Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So . . . I take it you wouldn't be willing to give TLJ a second viewing and another chance?

In all seriousness, I do hate that the movie divided the fans. I wish it hadn't, but what's done is done. I still hold out hope that with time and hindsight, some of the fans who resent TLJ will come to at least tolerate the direction it took. Not likely, I know; but as a longtime SW fan who appreciates TLJ, I'm still going to cling to a shred of hope that more people will get on board with it after the Skywalker Saga ends next December. Some of what happened in TLJ will have a better payoff after Ep9.

I don't really resent any of you guys/fans that liked TLJ. If anything I'm envious of you that did...

Of course I wanted to like it. Never ever thought I would dislike it as much as I did. TFA was enjoyable. It wasn't great, but it did no harm to the SW franchise and I was curious where it was headed. TLJ slammed it into a brick wall. I can't even watch TFA anymore. And as of now I won't watch EPIX. There's nothing in it for me.

At least, for now, I still have the MCU to look forward too.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don't really resent any of you guys/fans that liked TLJ. If anything I'm envious of you that did...

Of course I wanted to like it. Never ever thought I would dislike it as much as I did. TFA was enjoyable. It wasn't great, but it did no harm to the SW franchise and I was curious where it was headed. TLJ slammed it into a brick wall. I can't even watch TFA anymore. And as of now I won't watch EPIX. There's nothing in it for me.

At least, for now, I still have the MCU to look forward too.

That's what I don't get. How did TLJ, but not TFA, harm the franchise?

Maybe someone has explained their position on this before but I've forgotten.

It was TFA that lazily recycled the Empire under a new name, the Rebel Alliance under a new name, the Death Star under a new name. It was TFA which determined that everything achieved in the Original Trilogy didn't last and it all went to ***t again. It was TFA that split the OT heroes apart and brought tragedy to their lives. It was TFA that put Luke on that island doing nothing while Han got killed. It was TFA that gave us little miss perfect etc etc. This all made for a crappy foundation if you ask me and no great loss even if it did go further down the hole.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That's what I don't get. How did TLJ, but not TFA, harm the franchise?

Maybe someone has explained their position on this before but I've forgotten.

It was TFA that lazily recycled the Empire under a new name, the Rebel Alliance under a new name, the Death Star under a new name. It was TFA which determined that everything achieved in the Original Trilogy didn't last and it all went to ***t again. It was TFA that split the OT heroes apart and brought tragedy to their lives. It was TFA that put Luke on that island doing nothing while Han got killed. It was TFA that gave us little miss perfect etc etc. This all made for a crappy foundation if you ask me and no great loss even if it did go further down the hole.

I'm not much of a defender of TFA, but it needed to set up a lot. 30 years between ROTJ and TFA. Yes TFA was a safe rehash, but the new ST still had the potential to be new and fresh. I guess JJ felt the need to make it seem familiar yet different. In TFA we didn't know much about the characters, their origins, or even the First Order. Just like in ANH. It was all a mystery yet to be revealed. Very little was divulged other than who the new players would be going forward. It wasn't done particularly well, but it could've had legs. After seeing TFA I was still curious.

It's TLJ that ruined the potential of it all. Johnson needed to tell HIS story, rather than a single chapter in a new SW trilogy. He ruined all the groundwork JJ tried to lay for future installments. All of a sudden the First Order went from a threat to dominating the Galaxy and The New Republic. Starkiller base (the Death Star III) blew up 5 planets. What about the other hundreds/thousand that made up the New Republic?? Such bad writing and plot progression. It was a movie about the day after, rather than a few years passed like between ANH and ESB. Instead of answers, it gave us confusion. It proved there was no plan or outline for the ST. It showed they were winging it as they went along. Too many creative people with input and control as to where the ST was heading. NO one person(s) in control. The biggest possible mistake.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah, I just can't bring myself to watch it again. At least in the foreseeable future. I must let the deep wounds and scars heal first...

As those with Netflix are aware it is available to stream, and I still have no desire to see it. I asked my son if he wanted to give it another go, and he said abruptly "NO". Even seeing it on Netflix makes me gag, yet everytime I see RO in the list of movies I want to press play and watch it again..

Maybe some day. IF EPIX turns out well and wins back many fans, maybe. There's just so much more bad than good in TLJ for me. There is literally nothing in it that makes me want to experience it again. Even the Yoda scene made me cringe. Yoda looked terrible to me. The only scene I can think of I'd watch over and over would be Luke on the Falcon and R2 playing the ANH Leia hologram. I think that was the only time during the whole movie I smiled.

So if you hear EpIX is ....well Epic...(lousy pun) you would see that even if it built off what TFA And TLJ began?




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[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So if you hear EpIX is ....well Epic...(lousy pun) you would see that even if it built off what TFA And TLJ began?

Eventually, sure.

As of now, I have no intention of seeing EPIX in the Theater. I can't predict how I will feel next December and whether or not I decide to go. But I certainly won't be there opening preview night on Thursday like I was for EPI, EPII, EPIII, TFA, & RO. TLJ was actually the 1st SW movie I didn't see Thursday night. From the trailers I already felt I was gonna have mixed feelings about it. But never expected what I saw. Can't remember if I saw TLJ Saturday or Sunday opening weekend.

If fan response is great for EPIX, and the trailers and previews look ok, and the reviews and majority of fans like it, I may eventually see it like I did with Solo. I wasn't planning on seeing Solo either until my son decided he wanted to go. We went like 2 weeks after it released on a Sunday to an early morning matinee @ $5/ticket.

Regardless, I will eventually see EPIX. Even if it is panned and underwhelms and has as much controversy as TLJ caused. It will be mostly out of curiosity how the Skywalker legacy ends, to see Leia die, or for a good laugh. Out of 11 movies, this isn't going to be the one I refuse to see, EVER... It would be like watching Harry Potter and not liking The Deathly Hollows Part 1. I would still eventually see Part 2 to finish the story after having seen the previous 7 movies. Good or bad. Fans are crazy like that...

 

[Mad Old Lu]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I love SW and have been loving the sequels and Solo, but nothing can motivate me to go see them on opening night or even opening weekend. I HATE crowds and I HATE rowdy audiences. If it were up to me I could and would wait several weeks before going to see them in the theaters, just to have a nice, quiet, small audience where I can immerse myself in the story. The only reason I have ended up going to see them within the first week or two is because the fracking movies get spoiled left and right even in the most unsuspecting places! RO K2's death was spoiled at work that Monday because a co worker mentioned that his daughter liked the movie except when the big robot died! Not to mention people online and on forums that will post spoilers even in threads that have nothing to do with the movie! I hate that I'm pressured into having to watch a movie early on. Even watching a new movie within like 2 weeks is still crowded.

But none of that means that my love for SW is any less than those who go opening night. In fact, I'd say that my wanting to watch the movie in peace and quiet shows just how much I do love the franchise since I want my first viewing to be perfect and I can enjoy it without distractions.

That goes for Marvel movies as well.

Okay. Rant over.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I love SW and have been loving the sequels and Solo, but nothing can motivate me to go see them on opening night or even opening weekend. I HATE crowds and I HATE rowdy audiences. If it were up to me I could and would wait several weeks before going to see them in the theaters, just to have a nice, quiet, small audience where I can immerse myself in the story. The only reason I have ended up going to see them within the first week or two is because the fracking movies get spoiled left and right even in the most unsuspecting places! RO K2's death was spoiled at work that Monday because a co worker mentioned that his daughter liked the movie except when the big robot died! Not to mention people online and on forums that will post spoilers even in threads that have nothing to do with the movie! I hate that I'm pressured into having to watch a movie early on. Even watching a new movie within like 2 weeks is still crowded.

But none of that means that my love for SW is any less than those who go opening night. In fact, I'd say that my wanting to watch the movie in peace and quiet shows just how much I do love the franchise since I want my first viewing to be perfect and I can enjoy it without distractions.

That goes for Marvel movies as well.

Okay. Rant over.

Lol well one way to avoid that **** on opening day is to go to the 3 or 4pm show, just leave work a bit early thats what I do. If you're talking about Thursday night release well then ya **** that ****.. those 12 am shows are only for teenagers or adults without jobs and yes the earlier shows on that day are way too ****ing crowded. If being a die hard star wars fan means being a jobless bum I can wait one day lol

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I love SW and have been loving the sequels and Solo, but nothing can motivate me to go see them on opening night or even opening weekend. I HATE crowds and I HATE rowdy audiences. If it were up to me I could and would wait several weeks before going to see them in the theaters, just to have a nice, quiet, small audience where I can immerse myself in the story. The only reason I have ended up going to see them within the first week or two is because the fracking movies get spoiled left and right even in the most unsuspecting places! RO K2's death was spoiled at work that Monday because a co worker mentioned that his daughter liked the movie except when the big robot died! Not to mention people online and on forums that will post spoilers even in threads that have nothing to do with the movie! I hate that I'm pressured into having to watch a movie early on. Even watching a new movie within like 2 weeks is still crowded.

But none of that means that my love for SW is any less than those who go opening night. In fact, I'd say that my wanting to watch the movie in peace and quiet shows just how much I do love the franchise since I want my first viewing to be perfect and I can enjoy it without distractions.

That goes for Marvel movies as well.

Okay. Rant over.

Jeez lol

I RUN towards a packed theater audience of like minded individuals and the best way to get that is first show opening night.

For me it’s not a distraction like you say it’s a core component of sharing what I love with others.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yuck! For me it's the biggest distraction when watching movies at the theatre. I always sit in the way back as far away from everyone as I possibly can, especially when it's packed with 300lb sweaty dorks who never shut up and cough everywhere without covering their mouths.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don't mind the crowds or the cheering. It can be fun at times.

What gets me is the constant munching on food, talking during the quietest scenes in the movie, people kicking the back of your chair, the constant getting up to pee cause you've had 3 refills on your soda and downed 2 buckets of popcorn, parents who bring their little kids and let them cry rather than getting up and removing them from the theater, and of course checking their ****ing cell phone every 10 minutes. These are the things that pisses me off...

People today have no manners nor consideration for those around them. And I always seem to have the worst surround me.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So far all the opening nights at my local theater have been very polite and manageable. I prefer to see films during a weekday , so there are no little kids.

But with SW I go opening night. The theater here is packed with diehards who wont stand for any of that behavior.

I guess I do remember when I lived in big city, all the weirdos and jerks that seem to get into an opening night with nothing better to do than ruin it for people.

I remember on opening night of LOTR TTT, some guy had a running joke commentary , and only he must have thought he was funny....

They stopped the film and ejected him after the second person complained....


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[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

A friend and fellow SW nut is a big advocate of an iPad close-up to the face giving the same-size viewing aspect as a cinema screen.

But of course it lacks the same atmosphere, for better or worse.

 

[Python]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What gets me is the constant munching on food

I haven't been to a cinema in over a decade. Sadly I simply can't tolerate the sound of eating. I wish I could, as a movie lover it's painful having to wait an extra three months or so to see the latest movie while spoilers are everywhere. I can't understand why people can't go 90 minutes without shoveling food down them. Or why cinemas insist on selling the loudest foods. If I had the money, I'd open my own cinema and we'd have certain nights that are 100% food free, I suspect there's plenty of people who would pay extra for a ticket under those circumstances, I would!

However I still find it strange for people to spend so much time on a film they hate.

Because It's the current movie and talking point in a franchise they adore?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It’s not the audience that bothers me it’s the endless commercials before a movie that bothers me.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ads for tampons and toothbrushes over here in Ireland. What relevance do they have to the film?

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It’s not the audience that bothers me it’s the endless commercials before a movie that bothers me.

Only a matter of time before they interrupt the film. Wouldn't surprise me

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Because It's the current movie and talking point in a franchise they adore?

True, but no amount of complaining, bitching or hand ringing is going to change TLJ.


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[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The theaters are gonna bring back intermissions like they had at Drive Ins. A 15 minute pause/interlude to bombard us with more ad's and trailers, for potty breaks, food fill ups (they'll have people going up and down the aisles selling popcorn and snacks like in sports stadiums), and checking those all important e-mails, tweets, facebook updates and instagram feeds. Gotta stay connected after all. It's too unreasonable to ask people to not be plugged in for 2 hours or so. So medieval.

Ahhhh.... The good ol days....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

My biggest pet peeve are the people with the crinkly wrappers that they have to **** with for half the movie.

Otherwise I find that people are more emboldened to be disruptive when it's a smaller crowd. No one dares to turn on their phone or talk over the characters opening night at a SW film (at least in my experience.)

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah, I just can't bring myself to watch it again. At least in the foreseeable future. I must let the deep wounds and scars heal first...

As those with Netflix are aware it is available to stream, and I still have no desire to see it. I asked my son if he wanted to give it another go, and he said abruptly "NO". Even seeing it on Netflix makes me gag, yet everytime I see RO in the list of movies I want to press play and watch it again..

Maybe some day. IF EPIX turns out well and wins back many fans, maybe. There's just so much more bad than good in TLJ for me. There is literally nothing in it that makes me want to experience it again. Even the Yoda scene made me cringe. Yoda looked terrible to me. The only scene I can think of I'd watch over and over would be Luke on the Falcon and R2 playing the ANH Leia hologram. I think that was the only time during the whole movie I smiled.

Man I do feel for you. Not being snarky or condescending either. First time I saw TLJ I felt gutted. As if somebody had taken my beloved SW away from me and now officially said "this is not yours anymore, I'm giving it to the next generation". I hated so much of it, and felt betrayed by one of my favorite filmmakers Rian Johnson.
That lasted the entire next day. I looked at my SW collectibles and wanted to box them all up and sell them. I saw it 2 days early and couldn't even express to other people besides my best friend how badly I hated it. But I went opening night again with my girlfriend and a few other friends. For some reason, it just seemed to click me me what Johnson did and why. He cleansed the palette so JJ can do something wildly different with 9. Luke's arc really stuck with me and while I hated his Force projecting the first time the second time I saw why and how that was the coolest most Jedi way of confronting his nephew.
Only thing I still cannot stand is Canto Bight, those being the scenes that ruin the movie for me. But with the fan edit which removed CB along with DJ, I no longer have to see that again. Once that was removed, what remained has become my 3rd favorite SW film (after Empire and A New Hope). I hope you give it a shot again, or at least track down the fan edit and give that a shot.
I do completely understand where you come from and hope you know I am not trying to diss you in any way. My oldest brother still will not own TLJ or watch it again. He is 50 and has a SW room in his house. He defended the prequels every step of the way because nobody bashed George Lucas around him! But TLJ he and I will go around and around about and as much as I have explained why I love it so much, he will not watch it again. He passed on Solo in the theater. He feels done and gutted. So I get your point of view even if I do not share it.


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