Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Jar Jar and Rose would have a twitter war fo sho.

Riding around on those ostrich things with cattle prods? That would get the Gungans four out of five Rose frowny faces.

I can't even imagine the **** fit Rose would have had watching what Han and Luke did to their tauntauns, lol.

If Han were with Rose on Canto Bight:

Rose: "I wish I could drive my fist through this entire town."

Han: "Then I guess they'll see you in hell." *leaves*
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It's funny to see which aspects of the PT people give a pass to, I see all this praise for ROTS and I think it might be the absolute worst of the bunch because the things that it screwed up were the parts of the PT that actually mattered. TPM is almost a side quest story of random queens being rescued and pod race competitions being won so for me it's less harm, less foul.

Exactly my reason for putting ROTS paddy last in my rankings of the films. People like it for the things that take place in it, which are, theoretically, more interesting and more important than the things that take place in TPM and AOTC. I hate it for the manner in which it ruins all those things in one way or another. It was the last chance to fix things and it just had all the same problems as the other two, souring the most important content.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Exactly my reason for putting ROTS paddy last in my rankings of the films. People like it for the things that take place in it, which are, theoretically, more interesting and more important than the things that take place in TPM and AOTC. I hate it for the manner in which it ruins all those things in one way or another. It was the last chance to fix things and it just had all the same problems as the other two, souring the most important content.

Exactly, I can handle silly characters saying something silly ("We must act quickwy to diswupt deir cumoonications down dare"/"Weesa going home!") but the GREATEST VILLAIN IN THE HISTORY OF CINEMA BEING SILLY??? ("NOOOOOO") Unforgivable.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

4t minute Pod Race less destructive than 2 minutes of adult Anakin kneeling :lecture

:exactly: :goodpost:

I guess for whatever reason the same part of me that can accept wacky GotG/Thor Ragnarok antics in the same cinematic universe as IM1 and TWS allows me to accept TPM and the Holiday Special, lol.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

:exactly: :goodpost:

I guess for whatever reason the same part of me that can accept wacky GotG/Thor Ragnarok antics in the same cinematic universe as IM1 and TWS allows me to accept TPM and the Holiday Special, lol.

Actually I should’ve used the NOOO scene one second of that is nuke strength lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Riding around on those ostrich things with cattle prods? That would get the Gungans four out of five Rose frowny faces.

I can't even imagine the **** fit Rose would have had watching what Han and Luke did to their tauntauns, lol.

If Han were with Rose on Canto Bight:

Rose: "I wish I could drive my fist through this entire town."

Han: "Then I guess they'll see you in hell." *leaves*

:lol

Rose would have stunned Threepio and Artoo as they tried to escape the Tantive IV.

/end saga
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

:lol

Rose would have stunned Threepio and Artoo as they tried to escape the Tantive IV.

/end saga

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:lol :rotfl

Holy crap is there anything that she *doesn't* **** up?? At least Jar Jar's antics actually took out some Droidekas and an actual Separatist Tank and allowed the humans and Gungans to become allies. But Rose will stun you if you try to rescue your friends or attack you if you try to sacrifice yourself for them. FFS, lol.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

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:lol :rotfl

Holy crap is there anything that she *doesn't* **** up?? At least Jar Jar's antics actually took out some Droidekas and an actual Separatist Tank and allowed the humans and Gungans to become allies. But Rose will stun you if you try to rescue your friends or attack you if you try to sacrifice yourself for them. FFS, lol.

Yeah no.....

If I wanted Buster Keaton antics to undo a droid battle army I would....well watch Buster or maybe Scooby Doo....

Thats about how I feel about Jar Jar....he was pretty much Scooby Doo and Shaggy rolled into one....

ZOINKS!!! Poo Doo! Mesa a big racial stereotype......

Slapstick has no place in SW.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

For whatever reason I've always had a bit of a soft spot for TPM that I can't really put my finger on. I just like the overall aesthetic (which was totally abandoned in AOTC and ROTS which feel more like "Cool World" movies to me) and unique vibe that it has, despite all the silliness. As I've said before I can handle silly Star Wars as long as it isn't "ruining" great things from the OT. Now a case can be made that Jake Lloyd ruins Vader and that midichlorians ruin the Force but to me Jar Jar and wacky pod racers don't ruin anything because they're brand new creations. Other aspects are just so ridiculous (Nute Gunray, Battle Droids) that I find them genuinely hilarious as opposed to rage inducing, lol.

As for Lloyd and the midichlorians I guess I'm somehow able to see TPM as "half legit SW movie/half cheesy 90's blockbuster" with Lloyd and midichlorians falling under the latter and begrudgingly forgiven/ignored (mostly ignored.) Anyway every criticism ever leveled against TPM is basically correct so I'd never debate anyone on those topics, all I can say is that I still like enough of the film despite those elements, lol.

*shrugs*

It's funny to see which aspects of the PT people give a pass to, I see all this praise for ROTS and I think it might be the absolute worst of the bunch because the things that it screwed up were the parts of the PT that actually mattered. TPM is almost a side quest story of random queens being rescued and pod race competitions being won so for me it's less harm, less foul.

It's interesting, I don't really think of the prequels, or ROTS specifically, as "ruining" anything as far as the story of Vader per se. I'm pretty open minded as to what the movie makers want the story to say. I mean, the broadest of broad strokes for the prequel stories are fine. But the execution is what's horrible about them. The actual storytelling, the characters, the character motivations and choices. That's what ruins the movies for me. I'm not sure what specifically you feel gets ruined in the narrative, so I'm curious about that. But for me, I'm sure I would probably be ok with it, but feel the way it plays out was probably very dumb.


:lol:lol:lol Outstanding!!



:exactly: THANK YOU, Mad Old Lu! Very well stated! And I completely agree with you.

I enjoy reading different SW opinions, but sometimes things get posted in a thread like this that I find so bafflingly unrelatable that I can't possibly take the thought seriously. The suggestion that Jar Jar was a better character than Rose is one such opinion.

Jar Jar is not only the worst character in Star Wars, but quite possibly the worst character in the history of movies. That's because Jar Jar single-handedly undermined the entire tone of what had been the most successful movie franchise of all time. What had been a universally-enjoyed space-based fantasy saga that appealed to adults who wanted fun escapism which didn't insult their intelligence, got turned into something that anyone with a brain more developed than a 10-year-old's would find insultingly compromised.

Putting Jar Jar in the fourth SW movie would be like making a fourth Godfather movie, trying to appeal to the same audience who were fans of the first three, but sticking Pee Wee Herman in it. Phantom Menace was a movie that on one-hand tried to pass itself off as having pseudo-intellectual themes like all of the political intrigue and covert corruption of an entire system of government by way of manipulation to gain more power. But that same movie decided to have an over-the-top buffoonish cartoon character get more screen time than anyone else in the film. Jar Jar made it impossible to regard TPM as anything other than a regrettable re-direction of a once-proud franchise. It became a joke. Star Wars became something for people to ridicule, largely because of Jar Jar. So, I can't overstate how bad that character was.

In contrast, Rose annoys me because people like her in real life annoy me. But that's the thing: people like her actually exist, and she doesn't undermine the general tone and atmospherics of either the film or (more importantly) the entire franchise. I roll my eyes at Rose the same way I roll my eyes at self-righteously naive people like her in real life. But her presence in the film doesn't insult my intelligence. Her presence in the film doesn't completely alter and derail the tone and intended general appeal of the entire saga. Jar Jar did! The awful joke that was Jar Jar, simply to cater to younger (or dumber) audiences, did damage to the franchise that Rose couldn't possibly begin to.

Rose was annoying. But Jar Jar was destructively ill-conceived, deeply regrettable, and very unfortunate. He was Pee Wee Herman in the Godfather.

Thanks and great post! That is an excellent point about Rose feeling like an actual person that exists. Personally I had no problem with her. I actually kinda like her plucky spirit and I also can't disagree with what she's peddling. I don't mind that it's a bit naive or idealistic because I think that hopeful voice is needed. She's also shedding light in a new side of the galaxy that we hadn't seen before.

And of course I agree about Jar Jar!
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah no.....

If I wanted Buster Keaton antics to undo a droid battle army I would....well watch Buster or maybe Scooby Doo....

Thats about how I feel about Jar Jar....he was pretty much Scooby Doo and Shaggy rolled into one....

ZOINKS!!! Poo Doo! Mesa a big racial stereotype......

Slapstick has no place in SW.

You seem to be assuming that because I say that Jar Jar > Rose Tico that it's the same as saying Jar Jar = Good character. It isn't. I just think it's funny that even that spectacular doofus was a greater benefit to his allies than Rose was to hers.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It's interesting, I don't really think of the prequels, or ROTS specifically, as "ruining" anything as far as the story of Vader per se. I'm pretty open minded as to what the movie makers want the story to say. I mean, the broadest of broad strokes for the prequel stories are fine. But the execution is what's horrible about them. The actual storytelling, the characters, the character motivations and choices. That's what ruins the movies for me. I'm not sure what specifically you feel gets ruined in the narrative, so I'm curious about that.

I've gone off in detail on how I think that the PT taints or ruins things from the OT so I'm not sure that you really want to open that can of worms, lol. But things like Vader being ruined by how he's portrayed by Hayden in AOTC and ROTS (imagine if after the BvS warehouse fight Batman removed his cowl to reveal that he's Paulie Shore, there's just no coming back from that, if the guy outside the suit is a loser that forever taints him even when he's in the suit), Fett is ruined by turning from a mysterious ex-commando gun for hire into a lame daddy's boy poseur who wears and uses NOTHING except what daddy handed to him (pathetic), Old Ben and Leia become pathological liars for absolutely no reason at all, Yoda and Sidious become less cool by needing lightsabers (which for me didn't sync with how they carried themselves in the OT) and so on.

Yes TPM is *so* stupid in parts, and Jake Lloyd does compete with Hayden for the title of "worst young Anakin" but I guess at the end of the day I'm willing to accept one mulligan from the PT but not three.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You seem to be assuming that because I say that Jar Jar > Rose Tico that it's the same as saying Jar Jar = Good character. It isn't. I just think it's funny that even that spectacular doofus was a greater benefit to his allies than Rose was to hers.

Yeah, exactly. Jar Jar wasn't just comic relief for the audience and the kiddies, he was even made fun of in the movie. No one took Jar Jar serious. He was a joke to his own Gungan people and to all those around him in EPI. Everyone made fun of him. Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Padme, even little Ani knew he was pathetic. As did 3PO & R2.

But at least Jar Jar served a purpose. He clumsily and awkwardly fell in with the Jedi and Padme. Was able to bring the Queen before his people to create an alliance, which helped defeat the Trade Federations presence on Naboo.

Scary, and NO I am not a fan of Jar Jar, but he was way more important than sweet little Rose Tico. What the hell did she even do? She stopped Finn from leaving and then she freed some horses and brought back a traitor/double crosser from a totally useless side story who gave them up to the First Order and helped destroy The Resistance.

Take Jar Jar out of EPI and we have a very differently unfolding story. Take Rose out of TLJ and we have a better paced story with no Canto Bight, and perhaps Finn actually becomes the hero he deserved to be by sacrificing himself to save the Resistance..

Jar Jar still sucks, but he is way better than Rose.... :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rose is the true sith lord that's why she tried to kill finn at the end (before he could kill himself haha) preventing him from destroying the First order gun. She used her telekinetic force powers on kylo which caused him to kill snoke. Now she will make quick work of Kylo, Hux and their ragtag bunch of imbeciles. Then our beloved hero rey will confront her, Darth Rose will force choke the **** out of her for a bit, nuke her with some lightning, then release her for some play time. She allows Rey to engage her lightsaber to duel with her, but the battle will not last long. Darth rose will use the force to turn off Reys saber and strike her down with ease. Rey instantly turns into a force ghost and says "hey why didn't I think of that, that’s not fair this supposed to be my movie". To which rose will say " I was always the real Mary Sue err I mean chosen one, your whiteness was no match for my minority powers..."
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The only thing that could improve Fett’s death would be if his legs caught fire when blasts off the sail barge and he just goes down in flames in the background while the skiff fight continues.
 
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