Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Reported.

lol

But seriously, come on now, I could just as easily post pics of Linda Hamilton and Sigourney Weaver all dolled up alongside their Terminator and ALIENS characters.

Sarah Connor had good reason for her look. All she did really is build muscle and gear up. Sigourney just looked like Sigourney in the 1980s. They didn't go out of their way to hide her beauty.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Was the Brie Larson never smiling complaint part of the whole anti-feminism thing? Maybe I'm forgetting how that was brought up but is that not just a criticism of the actress's range?

By you no but may I direct you to other posts on the prior page

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah take that khev

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

She was just butch Marine (and a well written character), not a political statement.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Sarah Connor had good reason for her look. All she did really is build muscle and gear up. Sigourney just looked like Sigourney in the 1980s. They didn't go out of their way to hide her beauty.

So that's your thesis? That Felicity Jones "hid her beauty" with dirt on her face that she received while in battle but Linda Hamilton, who was *less* battle hardened than Jyn Erso (Jyn actually fought alongside Saw Gerrera for 20 years compared to Sarah Connor simply training for 10) had a "good reason" for becoming extremely muscular?

I suppose that Rey falling into a pool and then emerging with a completely different (yet perfect) salon hairdo and Qi'ra looking more glamorous in battle than most girls do at prom are also examples of actresses hiding their beauty in the name of third wave feminism? Or are you merely cherry-picking the loosest of examples to support your assumptions?

I mean I'm well aware that almost all films are made by politically liberal storytellers and I see nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade but let's not get carried away with the over-reaching exaggerations.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

With Jyn Erso its the ugly hair style. It's not just looks. Her character was flat. The standard "empowered woman", which just comes across as a *****.

It's only a problem when the politics trumps characterization and the story. The has to be more to the character than just being an "empowered woman". The politics has to serve the story. Like in the Predator, as bad as it was, the environmental theme served the story. A lot of people don't know this but global warming has been a theme since Predator 2.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So if a female soldier has a hair-style that you deem "not pretty enough" then it's because the film's politics trump the story. Got it.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So if a female soldier has a hair-style that you deem "not pretty enough" then it's because the film's politics trump the story. Got it.

When it's an obvious political statement it's just tackie. And did you not read what I said about characterization. Its not just looks. Its about bad writing.

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

When its an obvious political statement its just tackie. And did you not read what I said about characterization. Its not just looks. Its about bad writing.

I did but it didn't hold water so I didn't bother addressing it. Ellen Ripley who takes on an entire Alien hive by herself is an example of "good writing" but Jyn Erso pressing a button to send a transmission while the boys do all the fighting is an example of a politically charged "empowered woman?" Come on, don't be silly.

And no I'm not triggered that you don't like RO (though how DARE you post pics of Rose and Jyn in the same post, lol) but your claims about what's political and what's artistic are just so wildly inconsistent and not really defensible IMO.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

She's a generic character. Nothing to her except for her archetype.

The director of “Rogue One” wanted to make Jyn neither female or male and we dig it

https://hellogiggles.com/reviews-coverage/movies/rogue-one-jyn-female/

With Rogue One, the Star Wars Franchise Gets Even More Feminist

Jyn is a feminist heroine who is uniquely at home within the feminism of 2016.

https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...ars-franchise-gets-even-more-feminist/510944/

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

She's a generic character. Nothing to her except for her archetype.

The director of “Rogue One” wanted to make Jyn neither female or male and we dig it

https://hellogiggles.com/reviews-coverage/movies/rogue-one-jyn-female/

You get your opinions on Star Wars films from a site called "Hello Giggles?"

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Holy crap I just lol at a restaurant thanks Khev lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You get your opinions on Star Wars films from a site called "Hello Giggles?"

When you got nothing attack the source.

But leading up to the movie’s premiere, Rogue One director Gareth Edwards instead touted Jyn as a gender-neutral hero, written as “neither male nor female, as just a person.”

https://www.slate.com/blogs/browbea...the_women_in_rogue_one_a_star_wars_story.html

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"Consider the source" is actually a wise phrase to keep in mind when discussing these topics.

Try backing up any of your claims with what's actually on screen.

Both the camera and the script recognized the traits of Jyn's gender. Do you you think that RO would have given us the most gratuitous (and spectacular) ass shot in the history of the Saga if Jyn were a dude? Get real. They knew damn well that she wasn't genderless, lol.

Behavior-wise she was emotional, maternal, and nurturing, traits that are predominantly feminine and lacking either mostly or completely in almost all the male heroes thus far. Directors say PR-friendly BS all the time, the only time it's worth giving weight to is when it actually is consistent with what they put on film.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Eye of the beholder. I agree with the director.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Eye of the beholder. I agree with the director.

Me too.

"Obviously we have a female lead but I didn't want to view it that way because the typical thing to do is to go overly into a badass stereotype of a tough woman that no one relates to," he argued.

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a816244/felicity-jones-on-rogue-one-female-lead/

Edwards says he chose Jones because she wasn’t “so kick-ass and shields-up that the audience couldn’t empathize with her.”

“There were a lot of people who could learn how to fight and beat people up and do the physical side of it. For me, the most interesting thing is when there’s a crack in the armor, when you can glimpse the vulnerability in someone,” the director says. “You can just hang the camera on Felicity and not say a word, and you can feel her having a million different thoughts. You get interested in what she’s thinking and what’s going on. She can be very observant within a scene. It doesn’t always have to be about her directly, but we’re experiencing it through her. She just has that knack for pulling you in.”

https://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/.../?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

He literally clarifies point blank that the reason he didn't want to view her as a "female lead" is because of the tendency to go crazy by making her a stereotypical "tough woman" which he didn't think would be relatable. Try looking into the full context of his comments and the film itself instead of cherry-picking one isolated click-bait line.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ahh yes that Jyn butt shot was a nice addition to the SW mythos