Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

That last sentence lol

I just can't stand when a filmmaker tries to make a scene flashy by having an elaborate dynamic shot for no reason. The 90's was the worst offender of that technique -- all those MTV directors showing off, even Fincher was guilty of it in Aliens 3 before he really grew into a brilliant filmmaker. Style over substance abounded in the 90's.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

They do...usually online but you can still subscribe or go into your local bookstore for a physical copy.
Yep...2 types of people out there. The ones who appreciate great filmmakers and great filmmaking and the others who think that Captain America and Aquaman movies are cinematic art and don?t know that magazines are still published.

Sir, I'll have you know that I believe that Aquaman is utter tripe.

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[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I just can't stand when a filmmaker tries to make a scene flashy by having an elaborate dynamic shot for no reason. The 90's was the worst offender of that technique -- all those MTV directors showing off, even Fincher was guilty of it in Aliens 3 before he really grew into a brilliant filmmaker. Style over substance abounded in the 90's.

Lol your last 2 posts especially the critical components describe michael bay movies too a T. Its one reason why he is a terrible director, all style over substance. He is constantly moving the camera. The only Reason the rock and 13 hours are his best movies is due the fact they are both intense fast paced edge of your seat thrillers so they actually benefit from the dynamic shots

 

[Khev]

I always love when Michael Bay has the camera panning around someone standing all dramatically with perfect gold/orange dusk light (no matter the time of day, lol.)

 

[The Buffinator]

I always love when Michael Bay has the camera panning around someone standing all dramatically with perfect gold/orange dusk light (no matter the time of day, lol.)

Time of day? I think he does it even if the setting is not of this earth (Armageddon, Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen, etc.)...lol

 

[Khev]

 

[Wor-Gar]

Lol your last 2 posts especially the critical components describe michael bay movies too a T. Its one reason why he is a terrible director, all style over substance. He is constantly moving the camera.

Yes, I was almost going to mention the major offenders like Bay and Renny Harlin, etc... The guys that crane over an entire city and then push in to some perfectly posed actor doing nothing but looking steely. In Bay's case, an American flag will be waving somewhere in the background.

 

[jye4ever]

I always love when Michael Bay has the camera panning around someone standing all dramatically with perfect gold/orange dusk light (no matter the time of day, lol.)

Time of day? I think he does it even if the setting is not of this earth (Armageddon, Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen, etc.)...lol

lol

Production Call Sheet:

Location: Deep Space

Character: Lost abandoned astronaut confidently looking off into the abyss

Conditions: Luscious golden California rays bouncing off radiant smooth shimmering skin


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[JAWS]

Yeah, RW may not be a masterpiece is the truest sense of the word, but that film had a major impact on cinema -- one that filmmakers immediately adopted even if audiences may not have been aware of. If you watch RW, you'll notice almost every shot is moving in some way. Except for a few static POV shots and an establishing shot here and there -- and even those shots have movement within the frame -- most of the time the camera is moving; pushing in, pulling out, panning, craning, always in motion like the movie around it. Sounds silly but that was a very innovative technique back in 1980 that we take for granted now.

That technique caught on, and not just for action movies -- nowadays, even slow movies have to have the camera moving, often for no damn reason.

I think of TRW as more of a "Classic" then a masterpiece.. Not sure what the huge difference is but in my mind there is one

 

[Wor-Gar]

Dirty Harry is a classic... but its not a masterpiece.

 

[JAWS]

Dirty Harry is a classic... but its not a masterpiece.

Yep... Perfect example.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think the filmmaker (George Miller) is a master filmmaker who turned a low budget actioner into a Classic... but RW is probably not a masterpiece in the true sense. Its not studied in Film School unless you're studying Miller. Though, many of his cinematic tricks and his camera style in that film was adopted by everyone.

 

[e30ernest]

I think of TRW as more of a "Classic" then a masterpiece.. Not sure what the huge difference is but in my mind there is one

Getting lost with the acronyms again.... what is TRW?

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Getting lost with the acronyms again.... what is TRW?

Mad Max 2: The road warrior. I love the movie but i am staying out of this masterpiece discussion. Having fun just reading what others are saying

 

[e30ernest]

Mad Max 2: The road warrior. I love the movie but i am staying out of this masterpiece discussion.

Thanks! I will admit, I never got to watch the original Mad Max movies. I must add them to my list of to watch films.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Thanks! I will admit, I never got to watch the original Mad Max movies. I must add them to my list of to watch films.

Oh man you have to watch the first two, but id skip the third. The 2nd one is my favorite though. I loved that movie when i was a kid still do it was up there with the ot for me as most watched movies. Mel Gibson before he lost his mind

 

[jal76]

I think the filmmaker (George Miller) is a master filmmaker who turned a low budget actioner into a Classic... but RW is probably not a masterpiece in the true sense. Its not studied in Film School unless you're studying Miller. Though, many of his cinematic tricks and his camera style in that film was adopted by everyone.

I have a feeling that in 20 years it will be taught in film schools...Edgar Wright already declared that it was a personal ?film school? for him before making Baby Driver.
I could fill this thread with more anecdotal information about the impact that Fury Road has made on other influential filmmakers from Quentin Tarantino to Steven Soderbergh, to Robert Rodriguez (the guy that made everyone?s precious Alita Battle Angel agrees that it is a masterpiece).
The film is still too new to assess its true impact but trust me it is on the way.
To those declaring that it lost money, which it did not...it was profitable, explain why it is getting a spin off film. Not a fifth Mad Max but a sequel that does not even include Max.
Wor Gar and I agree that it was great, we just differ on HOW great. I feel genuine sympathy though for the folks who watched this one soar right over their heads...I would not wish that on anyone.

 

[jal76]

I think of TRW as more of a "Classic" then a masterpiece.. Not sure what the huge difference is but in my mind there is one

Can we also agree then that ANH and ESB are classics and definitely not masterpieces either?
Maybe ?masterpieces? within the Star Wars series...or what passes for a masterpiece in that...but not a masterpiece in cinema or filmmaking in general of course.
No one here really thinks that Wampas and Jawas belong in the same conversation with Ingmar Bergman, Robert Altman, or Andrei Tarkovsky right?

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I have a feeling that in 20 years it will be taught in film schools...Edgar Wright already declared that it was a personal ?film school? for him before making Baby Driver.
I could fill this thread with more anecdotal information about the impact that Fury Road has made on other influential filmmakers from Quentin Tarantino to Steven Soderbergh, to Robert Rodriguez (the guy that made everyone?s precious Alita Battle Angel agrees that it is a masterpiece).
The film is still too new to assess its true impact but trust me it is on the way.
To those declaring that it lost money, which it did not...it was profitable, explain why it is getting a spin off film. Not a fifth Mad Max but a sequel that does not even include Max.
Wor Gar and I agree that it was great, we just differ on HOW great. I feel genuine sympathy though for the folks who watched this one soar right over their heads...I would not wish that on anyone.

I guess your cinematic palate is far more sophisticated than the rest of us simpletons. Clearly an action packed romp across the desert with a handful of playboy models is an art form everyone else is just too dimwitted to fully appreciate.

In addition to your keen taste in classic film, apparently you also are privy to secret financial information the rest of the internets are not aware of...see below

"Although it is the highest-grossing Mad Max film, Fury Road was a box office disappointment, grossing just $375 million worldwide against its $150-185 million budget, incurring overall losses of up to $40 million."

 

[Wor-Gar]

Wor Gar and I agree that it was great, we just differ on HOW great.

Wait -- I was talking about RW not FR.