Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

Well if it’s not obvious by now Favreau will probably be taking over he’s obviously being groomed for it

 

[Khev]

Favreau, Russos, Markus, McFeely, etc, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[ajp4mgs]

Imagine if after IW the fanbase was divided, the Russos were routinely mocking and attacking fans on Twitter, CM bombed, and then Feige said that audiences are suffering from Marvel fatigue and that after AEG they'll wait three years before starting Phase 4.

How excited would anyone be for AEG?

But that's where SW is under Kennedy. TLJ of all films should have been the great uniter, not divider, so that the entire fanbase was at a fever pitch heading into TROS to see how the Saga will finally end. There's no excuse for TROS not being Star Wars Endgame.

I'll be there opening weekend of course hoping for the best and that I'll feel like I'm seeing the conclusion that George might have given us in an alternate timeline way back when. But looking at where SW is pre-TROS compared to the MCU pre-AEG is an absolute embarrassment.

So, what if TROS has a huge opening weekend and ends up making somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 billion total? I know you think that's impossible, but just humor my delusional self for this one hypothetical. How would the idea of an "embarrassing" state of SW hold up in that case?

 

[Khev]

So, what if TROS has a huge opening weekend and ends up making somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 billion total? I know you think that's impossible, but just humor my delusional self for this one hypothetical. How would the idea of an "embarrassing" state of SW hold up in that case?

Well then I probably would have to wonder if they had actually had a shot at $3 billion and blew it by how they demonized half their own fanbase but either way if they earn $2 billion then I will definitely count that as a respectable "success."

 

[ajp4mgs]

Well then I probably would have to wonder if they had actually had a shot at $3 billion and blew it by how they demonized half their own fanbase but either way if they earn $2 billion then I will definitely count that as a respectable "success."

So you'll wonder if $2 billion could've been $3 billion even though RO and TLJ both came nowhere near that? RO was critically well-received, and following on the record-setting box office of TFA. I know it's not connected to the "Episode" sequels, but it's still SW. And TLJ opening weekend did not match TFA's opening, *before* the backlash would even have anything to do with it.

 

[Khev]

So you'll wonder if $2 billion could've been $3 billion even though RO and TLJ both came nowhere near that? RO was critically well-received, and following on the record-setting box office of TFA. I know it's not connected to the "Episode" sequels, but it's still SW. And TLJ opening weekend did not match TFA's opening, *before* the backlash would even have anything to do with it.

Correct but people show up for endings if they're invested in the buildup and have goodwill toward the characters and franchise. CW didn't make $300 million it's opening weekend nor top $2 billion but look at IW/AEG. And if you remember Marvel played some misdirection with IW and it's "it all has built to this" marketing campaign. Since I had avoided all spoilers the year leading up to it I fully expected IW to be the finale and not basically "Endgame Part I." And I know many movie goers were thrown for a loop when Thanos won and there was still another film coming the next year.

I went to IW expecting to see pretty much what we got in AEG, I assumed Top Tier perma-deaths and the Wakanda battle basically ending like AEG with the heroes defeating Thanos before he could use the Stones. So Marvel kind of snuck in two "end of the line" events for the price of one. Seeing AEG's performance and remembering TFA's success I could have easily seen TROS passing $3 billion especially with a Christmas release and lean two hour run time.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Correct but people show up for endings if they're invested in the buildup and have goodwill toward the characters and franchise. CW didn't make $300 million it's opening weekend nor top $2 billion but look at IW/AEG. And if you remember Marvel played some misdirection with IW and it's "it all has built to this" marketing campaign. Since I had avoided all spoilers the year leading up to it I fully expected IW to be the finale and not basically "Endgame Part I." And I know many movie goers were thrown for a loop when Thanos won and there was still another film coming the next year.

I went to IW expecting to see pretty much what we got in AEG, I assumed Top Tier perma-deaths and the Wakanda battle basically ending like AEG with the heroes defeating Thanos before he could use the Stones. So Marvel kind of snuck in two "end of the line" events for the price of one. Seeing AEG's performance and remembering TFA's success I could have easily seen TROS passing $3 billion especially with a Christmas release and lean two hour run time.

I get that, Khev; but what I'm saying is that the measure of goodwill toward the characters and franchise could already be interpreted from the box office of RO and the opening weekend of TLJ.

It's not like MCU's 22-film buildup. There were always only *3* films in the ST. If fans were so super stoked about the characters and franchise following TFA to eventually turn TROS into a $3 billion movie, it would've been reflected in TLJ's opening weekend. It's not like fans would suddenly be disinterested in seeing the follow-up to a film they were super pumped about, and only be excited to go back to the theaters for the conclusion. There's only ONE movie in between.

Some fans came away from TFA (well before the TLJ backlash and war with the fanbase) complaining about Rey being a Mary Sue, Kylo being a whiner, and the whole plot being a lazy rehash of ANH. What I'm getting at is that there's no evidence whatsoever that TROS was ever going to be on a trajectory for anything approaching $3 billion. We know this from the RO box office (franchise goodwill), and from the opening weekend take for TLJ (character enthusiasm).

 

[darthviper107]

The one thing though that Star Wars has going for it that Endgame doesn't is repeat viewings

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wonder which will end worse: Game of Thrones or The ST Star Wars?

Star Wars actually has a chance to shine against GoT this year. Who'd have thought? But I have faith that KK won't let us down by finishing up with a great movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Grace even posted a video today defending TLJ saying that GOT is the real dumpster fire of the 2 lol

Man i’m happy that I invested in the MCU and not GOT.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Nothing ends well.

Especially on television.

 

[Khev]

Nothing ends well.

Infinity Saga did though.

Or if you prefer "The Stan Lee Cameo Saga," lol.

 

[rushmore223]

Grace even posted a video today defending TLJ saying that GOT is the real dumpster fire of the 2 lol

Man i’m happy that I invested in the MCU and not GOT.

I think GOT suffers much from what TLJ does, story expectations not being met. There are some valid criticisms, like the season being too short to develop certain story arcs properly, or at least, more believably. To call it a dumpster fire is absurd.

Star Wars and GOT suffer from a relatively new phenomenon, butt hurt fans + massive overuse of hyperbole + social media attention whoring = a climate that no work of fiction with a fanbase can appease. It just isn't possible nowadays.
Except Marvel, I guess, but even EG has plenty of detractors on here.

To deprive yourself of something as amazing as GOT has been, because of this hyper-scrutiny, is honestly sad, cause you're really missing out.


Edit - butt hurt (as one word) gets censored, but whoring is ok? Seriously?


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[jye4ever]

Jeremy Jahns said that GOT has been poorly written starting with S5 and that 8 is no different.

 

[rushmore223]

Jeremy Jahns said that GOT has been poorly written starting with S5 and that 8 is no different.

Well, I don't know who he is, but I disagree. Ive enjoyed the books and the show, they are now their own entity and need to be accepted as such, or else there is just no way you'll derive any pleasure from them.

I'm sure eventually, if the books are ever finished, there will be some who will complain that they liked certain show elements better.

Anyways, that's all people do anymore now, complain. We live in a age where people just want to tear others work down.

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[Khev]

Star Wars and GOT suffer from a relatively new phenomenon, butt hurt fans + massive overuse of hyperbole + social media attention whoring = a climate that no work of fiction with a fanbase can appease. It just isn't possible nowadays.
Except Marvel, I guess, but even EG has plenty of detractors on here.

Hulk fans are the worst.

 

[rushmore223]

Hulk fans are the worst.

[emoji38]

I'll admit, I was disappointed in Hulk 2.0, but I guess I am able to put those things aside and judge the film by the story they wanted to tell, and not the story I wanted them to tell.

I don't think Robert Ebert, for instance, ever derided a film because it didn't meet up to the story he had made in his own head

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[jye4ever]

GOT and Hulk walk into a bar, Bartender asks them what they would be drinking this fine morning.

Both point to 2 drunk people sitting in the corner and say “same as what they’re having”.

Bartender says “oh that bad hunh, ok fine 2 Kennedy-Rian specials coming right up lol

 

[rushmore223]

On a side note people were talking about re shoots earlier, like what Gilroy went through and the directors of Han Solo spin off went through, I wish there had been that kind of scrutiny for the prequel trilogy.

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