Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[a-dev]

TROS is only barely going to pass Rogue One, both domestically and worldwide, and end up with almost $100m less than TLJ domestically and around $200m less worldwide.

The totals for the ST will likely be:

TFA - $248m opening/$936m domestic/$2B worldwide,
TLJ - $220m opening/$620m domestic/$1.3B worldwide,
TROS - $177m opening/$530m domestic/$1.1B worldwide

(Incredibly, TROS is only just barely going to pass Joker's worldwide total - which no one would have believed six months ago)

TROS is basically going to be slightly above RO across the board:

RO - $155m opening/$523m domestic/$1.05B worldwide

As many had paralleled TLJ's performance to ESB (as a normal "middle trilogy film drop"), here is a domestic comparison of the OT initial releases, even if yeah, a VERY different BO era to today:

ANH: $307m
ESB: $209m
ROTJ: $253m

But if that OT/ST parallel were to be correct, and the TFA/TLJ drop was a normal phenomenon, then TROS should have grossed $1.65B worldwide as the "end of the trilogy" climax (though TROS was sold, and to some degree written, as both end of trilogy AND end of the 9 film saga, which should have in theory increased its appeal.)

My feeling all along was that SW always relies heavily on what came before: TFA was huge because it was a return to heavy OT-esque story/visuals after the trauma of the PT, and after a SW 10 year hiatus, and the film delivered big on nostalgia (copying ANH and mining OT warm-fuzzies) TLJ did pretty well because its predecessor TFA was popular. And TROS hasn't lived up to that OT parallel (where the third film lands halfway between the first and second films' BO) because TLJ was so incredibly divisive.

So that ESB/TLJ BO parallel (and some even tried to argue there was a "backlash" against ESB also) was garbage all along.

 

[DiFabio]

Someone add Leia dying because she used too much energy to distract Kylo (or something), Palpatine isn’t really defeated and Lando allowing his daughter to get abducted and not being there for her for 30 years.

Also poor R2 being replaced by BB-8, Rev-9 and DIO, Chewbacca dying on the transport and C-3PO losing all of his memories, oh wait.

 

[ZE_501]

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Someone add Leia dying because she used too much energy to distract Kylo (or something), Palpatine?s not really being defeated and Lando allowing his daughter to get abducted and not being there for her for 30 years.

Also Chewbacca dying on the transport and C-3PO losing all of his memories, oh wait.

This guy gets it.

 

[JAWS]

So Jye... How much do you drink before movie showings?? I cant imagine going to the movies even with a little buzz... I think I would find anything boring especially when I would unavoidably get sleepy after it wore off.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Someone add Leia dying because she used too much energy to distract Kylo (or something), Palpatine isn’t really defeated and Lando allowing his daughter to get abducted and not being there for her for 30 years.

Also poor R2 being replaced by BB-8, Rev-9 and DIO, Chewbacca dying on the transport and C-3PO losing all of his memories, oh wait.

And to add insult to injury, a Palpatine took over the Skywalker surename, since Luke was apparently shooting blanks.

 

[DiFabio]

If you look at the Saga as a 9 film odyssey, Luke really comes off as a pansy that had no bearing on the overall story. He should have stayed on Tatooine as a farmer. That would have been a more fulfilling life for him, especially if he found a cute girl at the Toshi station.

Now we finally know who Yoda was talking about when he told Ben about “the other”, it was Palpatine’s granddaughter, Rey.

 

[ZE_501]

So Jye... How much do you drink before movie showings?? I cant imagine going to the movies even with a little buzz... I think I would find anything boring especially when I would unavoidably get sleepy after it wore off.

Good question. I'll usually smash a pint beforehand, but for Endgame I was drinking Old-Fashioneds in the theatre -- think I had two.

 

[jye4ever]

So Jye... How much do you drink before movie showings?? I cant imagine going to the movies even with a little buzz... I think I would find anything boring especially when I would unavoidably get sleepy after it wore off.

Not as much as my wife lol

I was seriously bored during the core mission of the movie.

The ST is populated with really bland boring secondary characters.

Then came the really lame space battle climax and Palpatine being defeated by simply crossing 2 blades.

I still loved:

Rey/Kylo Pasana confrontation.

Rey/Kylo ocean lightsaber battle.

Leia/Kylo

Kylo/Han

C3PO humor

Palpatine shooting lightning into the atmosphere




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[a-dev]

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Reminds me of something like the depressing addendum delivered by Richard Dreyfuss at the end of Stand By Me. Yeah my good friend I've been telling you about, he gets knifed to death later. Roll credits.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

If you look at the Saga as a 9 film odyssey, Luke really comes off as a pansy that had no bearing on the overall story. He should have stayed on Tatooine as a farmer. That would have been a more fulfilling life for him, especially if he found a cute girl at the Toshi station.

Things would be very different for Luke and everyone else for that matter, had he just given the droids to the storm troopers when they stop by his house looking for them. His family wouldn't have been murdered, and maybe they would have been given some kind of reward for helping the empire. Luke lives a happy normal life. Obi Wan probably dies of old age, Leia and Han never meet, never have Kylo, and in the end Rey will most likely still come to existence and will still take down his grandfather.

Even the cantina guy would have kept his arm had Luke never gotten involved.

 

[ZE_501]

Things would be very different for him and everyone else had he just given the droids to the storm troopers when they stopped by his house. His family wouldn't have been murdered, [...]

Sure they would've. The Empire doesn't like loose ends.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Sure they would've. The Empire doesn't like loose ends.

No, not if Luke was there to deal with the Storm Troopers instead uncle Owen.

In one of the EU novels, it was Vader that gave the order to kill Uncle Owen when he was given their names.

“Lord Vader,” said one of the sandtroopers, adjusting a control on his helmet so that only Vader could hear his voice. “The Jawas sold a protocol droid and an astromech to these moisture farmers, but both droids are gone.”

Moisture farmers? Intrigued, Vader examined the holograms of the kneeling couple and said, “The farmers’ names?”

“Owen and Beru Lars, sir,” the sandtrooper responded. “They say they don’t know where the droids are, but it looks like a landspeeder is missing from their garage.”
Owen and Beru, Vader recalled...

“Tell Mr. and Mrs. Lars that they seem to have trouble keeping protocol droids on their property.”

Not certain if he had heard correctly, the sandtrooper said, “Sir?”

“Then you may extend to them every courtesy that you showed the Jawas before you continue your search. Establish checkpoints to detain any droids entering Mos Espa or Mos Eisley spaceports. And one more thing.”

“Yes, Sir?”

“Do not stop transmitting until I break the connection.”

“Understood,” said the sandtrooper.

Vader watched the sandtroopers carry out his orders on their helpless victims. He found the sight of rising flames — even holograms of flames burning millions of light years away — to be most satisfying.

They were killed for two reasons, they didn't have the droids, which probably upset Vader. And two, because of their identity. Vader remembered them. Now imagine if Vader figures out that his son is alive and willing to give the droids that contains valuable information to the empire. A reward is a given. Not to mention, he's not going to kill his own son.

 

[ZE_501]

No, not if Luke was there to deal with the Storm Troopers instead uncle Owen.

In one of the EU novels, it was Vader that gave the order to kill Uncle Owen when he was given their names.



They were killed for two reasons, they didn't have the droids, which probably upset Vader. And two, because of their identity. Vader remembered them. Now imagine if Vader figures out that his son is alive and willing to give the droids that contains valuable information to the empire. A reward is a given. Not to mention, he's not going to kill his own son.

Huh...recognizing his son throws a different spin on it. I was coming at it from the angle that the stormtroopers would have standing orders to execute anyone who had come into contact with the droids, given that they were carrying classified information.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Huh...recognizing his son throws a different spin on it. I was coming at it from the angle that the stormtroopers would have standing orders to execute anyone who had come into contact with the droids, given that they were carrying classified information.

Well, since the EU is no longer canon, you can look at it that way.

There is another possible problem if Vader were to find Luke. He might have killed his family at a later time and make it look like an accident, then try to lure Luke to join the empire and serve the Emperor. So maybe Luke's fate was inevitable no matter what.

 

[DiFabio]

The Empire didn’t kill Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen.

Obi-Wan did. Think about it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The Empire didn’t kill Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen.

Obi-Wan did. Think about it.

Oh dear.

All in the name of "the force."

Yoda saw the whole thing from the swamp.

 

[DiFabio]

Yoda saw the whole thing from the swamp.

Yoda was the one that suggested the hit. He also advocated for the death of the Jawas so it appeared to be more inconspicuous to Luke.

In fact, if TLJ is anything to go by, perhaps Yoda used force projected lighting to fry the Jawas, Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yoda was the one that suggested the hit. He also advocated for the death of the Jawas so it was less inconspicuous.

In fact, if TLJ is anything to go by, perhaps Yoda used force projected lighting to fry the Jawas, Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen?

Obi Wan - "I just can't do it, master Yoda. That was not part of the deal."

Yoda - "Alter the deal I have. Right about you, Qui Gon was. Weak and pathetic, you are. Yeesssssss! Care of this, I will take. Herh Herh Herh Herh!"

Obi Wan - "What have I done?"

Obi Wan commits suicide later in the film since he can't live with his actions.

 

[DiFabio]

Even if you disregard the prequels as canon, what Obi-Wan and Yoda did to Luke was really manipulative. They're never upfront or transparent with him about anything. They lie to his face about his father, about his family, everything. Then to add insult to injury, they admit to him that they hid him and watched him for years from the shadows. They really just use him as a pawn to eliminate Vader and the Emperor. If something had happened to him, they wouldn't have cared, they would have just had another force zealot waiting in the wings to replace him. Honestly, Obi-Wan and Yoda are really no different than Vader and the Emperor when you think about it. They both support him murdering his father too. That's not very Jedi-like.

The better ending to Star Wars would have been if Luke had just said **** it in Empire, jumped off the catwalk and didn't get sucked into that tube conveniently and instead, died. That's an honorable death and a better ending to what we ended up getting in subsequent films. Certainly a better ending for him. Going out on your own terms, telling your would be father and the Empire to go **** themselves is a lot better than just dying on a rock, just because you're tired.

 

[TaliBane]

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Written by a bigoted neckbeard troll resistant to change and diversity who wants their heroes to always effortlessly triumph.

The Empire didn?t kill Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen.

Obi-Wan did. Think about it.

Didn't they just trace the droids from the Jawas to Lars homestead, so it would have happened regardless of Luke going to Ben? Or do you mean the PT storyline (which I kinda ignore)?

Would love to see that stormie interrogation of the Jawas to get that info.