proficiency.

I do believe that Ben and Yoda had a similar expectation for Luke in ROTJ (otherwise them somehow expecting that he'd go off on Vader, only to come to his senses and throw away his saber so that Anakin would save him is just too much of a stretch for me) but he surprised even them by refusing to fight which resulted in a better outcome than either had anticipated.

Not sure what you're suggesting that Yoda and Obi-Wan expected from Luke. If you're saying that they expected something other than Anakin returning to the light to help his son, then I'm inclined to disagree.

Yoda taught that Jedi *never* use the Force for attack. That makes it hard for me to believe that he sent Luke to confront Vader knowing that "confront" would mean attack. I prefer to interpret things as Yoda and Obi-Wan sorta foreseeing that Anakin would return to the light, and either Luke or Leia would be the catalyst. Not to kill him, but to appeal to his paternal/family heart.

I know that's just my own subjective take on it, but it's what lines up best logically when I consider context from all three OT movies, and even the PT Anakin story.