Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

The PT was complete trash. I'm saying the ST is what lies beneath it in the dumpster.

Yes I read you, lol. I disagree, but I read you.

 

[DiFabio]

I don’t care about George Lucas’ sequel trilogy either. Probably would have been just as bad.

Should have ended in 2005. Don’t sell it, just let it die.



He’s been lying and using misdirection since the 80s all in the name of shekles.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

All lies aside, Lucas has beautiful hair.

 

[Khev]

All lies aside, Lucas has beautiful hair.

That should have been the tagline on the PT DVD covers, lol.

 

[Getter Dragon]

I think he was just bitter in that interview that the entire planet despised his favorite creation Jar Jar Binks, so he was like no more Star Wars for you.

If only I had a time machine, I would return to 2005 and say, "It's OK George. Rose Tico is coming and you won't take the blame for creating the worst SW character in history."

 

[The Buffinator]

You mean like "Syfo-Dias," the unexplained conception of Anakin, Padme inexplicably dying for no reason, completed abandoned character motivations like Anakin wanting to see all the stars and come back to free Tatooine slaves, Qui Gon learning how to become one with the Force *after* his death, and a ton of other half-baked story elements? I seriously doubt that so on that yes we disagree.

I sometimes wonder what would have transpired if mid-70's GL had decided to do these movies in chronological order starting with Episode 1. If he didn't come up with a better plot than what he gave us in 1999, 20th Century Fox would have probably fired him halfway through production (if he even made it that far). That said, it might be fun to speculate about who would have been cast back then for The Phantom Menace. How about Gene Hackman as Senator Palpatine, Roy Scheider as Qui-Gon and John Travolta as Obi-Wan? I'm imagining him complaining to Qui-Gon in full sweathog mode - "Awwww Master Q, why do I always have to stay behind and guard the ship?. That's so unfair.".

 

[Khev]

I sometimes wonder what would have transpired if mid-70's GL had decided to do these movies in chronological order starting with Episode 1. If he didn't come up with a better plot than what he gave us in 1999, 20th Century Fox would have probably fired him halfway through production (if he even made it that far). That said, it might be fun to speculate about who would have been cast back then for The Phantom Menace. How about Gene Hackman as Senator Palpatine, Roy Scheider as Qui-Gon and John Travolta as Obi-Wan? I'm imagining him complaining to Qui-Gon in full sweathog mode - "Awwww Master Q, why do I always have to stay behind and guard the ship?. That's so unfair.".

 

[DiFabio]

The early drafts for Star Wars in the 70s were weird ****, weirder than the finished prequels even. This stuff was always in his head.

It was the McQuarrie artwork and concepts that sold the idea of the movie.

 

[SvenDokki]

Three wrongs don’t make a right.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Yeah, that original script was all over the place. Its clear that as Lucas gained more power, he had fewer people forcing him to focus and he was free to let his mind go wild.

Its known as the McCallum Effect and there is no treatment.

Gary Kurtz is severely missed.

 

[Getter Dragon]

Gary Kurtz is severely missed.

Kurtz + Lucas = Star Wars. Everything else is trash.

 

[Khev]

Kurtz + Lucas = the best Star Wars. Everything else is not as good.

Fixed.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, that original script was all over the place. Its clear that as Lucas gained more power, he had fewer people forcing him to focus and he was free to let his mind go wild.

Its known as the McCallum Effect and there is no treatment.

Gary Kurtz is severely missed.

Also having a limited budget forced people to get more creative.

When you have an unlimited budget with infinite amounts of reshoots, look at what you get, you get the prequel and sequel trilogies. SO MUCH ****ing money poured into these things and something like Rise of Skywalker is the best they can come up with? It’s insulting.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Kurtz + Lucas = Star Wars films.

Lucas + Kenner = SW toys 1983-2005

 

[Khev]

Kurtz + Lucas = Star Wars films.

Lucas + Kenner = SW toys 1983-2005

There's definitely some truth to that, lol. Yub nub.

But I'll happily enjoy RO, Solo, Mando and the ST while you guys pine for the "good old days" of the PT.

 

[ZE_501]

Yeah Driver's acting and charisma was off the charts in this film, both as Kylo and "Ben."

His Ben persona was *really* impressive. You just knew Han Solo was his dad.

Keep in mind that sidelining Luke in favor of the new female Jedi (originally called "Kira") was done by Michael Arndt under George's watch. He was the one who famously said "anytime I tried to find a spot to introduce Luke into the story he just seemed to take over the movie." It was George's idea to have him in self-imposed exile on the island.[...]

Yup. I told you I was trying to sketch out my own ST? That's where I run into problems. I can keep Luke out of the first film but by episode 8 I'm like...well what do I do with this guy so that any of the other characters still matter without making him look bad?

My other big issue comes with the implications of Finn defecting, although I believe I may have found a decent way around that, at least.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Amazing that a $9M movie from 1977 or a $29M movie from 1980 stills tops all successive and modern SW movies.

It does prove the point that its not the money that makes the movie.

 

[Khev]

Yup. I told you I was trying to sketch out my own ST? That's where I run into problems. I can keep Luke out of the first film but by episode 8 I'm like...well what do I do with this guy so that any of the other characters still matter without making him look bad?

My initial thought was to have him like the MCU Odin. A super powerful character (moreso than all the main heroes they'd introduce) but having him kept largely separated from the young adventurers due to the administrative duties of running a Jedi Order, galactic politics and so on. I suppose not too unlike Yoda in the PT. Before TLJ I assumed that they were leading up to Rey and Kylo having a final showdown overlapping with Luke facing Snoke (again not too unlike the PT with Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling on Mustafar while the older characters face each other separately.

 

[Wor-Gar]

but having him kept largely separated from the young adventurers due to the administrative duties of running a Jedi Order, galactic politics and so on.

And taxation of trade routes, don't forget those. People love that.

 

[Khev]

Ha ha, yes of course, lol.